Rising China military force, PLA Army/Navy/Airforce Power pics

[cnleio]

Strange you guys are not using J-11 for Anti Ship roles we are short of money other wise our Navy is interested in J-11 B to use it for Anti Ship role

Naval J-15 will replace J-11.

Coz the production of J-11/ J-11B heavy fighter is slow and most jet engines r AL-31F imported from Russia, WS-10A didn't produce enough to replace AL-31F. Now China only has 250+ J-11/J-11B fighters, still not reach enough numbers for PLAAF.

J-11 production must defer to PLAAF's requirment, then is PLAN. PLAN can wait for J-15 mass production, it's just time problem PLAN will get enough numbers of J-15 fighter within few years.

mass production version J-15 fighter pic, let PLAN keep waiting, it will soon.

 

[cnleio]

PLA Army WZ-9 armed helicopters fleet

PLA Army WZ-19 armed helicopters fleet

 

[cnleio]

PLA Army WZ-19 armed helicopters production line

 

[Genesis]

We have a non-intervention policy so establishing base and power projection abroad go against our non-interference belief. However contrary to popular belief, we are very capable of projecting power abroad if we have to. Just need a little shift in foreign policy. It is however not a strategy we are actively seeking because we don't want get drag into world politics. Though if the world friendly countries are receptive of our emergence, we will take a look into possible future military base deal.

I believe power projection is good and necessary but too much can be a pain.

We must impose some self limits.


If there is anything to be learned from America, it is there is no right answer to a conflict, you are going to piss off someone or everyone. Even staying out of it draws criticism, see Rwanda. Lest we forget, getting suck into a occupation war is also very dangerous.

If we walk down their route we will face their problem, hence, impose some self limits, not so that we can't reach certain places, but make it longer, not the 24 hours American thing. Make it much longer so there is plausible cause for non involvement.


My thinking is, no new bases, just deals of replenishment and mutual defense with certain key position nations in certain cases. The key is mutual, it works the other way too.

American Pakistan has shown that bases that violate sovereignty is bad idea. The age of colonialism is over. New thinking needs to be had.

 

[Pangu]

We have a non-intervention policy so establishing base and power projection abroad go against our non-interference belief. However contrary to popular belief, we are very capable of projecting power abroad if we have to. Just need a little shift in foreign policy. It is however not a strategy we are actively seeking because we don't want get drag into world politics. Though if the world friendly countries are receptive of our emergence, we will take a look into possible future military base deal.

We are still far from projecting any real power. As of now, some western analyst classify China as a "weak France" in terms of power projection. For one we do not have the ability to rapidly deploy ground forces now, but the arrival of Y-20 should solve that somewhat.

 

[Brutas]

We have a non-intervention policy so establishing base and power projection abroad go against our non-interference belief. However contrary to popular belief, we are very capable of projecting power abroad if we have to. Just need a little shift in foreign policy. It is however not a strategy we are actively seeking because we don't want get drag into world politics. Though if the world friendly countries are receptive of our emergence, we will take a look into possible future military base deal.

In my humble opinion that's a self defeating belief/strategy. Again power projection doesn't mean intervention. No nation in today's world can remain neutral in any affairs. One has to take sides even in neutrality. Agreements with strategic nations in South America, Africa & Asia will allow China to deploy at least it's ships across the globe even though they may not intervene in any conflict. The mere presence would send the signal.

Zheng He in 15th century understood it well as he set sail with his massive fleet. Had he continued he might have discovered the new world instead of Columbus(had only three small ships). But China shut it self out. Rest is history.

 

[American Eagle]

Good presentation! AND the Chinese Navy doesn't operate from a "duck pond" as does the Russian Navy.

Next thing we know Russia will want Alaska back!!!

 

[Akasa]

We are still far from projecting any real power. As of now, some western analyst classify China as a "weak France" in terms of power projection. For one we do not have the ability to rapidly deploy ground forces now, but the arrival of Y-20 should solve that somewhat.

China, in purely objective terms, have more projective capability than any country in the world save Russia & the United States.

 

[Europa]

Good presentation! AND the Chinese Navy doesn't operate from a "duck pond" as does the Russian Navy.

Next thing we know Russia will want Alaska back!!!

from RiaNovosti:

Russia to Build Network of Modern Naval Bases in Arctic - Putin

how do you see it?

 

[American Eagle]

from RiaNovosti:

Russia to Build Network of Modern Naval Bases in Arctic - Putin

how do you see it?

I noticed this topic on this site earlier today. It sounds like Putin wants to stake Russia's claim(s) to untapped, undiscovered oil and gas resources up toward the North Pole. It could also become, additionally, a place for virtual prison labor camps, similar to the old Siberian Gullags.

 

[Europa]

I noticed this topic on this site earlier today. It sounds like Putin wants to stake Russia's claim(s) to untapped, undiscovered oil and gas resources up toward the North Pole. It could also become, additionally, a place for virtual prison labor camps, similar to the old Siberian Gullags.

does it in anyway give anyone an upper-hand controlling alaska?

 

[Zarvan]

@Cnelio Please tell more details about Z-10 specially the rockets and Missiles which would be fitted into Z-10 @cnelio

 

[American Eagle]

Your follow up question is very insightful.

Several commecial and contol of "things" come into play, not the least of which are various international airlines overflight air rights to fly across the top of the globe for most direct, most economical flights to Asia, particuarly to Japan and China.

It would take more time than I have tonight to be more specific but yes, in a broad answer of a ball park nature, it could impact international flights from Alaska over the Pole. A rough answer but all I can do tonight. Maybe later in the week bring this up again. I am very busy here right now. Thanks.

 

[cnleio]

I wish there'r all China Z-20 helicopters to replace Mi-8 and Mi-171 ...

 

[Zarvan]

I wish there'r all China Z-20 helicopters to replace Mi-8 and Mi-171 ...

What rockets and Missiles you would fit in Z-10 and is Z-20 a Transport Helicopter

The Harbin Z-20 or Zhi-20 is a medium lift helicopter produced in the Northeast of China. Its first flight was on 23 December 2013.[1] The helicopter has a MTOW in the range of 10 tons,[2] can drop troops at locations of up to 3,000 ft (910 m) altitude, and could operate form the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning.[3] It is thought to be comparable to the US made Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter, the civilian Sikorsky S-70C-2 variant of which has been used by the People's Liberation Army since 1984.[4] Some sources suggest that the Z-20 is in fact a close copy of the Black Hawk[5] and link the design to the Black Hawk that was abandoned by US special forces in Pakistan during the operation to kill Osama bin Laden on 1 May 2011.[6] The sources say that Pakistan allowed Chinese officials to examine the Black Hawk wreckage.[7] However, Aviation Week also points out that although some aspects of the design do appear similar, such as the tail wheel arrangement, there are also marked differences. For example, the Chinese Z-20 has a five blade rotor compared with the Black Hawks' four blades