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Rise of Talibans - MQM sets up committees to guard its areas

if you care about pakistan you wont have said about me commenting about pashtuns, but you are just a dirty hypocrite


I am a Pakhtoon, a Muslim and a Pakistani. If you start throwing abuse at any one of them. I will respond.
But you being a Bhai follower wouldn't understand this. To you everything revolves around MQM and your idol Altaf (the British lackey) so I know it is difficult for you to understand anything else.

well drill that into your skull too that MQM will come to KPK :azn:

We will talk about MQM in K.Pakhtonkhwa when you get there. No point in arguing about some hypothesis of yours.
 
We will talk about MQM in K.Pakhtonkhwa when you get there. No point in arguing about some hypothesis of yours.

its already there wake up :azn:

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People stop arguing. Thats what the taliban wants. Lets not forget right now TTP is the no. 1 enemy. THey have killed thousands of our civilians and thousands of our soldiers. Now if you hate MQM or love MQM, that is not important. What is important is defeating TTP. Now everyone will have to agree that they are the most dangerous disease afflicting our country. So lets put aside our differences and support anyone who is willing to fight the TTP. After that we all can start hating each other's party and start calling each other names.
 
Because you support all these groups against MQM.

I support no group, I am a Pakhtoon, a Muslim and a Pakistani and thats what I support. I don't give a shit about any group. As far MQM is concerned it's the same as TTP in the way the operate (politics by the gun). So of all the groups that you mentioned I hate TTP and MQM the most.


No one do "chori" in his own house. It is hard for me to believe that MQM is involve in all extortion activities in the city. Actually it is the other way around - TTP is generating money by milking Karachi by both hands, one small example is that for every building block (that cost PKR18/block) PKR3/block goes to TTP. This is what is fixed bhatta by them, other ways to generate money is by snatching mobiles/bikes/cars, robberies(houses/banks, etc), bhatta from newly built houses, etc etc.

And the same goes for MQM. Actually TTP is learning it's trade from MQM in Karachi.

I agree, Karachi is every Pakistani's city who believes in Pakistan & it's constitutions. But not for creatures like TTP & their supporters.

We can agree here, just need to add MQM and its worshippers to it.
 
MQM strongholds were already no go areas for pashtuns, for them every pashtun was taliban including ANP people.....in the new situation nothing has changed for MQM.....

just for your information one of the higher up's of afridi tribe in Karachi lives in Block 10 F.B.Area )and have been living there for past 25+ years) .... please do google search of where that is and you might be pleasantly surprised to know that its 5-10 minutes drive from 90 ... also do find out where Shahid Afridi lives ...
 
MQM strongholds were already no go areas for pashtuns, for them every pashtun was taliban including ANP people.....in the new situation nothing has changed for MQM.....

That's a pure lie. I myself live in a MQM stronghold. In fact one of the major stronghold in Karachi. And pushtoon labors, cobblers etc etc are working openly in our area. So this is a complete lie.
 
Unfortunately situation of Karachi (Pak's economic backbone) hasn't been that rosy in the past decades with MQM in control, either.

lanat, what kind of research is that?, you need to start from montessori dude seriously
 
How's the weather over there in US.

And what the weather in US has to do with the internal matters of Pakistan?

Below is my post #60 & your reply post #72 to my post #60 makes no sense at all.

Nice "Research" my dear R&D friend.

On a serious note, obviously it is win-win for a person sitting miles away in Australia with family/friends living comfortably in the cities like Lahore or Islamabad.
 
I support no group, I am a Pakhtoon, a Muslim and a Pakistani and thats what I support. I don't give a shit about any group. As far MQM is concerned it's the same as TTP in the way the operate (politics by the gun). So of all the groups that you mentioned I hate TTP and MQM the most.

You hate anyone that is your personal view & i respect that but you cannot spread lie & BS out of hatred. You are not doing good to anyone by spreading lies but instead you are confusing the already confuse people.

And the same goes for MQM. Actually TTP is learning it's trade from MQM in Karachi.

Please post the source

Here is mine

"The Taliban milk money from their own communities," the businessman said. "They have calculated the worth of every person here."

For instance, on a monthly income of 40,000 rupees ($380), TTP takes a levy of 1,000 rupees. Concentrate blocks made for use in construction—a major business in the Pashtun areas—are sold for 18 rupees each, of which three rupees goes to the Taliban. The businessman said TTP's hold had hardened over the past year.

