‘Risk of conflict is real’ – NATO chief

[Battlion25]

Suez can easily be closed in many ways. Easiest way is to:

1) ask the eyptian dictator to close it.
2) Change the dictator running Egypt.
3) bomb it


Russia would never let any Chinese division roll across Russia.

This is ridiculous and sounds like something taken out of cartoon and not real life.. What do you think this is cartoon where you touch a bottom and someone is just replaced.. Why go to war with Egypt at the point of another conflict it doesn't make sense. How can Israel take over the suez canal what do you think they just gonna send over the Avengers. Egypt has fully Mechanized and professional armed forces much larger then Israel and 100m+ population just a very unnecessary choice at the time of conflict which won't even cross their minds to engage at that point where they are fighting at multiple fronts already.

why wouldn't Russia let in China roll in division into East Europe if there lives depend on it ofcourse they will if the Chinese are willing ofcourse

 

[Titanium100]

Thats just laughable. NATO would destroy any attacking army with such speed and efficiency, you would find it scary. Unfortunately, NATO resistance will not kick in until Russians get to Germany. Unfortunately NATO does not care that much about Ukraine or even Poland.

Ukraine is now very well armed and its doubtful Russia will be able to take more than half of Ukraine. And even then it will suffer a massive cost.

Agree that NATO could rollover potentially Russia but with China's involvement it could be a complete different story and I am from Europe they do care about Poland because Europe is small by territory unlike Asia example from the Belarus border it only takes an hour drive before you get to the German border hence basically if you are in Poland you are in germany.

Also knowing the Europeans very well myself or should I say the modern day europeans they have zero chance against chinese hordes swarming their defensive lines they could be overwhelmed and majority of them have not seen war for almost 100 years they could be shell-shocked and don't fancy their chances at all whatsoever against a chinese led-offensive into East Europe this will be to much for them.

Example the Americans would have been better equipped to deal with it mentally but not the Europeans hence the collapse will happen quickly if you field modern day french men against hordes of chinese forces or freaking bulgarians against Chinese hordes it would be a joke..

There is just no way in hell Europe could withstand a chinese offensive push this is just a simple ground reality

 

[Steppe Wolff]

Thats just laughable. NATO would destroy any attacking army with such speed and efficiency, you would find it scary. Unfortunately, NATO resistance will not kick in until Russians get to Germany. Unfortunately NATO does not care that much about Ukraine or even Poland.

Ukraine is now very well armed and its doubtful Russia will be able to take more than half of Ukraine. And even then it will suffer a massive cost.

Ukraine is well armed now but still they will be steamrolled by Russian Offensive if that happens. And IMO, any Russian offensive wouldn’t go further than Russian majority areas otherwise they would have to bear a massive cost.

 

[thetutle]

Ukraine is well armed now but still they will be steamrolled by Russian Offensive if that happens. And IMO, any Russian offensive wouldn’t go further than Russian majority areas otherwise they would have to bear a massive cost.

Well thats the problem, they have taken the Russian majority areas already. The only Russian majority area being Crimea. Its now a part fo Russia.

So now they want to presumably take areas where Russian are 5% or maybe 10%?

Or maybe they will just take individual neighbourhoods or streets where Russians are a majority. And there a russian streets everywhere in the country. In the capital there are Russian majority streets. as well as on the far western borders.

There is a Russian restaurant on Poland. Will they take that too?

 

[Beny Karachun]

Well thats the problem, they have taken the Russian majority areas already. The only Russian majority area being Crimea. Its now a part fo Russia.

So now they want to presumably take areas where Russian are 5% or maybe 10%?

Or maybe they will just take individual neighbourhoods or streets where Russians are a majority. And there a russian streets everywhere in the country. In the capital there are Russian majority streets. as well as on the far western borders.

There is a Russian restaurant on Poland. Will they take that too?

They will take over the world because there's a Rusaian embassy in every country lmfao

 

[ARCH٤R]

Suez can easily be closed in many ways. Easiest way is to:

1) ask the eyptian dictator to close it.
2) Change the dictator running Egypt.
3) bomb it
4) ask Israel to take over.

Russia would never let any Chinese division roll across Russia.

“Ask the Egyptian dictator to close it.”
If it was anything the west learned (Germany, France, US mainly) it’s that Egypt has absolutely no problem buying X, Y and Z from Russia, hence basically providing further funds for its projects. They better reach such conclusion, only then would they start considering learning that imposing Israel’s QME on Egypt wasn’t a good choice...
Egypt refuses? Spend 3-4 days at least planning a Naval/Aerial Offensive or some sort of a “Normandy landing” remake and risk inner protests like during the Iraq interventions now with COVID spreading like lightening worldwide.

“Change the dictator running Egypt” what are you a fanboy? You can’t replace a dictator with anyone but considerably respected leaders, has no competition. If you however succeed, you’ll have a leader who will either support Tehran with Sunni power meaning even troublesome days in Iraq and Syria - or another Islamist who will function as a catalyst for violence in European countries with considerable Islamic organizations.

“bomb it”, you’re going to attempt bombing the Canal? What are you assisting the Suez Canal Authority in Canal expansions or something?
How about you make a naval fleet enter the Suez normally, then make the frigates (and possibly the carrier) get stuck sideways like Ever Given?
I’d like to hear your thoughts about that.

“Ask Israel to take over”
Whoever made this look oversimplified needs to increase his brain cells count.

Some people just drive me either crazy or back to my warfare sources, perhaps I’m the unrealistic one around.

@Gomig-21 you got something to add bud?