"The Taliban have complete control of Karachi," said Bashir Jan, a senior member of the Awami National Party, the main secular Pashtun political party in the city. "They can go anywhere and do what they want."

Taliban Tighten Grip on Pakistan's Commercial Hub - WSJ.com

We can agree here, just need to add MQM and its worshippers to it.

You can act as an Ostrich & play ignorant, it won't change the reality.
 
That's a pure lie. I myself live in a MQM stronghold. In fact one of the major stronghold in Karachi. And pushtoon labors, cobblers etc etc are working openly in our area. So this is a complete lie.
But when tension rises, they have to leave the area........
 
@nangyale

Here is another source

Funding
Karachi, with its affluent residents and big business, has proved fertile ground for financing Taliban activities. Police say that Taliban generate funds in Karachi through bank robberies, protection rackets and kidnappings.[29] The police claim that the TTP has robbed Karachi banks of $18 million since 2009.[30] Similarly, kidnappings of high-profile figures and businessmen for ransom is a major source of funding. Kidnap-for-ransom schemes are common among criminal groups in Karachi, yet there are signs that Taliban-affiliated groups are escalating their kidnap-for-ransom activities in the city as well. Many cases of kidnapping are not reported to police, and families decide to pay the ransom money quietly due to fear of repercussions from militants.

In 2011, there were more than 100 recorded kidnap-for-ransom cases in Karachi, a record high.[31] A government adviser in Sindh Province told the BBC, “With local criminals, kidnaps can take six weeks to resolve. With the Taliban it can take six months, or a year. They demand payment in foreign currency and they do their homework quite well.”[32]

In October 2008, prominent Pakistani filmmaker Satish Anand was kidnapped in Karachi. He was eventually released in the Miran Shah area of North Waziristan Agency after his family paid approximately $169,000 for his release—down from an initial ransom demand of $530,000.[33] In 2011, three Punjabi militants kidnapped local Karachi industrialist Riaz Chinoy and demanded approximately $740,000. Although they eventually lowered their demands to $211,000, all three militants were killed after the police raided the home in which they were holding Chinoy.[34]

Prominent figures are not the only targets in kidnap-for-ransom schemes. A tribal elder based in Karachi explained that dozens of truck drivers working in the city have paid billions of rupees in ransom money after militants kidnapped their family members who were living in South Waziristan and Mohmand tribal areas.[35] In these cases, ransom demands range from about $10,000 to $50,000.[36]

In an interview with the BBC, one purported member of the Taliban in Karachi said that the group gets financial help from “university students and college students. Big businessmen also support us and help us. We cannot mention their names. People give freely.”[37] The Taliban member, who claimed to be in the group’s finance department, said “donations” amount to $80,000 per month in the Karachi area.[38] The BBC report suggested that what the Taliban call “donations,” others call “bhatta,” or protection money to prevent Taliban attacks.[39] Truck drivers who transport NATO supplies from Karachi to the border regularly pay protection money to the Taliban to prevent attacks on their convoys or families.

Taliban Recruiting and Fundraising in Karachi | Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

You can google it up for more - whatever source you need, national or international, new or old - everything is there.

But when tension rises, they have to leave the area........

Really? Sorry for my ignorance but kindly post the link to back your claim up.
 
You hate anyone that is your personal view & i respect that but you cannot spread lie & BS out of hatred. You are not doing good to anyone by spreading lies but instead you are confusing the already confuse people.

Its a fact that MQM is a terrorist cum political organization. and I hate this outfit for turning Pakistan's biggest city into a battleground. At the same killing many innocent Pakistanis.
 
You can act as an Ostrich & play ignorant, it won't change the reality.
Here you go enjoy this post about MQM and it's anti-state and criminal activities. I hope it will help you open your eyes and release you from the shackles of MQM worship.

Altaf Hussain, the notorious MQM leader who swapped Pakistan for London
Altaf Hussain lives in London but leads Pakistan's powerful, controversial MQM party, which has millions of supporters. He has also been acccused of inciting murder and violence in his home country
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MQM supporters gather at a rally in Karachi, Pakistan in January 2011. Photograph: Rizwan Tabassum/AFP/Getty Images

Pakistan
's most vibrant, vivacious and popular 24-hour news channel, Geo TV, generally has little difficulty recruiting staff. Its headquarters are in Karachi, Pakistan's so called "city of dreams" – a massive, sprawling conurbation with 20 million residents seeking a better life. And yet there was one vacancy recently that Geo TV could not fill. The channel wanted a lookalike for its popular satirical show, in which actors play the parts of the country's leading politicians. It was a job offering instant stardom and good money. And not a single person in Karachi was willing to do it.

The man Geo TV sought to satirise was Altaf Hussain, the leader of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM). And the reason no one applied was the fear that if Altaf Hussain were unamused by the performance, the actor playing him would be murdered.

Anxiety about the MQM is not restricted to Pakistan. One member of the British House of Lords who has been openly critical of the MQM recently said: "If I went to Karachi now I would be killed." Another peer has similar worries: "This is one issue I don't ask questions on. I have my child to worry about."

The man who has everyone looking over his or her shoulder does not even live in Karachi. For more than 20 years, Altaf Hussain has operated from the north London suburb of Edgware, beyond the reach of Pakistani prosecutors. He is almost completely unknown in the UK: his four-million-plus devoted supporters live thousands of miles away.

It's difficult to know how many murder cases have been registered against Altaf Hussain, but perhaps the most authoritative number was released in 2009 when the then Pakistani president General Pervez Musharraf implemented his National Reconciliation Order, granting most of the country's senior politicians an amnesty. One of the biggest beneficiaries was Hussain, against 72 cases were dropped, including 31 allegations of murder. The MQM rejects all the murder charges lodged against Hussain.

When Pakistan was created in 1947 it had a population of 70 million. As well as the Bengalis in East Pakistan (who split away to form Bangladesh in 1971) there were four main indigenous groups: the Sindhis, the Baloch, the Pashtuns and the Punjabis. Partition brought a new element: Muslims who had fled Hindu-majority India. They were called the Mohajirs and most settled in Karachi, which was then the capital of Pakistan. This is the group represented by the Mohajir Qaumi Movement or, as it's now named, the Muttahida (United) Qaumi Movement or MQM.

At first the Mohajirs fared well. As many had spearheaded the campaign to create the country, they slipped naturally into leadership positions. But their disproportionate influence could never last. By the 70s a political backlash, especially from Punjabis and Sindhis, was in full swing and many Mohajirs found themselves unable to secure jobs or even places in schools and universities. For a group that thought it had the right to govern, it came as a heavy blow. And the first man to exploit the Mohajirs' sense of grievance was Hussain.

In 1988 MQM candidates broke through, and suddenly the party was the third largest in the National Assembly and has dominated Karachi politics ever since. Hussain has periodically flirted with demands for some kind of territorial settlement: "When everyone else had a province," he said in March 1984, "we said the Mohajirs should have one too." But for the most part he has accepted that such a demand is plainly unacceptable to the rest of Pakistan and has restricted himself to demands for greater Mohajir rights within the existing national framework.

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Altaf Hussain with his British passport, granted in 2002.

The MQM's most vocal critic today is cricketer-politician Imran Khan. In 2007, portraying himself as the man who dared to confront even the most entrenched political interests, Khan paid a visit to the Metropolitan police in London to hand over, he claimed, evidence of Hussain's wrongdoing. Apparently unimpressed with the quality of that evidence, the police did not bring any charges and Khan let the issue drop. But in May this year when one of his best-known party activists in Karachi, Zahra Shahid Hussain, was shot down outside her home, Khan openly accused the MQM of her murder. Thousands of his social media-savvy supporters were encouraged to complain to the British police. More than 12,000 did so and the police responded by, for the first time, formally investigating Altaf Hussain's London activities.

There are a number of strands to the Met's inquiries. First there is the issue of whether the MQM leader is using his London base to incite violence in Pakistan. In assessing that, the police have a huge amount of material to sift through, much of it online. At his birthday party in 2009, for example, he regaled his guests with a remark aimed at Pakistan's rich landowners and businessmen: "You've made big allegations against the MQM. If you make those allegations to my face one more time you'll be taking down your measurements and we'll prepare your body bags."

Because he is in London, Hussain addresses rallies in Karachi over the telephone. Crowds gather to listen to his voice through loudspeakers. In one such speech he had this message for TV anchors: "If you don't stop the lies and false allegations that damage our party's reputation, then don't blame me, Altaf Hussain, or the MQM if you get killed by any of my millions of supporters."

Most of his threats have been aimed at people in Pakistan but at least one was directed at the UK journalist Azhar Javaid who asked a question once too often. At a press conference in September 2011 Hussain warned Javaid that his "body bag was ready".

Adressing those whom he accused of denying the Mohajirs their rights, in December 2012, Hussain ranted: "If your father won't give us freedom just listen to this sentence carefully: then we will tear open your father's abdomen. To get our freedom we will not only tear it out of your father's abdomen but yours as well."