Anyways, I do believe China is far from the scene and any of the fore coming scenarios, China finds the EU countries a better friend than the US when it comes to trade and economy, the US posed restrictions yet not the EU.
The only exception is if France deeply supports India, in this case China will make sure that siding with Russia is clearly understood as a response to France and this would probably make the NATO fragile and disunited.

 

[Battlion25]

There is just no way in hell Europe could withstand a chinese offensive push this is just a simple ground reality

China is Mongol empire 2.0... They just don't wanna miscalculate but they don't really give a shxt about doing such a push when the timing is right..

Ask yourself this question? Why build so much logistics and armaments if you ain't prepared for a long azz expansion campaigns?

Why go to that length? They are producing weapons like a massive chicken farm laying millions of eggs daily.. They are the perfect storm waiting to happen from the east or should I say the second storm from the east waiting to happen again. Sometimes history repeats itself

 

[MH.Yang]

1, China has 57 million veterans and reservists. According to Chinese law, the govt has the right to re recruit these people into the army.

2, What can we get if we help Russia defeat Europe? A stronger neighbor than the USA?

3, Will the Russians allow millions of foreign troops to fight on their own land? If Chinese, we would not agree.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Russia has no chance in a conventional war against NATO.

So nuclear threshold will be much lower.

RIP Europe.

 

[thetutle]

1, China has 57 million veterans and reservists. According to Chinese law, the govt has the right to re recruit these people into the army.

Wow, thats quite a few people. But EU has 400 million, Any country of that size including America could conscript 50 or even more million people if necessary.

2, What can we get if we help Russia defeat Europe? A stronger neighbor than the USA?

This is a good point. There is no way China will help Russia dominate Europe. Russia already holds 1 million sq kilometres of Chinese land taken during the opium wars. Noone wants a Russian superpower except maybe half the Russian population. The other half want Russia to be a normal European country.

They will take over the world because there's a Rusaian embassy in every country lmfao

This is their plan I am sure. It was during the Cold War.

How do the Israelis with a Russian background feel about Russian expansionism? Do they have any loyalty to Russia?

 

[thetutle]

“Ask the Egyptian dictator to close it.”
If it was anything the west learned (Germany, France, US mainly) it’s that Egypt has absolutely no problem buying X, Y and Z from Russia, hence basically providing further funds for its projects. They better reach such conclusion, only then would they start considering learning that imposing Israel’s QME on Egypt wasn’t a good choice...
Egypt refuses? Spend 3-4 days at least planning a Naval/Aerial Offensive or some sort of a “Normandy landing” remake and risk inner protests like during the Iraq interventions now with COVID spreading like lightening worldwide.

Egypt dictator will do it if West asked nicely.

“Change the dictator running Egypt” what are you a fanboy? You can’t replace a dictator with anyone but considerably respected leaders, has no competition. If you however succeed, you’ll have a leader who will either support Tehran with Sunni power meaning even troublesome days in Iraq and Syria - or another Islamist who will function as a catalyst for violence in European countries with considerable Islamic organizations.

They could just replace him with his cousin or something. He will even look the same, noone would even notice. The same way they put him in pace, they could replace him. and he knows it.

“bomb it”, you’re going to attempt bombing the Canal? What are you assisting the Suez Canal Authority in Canal expansions or something?
How about you make a naval fleet enter the Suez normally, then make the frigates (and possibly the carrier) get stuck sideways like Ever Given?
I’d like to hear your thoughts about that.

Yes, that probably a better and cheaper way.

“Ask Israel to take over”
Whoever made this look oversimplified needs to increase his brain cells count.

It wont be simple, but Israel would do it if asked by UK or US. You think western tax dollars get spent arming and financing Israel for nothing? They would do it regardless of the cost, if they were asked to. Just like last time.

 

[MH.Yang]

Wow, thats quite a few people. But EU has 400 million, Any country of that size including America could conscript 50 or even more million people if necessary.



This is a good point. There is no way China will help Russia dominate Europe. Russia already holds 1 million sq kilometres of Chinese land taken during the opium wars. Noone wants a Russian superpower except maybe half the Russian population. The other half want Russia to be a normal European country.


This is their plan I am sure. It was during the Cold War.

How do the Israelis with a Russian background feel about Russian expansionism? Do they have any loyalty to Russia?

The 57 million veterans division is at all ages, of which the older are clearly not suitable for re recruitment.
However, China's military service law stipulates that the govt has the right to recruit every adult to serve for five years.
Of course, because China has a large population(there are more than 100 million age appropriate personnel, but China maintains only 2 million troops), the Chinese govt usually does not use the right of conscription. Almost all active soldiers are volunteers.

China will not help Russia attack Europe, but will not allow European troops to invade Russia.

China is a trading country, and trade needs peace and stability. Therefore, any war is not in China's interests.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

2, What can we get if we help Russia defeat Europe? A stronger neighbor than the USA?

So China wants a weaker or disintegrated Russia than a stronger Russia?

 

[thetutle]

China will not help Russia attack Europe, but will not allow European troops to invade Russia.

Europe will not attack Russia. Europe is just trying to absorb the leftovers of the Russian empire. Because the are of empire is over and Russia didnt get the massage.

 

[MH.Yang]

So China wants a weaker or disintegrated Russia than a stronger Russia?

No, we want a rich and stable Russia. But it cannot undermine regional peace. Because war will damage the trade environment.
A rich, stable and unified Russia can bring us a huge market and a safe supply of resources. War will destroy the trade environment, which will harm China's interests.