Partly because of the difficulty of establishing unchallengeable translations of Hussain's words, it might be months before the police decide whether to recommend a prosecution. In the meantime there is talk of a private prosecution. Long-time MQM critic George Galloway MP recently set up a fund to pay the legal fees of such an initiative.

On two occasions British judges have found that the MQM is a violent organisation. In 2010 a Karachi-based police officer sought asylum in the UK claiming the MQM was threatening to kill him in revenge for his having registered a case against one of its members. The judge, Lord Bannatyne, granted asylum and in his judgment accepted that: "the MQM has killed over 200 police officers who stood up to them in Karachi".

The figure is often cited by the Karachi police themselves, and refers to those officers who were closely involved in Benazir Bhutto's anti-MQM crackdown, Operation Clean-up. It came in 1995, during Bhutto's second government. Unable to rely on the slow, intimidated and corrupt courts, which were always nervous to convict MQM defendants, the security forces resorted to hundreds if not thousands of extrajudicial killings of MQM activists. Many of the police officers responsible have subsequently been murdered. MQM, however, refutes any allegations of inciting violence from London.

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Imran Farooq was stabbed to death outside his flat in north London. Photograph: Metropolitan Police/PA

When asked about these allegations, MQM issued the following statement to the Guardian: "We'd also like to point out here that it is the MQM that has been the worst victim of violence in recent history of the country. The Taliban and other jihadi elements have killed scores of MQM members … "

As well as the incitement investigation, the British police are currently running another MQM-related inquiry. It concerns the September 2010 murder of a senior MQM member, Imran Farooq, who was stabbed to death outside his flat in Green Lane, Edgware. For the UK authorities, his murder crossed a red line. London is open to outsiders – but they have to leave their violent politics back home.

The Counter Terrorism Command have launched a massive and sustained investigation into Farooq's death. In December last year they raided the MQM's Edgware offices where they found substantial thousands of documents. Since most of the material is in Urdu and some, from MQM lawyers, is subject to client privilege, assessing it is extremely time-consuming. But with 12 officers working on the case full-time and a whole range of specialists available to carry out specific tasks when needed, the police are still showing real determination to trace Farooq's killer.

In its statement to the Guardian, the MQM said: "MQM understands that as part of that ongoing investigation, the Metropolitan police have interviewed several hundred people. MQM has assisted the ongoing police investigation whenever it has been requested to do so. A number of MQM party members have also voluntarily offered to be witnesses to assist the ongoing police investigation. Mr Altaf Hussain, MQM's party leader, has not been arrested nor charged with any criminal offence. The police are treating Mr Hussain as one of a large number of potential witnesses in their investigation and not as a suspect."

Right from the start the police raids in the investigation have produced rich material. Shortly after the 2010 murder the police found a significant number of papers stashed in Farooq's home. Some of the documents gave credence to the confessions made by a number of suspected MQM militants in Karachi. Repeatedly, MQM activists there had told the Pakistani authorities they were trained in India. Asked on numerous occasions over a period of several weeks about its relationship with the MQM, Indian government officials have failed to make any statement on the matter. Recent police raids have turned up £150,000 at the party's Edgware's offices and £250,000 at Hussain's house in Mill Hill.

The police say they are making significant progress in the Farooq murder case and have an ever-clearer understanding of what they believe was a conspiracy to kill him. Their investigation, however, is complicated by the fact that the MQM has supporters deep within the Pakistani state who want to protect it, and more cynical actors such as Pakistan's main intelligence agency, the ISI, which want to control it.

However, the recent elections in Pakistan have left the MQM politically weaker and there is a distinct possibility that the government of Nawaz Sharif will be less protective of the MQM than the last administration.

Aware that Farooq's killer or killers may be thousands of miles away and, the British Police believe, back in Pakistan, the UK investigation has focused on who might have ordered the murder. Having promised full co-operation with the British authorities Hussain has also complained that he is the subject of a witch-hunt and a conspiracy.

Recent British police actions have included the arrest (he is now bailed until September) of Altaf Hussain's nephew, Ishtiaq Hussain. The police won't divulge why he was arrested. Intriguingly, Altaf Hussain also let slip that he himself and MQM were being investigated for money laundering. This is now one of the most active elements of the British police's work. The question is: where does all the money seized in the raids and that used to buy the MQM's extensive UK property portfolio come from? In the statement to the Guardian, the MQM deny the laundering allegations.

"It is reiterated here that the party, its leader Mr Altaf Hussain or any other member of the Party has never dealt with any money that is the proceeds of crime. MQM's legal team has already submitted effective answers to questions concerning the cash seized from the party's office, whereas legal responses would be submitted shortly concerning the cash seized from Mr Altaf Hussain's residence."

With a condescension that is increasingly grating to the Pakistani public, Washington and London produce a regular flow of statements expressing concern about various Pakistani human rights abuses. But the whole issue of human rights monitoring is suffused with double standards. The abuses listed by the US and the UK are in fact little more than diplomatic ammunition held in reserve and deployed should the need arise.

The UK itself has questions to answer. It has resisted repeated Pakistani requests to hand over Hussain so that he can stand trial for murder in Pakistan. Hussain arrived in London in February 1992 and just three years later, Benazir Bhutto – then prime minister – was asking for London's help. "I think the British government has a moral responsibility to restrain Mr Altaf Hussain and say you cannot use our soil for violence," she said. Eighteen years later, Imran Khan's appeal was strikingly similar: "I blame the British government. Would they allow someone to sit in Pakistan and threaten people in the UK? They know about his track record."

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A protest against Altaf Hussain, outside Downing street in May this years Photograph: AFP/Getty Images

If Hussain were a suspected London-based jihadi, many Pakistanis believe, he would have been arrested years ago.

Pakistanis point to other instances where they believe the UK has favoured Hussain. In 2002 he was issued with a UK passport. Off the record, British officials admit that the process by which he obtained nationality was flawed – a decision in January 1999 to grant him indefinite leave to remain in the UK was made as a result of a "clerical error". Despite repeated questions, the Home Office has refused to disclose what that error was.

Most Pakistanis dismiss the idea of a clerical error as risible. They point to a letter No 10 received from Hussain as evidence of how the UK and the MQM have tried to conceal the true nature of their relationship. Written just two weeks after 9/11, in it Hussain says that if the UK wanted hundreds of thousands of people on the streets of Karachi denouncing terrorism he could lay that on with just five days' notice. He claimed he could also organise human intelligence on the Taliban and could set up a network of fake aid workers in Afghanistan to back up Western intelligence gathering efforts there.

After a copy of the letter appeared on the internet, the MQM denied its authenticity. Disclosures under the Freedom of Information Act have established that the letter is in fact authentic. Faced with that information, the Foreign Office admitted it had received the letter.

As Hussain suggests in the letter, British interest in the MQM is largely driven by the perception that the party offers a defence against jihadis. But there is more to it than that. The MQM is British turf: Karachi is one of the few places left on earth in which the Americans let Britain take the lead. The US consulate in Karachi no longer runs active intelligence gathering operations in the city. The British still do. When it comes to claiming a place at the top table of international security politics – London's relationship with the MQM is a remaining toehold.

And there's something else. The FCO's most important currency is influence. Successive Pakistani governments, when they are not demanding Hussain's extradition, have included his parliamentary bloc in various coalition governments. From the FCO's point of view, it's a great source of access. Right on their doorstep, in London, they have a man with ministers in the Pakistani government.

For its part the UK government insists there is nothing unusual about its contacts with MQM and that its meetings with MQM officials are: "a normal part of diplomatic activity around the world". I spoke to a British official recently about the MQM and asked why the UK government, so keen to declare its commitment to human rights, seemed so willing to deal with the party despite officials privately saying that it uses violence to achieve its goals. She said: "There is one thing I can assure you of – it's not a conspiracy." Which in a sense is true. It's not a conspiracy. It's just policy.

Owen Bennett-Jones is the author of Target Britain
 
Its a fact that MQM is a terrorist cum political organization. and I hate this outfit for turning Pakistan's biggest city into a battleground. At the same killing many innocent Pakistanis.

when MQM comes to KPK, it will finish jirga, tribalism and all farsoda riwayats that will make KPK prosperous enlightened modern, all bradari ism, khan ism, sardarism, mullahism and every ism in KPK will finish, common pashtuns will excel

pashtuns, punjabis, Sindis, hazaras etc all need a new mind set, Pakistan can't move forward with farsuda mind set

nobody cares about culture, religion, pashtun wali when a common pashtun is living a desparate life and when there is TTP mindset, JI mind set, bradari mind set, a nationalist pashtun mind set, it hinders the progress of a nation.

for progress it is necessary to change the mind set of every pakistani, including pashtuns and replace it with a new mind set, prioritising the development of pashtuns more than anything else
 
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