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China's rise is pushing America and India closer. But are they focusing on the wrong set of challenges?

Few diplomatic overtures have generated loftier expectations in recent years than Washington’s rapprochement with New Delhi. Frequently at loggerheads during the Cold War, then kept apart by the U.S. commitment to counter-proliferation and India’s pursuit of a nuclear deterrent, the two sides have never had a warm relationship. That began to change during the George W. Bush administration, a transformation that was symbolized by a controversial agreement allowing the United States to sell civilian nuclear technology to India, despite its status as a nuclear-armed nation that is not recognized by the Non-Proliferation Treaty. The Obama administration has since picked up where its predecessor left off. The president, for example, has called India a “natural ally” of the United States, while his former secretary of defense, Leon Panetta, declared that India was “a linchpin” of America’s pivot to the Asia-Pacific.

While there were many reasons for the world’s oldest democracy and the world’s largest democracy to mend fences, perhaps the most important reason was the one that few officials could point to in public: the rise of China. In modern times, tensions between New Delhi and Beijing date back to their border war in 1962. In fact, the contested boundaries between these two powers are some of the only land border disputes that China has yet to resolve. To keep up with Beijing’s growing military power, India needs to modernize its armed forces, which means moving away from its reliance on Russian hardware and looking toward Europe and the United States. Meanwhile, Washington is searching for ways to preserve its position in the Asia-Pacific as China’s strength continues to increase. Having the region’s other rising power on its side is a good place to start.

If a partnership between the United States and India makes sense on paper, so far improved relations between the two nations have hardly been game changing. There are a host of explanations why the fruits of strategic collaboration have been relatively modest, from bureaucracies on both sides that have impeded potential arms sales, to broader considerations such as the fear of antagonizing China. One important factor, though, is the mismatch between what the United States wants India to do and what New Delhi is best suited to do.

Proponents of closer ties between Washington and New Delhi often view India as a budding maritime power. As then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates declared in 2010, “India can be a net provider of security in the Indian Ocean and beyond.” For example, with a bigger and better navy, India could help patrol vital sea-lanes, deter or counter smuggling operations, combat piracy, provide humanitarian assistance far from home, and respond quickly when natural disasters strike. All of this could help relieve some of the burdens shouldered by the U.S. Navy, which is juggling its day-to-day role as a global security provider and first responder with the longer-term challenge of a shifting military balance in the Western Pacific. Not surprisingly, areas like counter-piracy and humanitarian assistance are at the center of U.S.-India security cooperation today.

The only problem is that India isn’t a maritime power: it’s a land power. To be sure, New Delhi is building and buying new ships and submarines, and seems determined to bolster its naval capabilities, which is hardly surprising given its location astride some of the world’s most important sea-lanes. But the major military challenges it faces come from on shore, and the Indian Army continues to be the nation’s dominant military service in terms of size, influence, and budget share.

Assuming that the underlying goal of closer U.S.-India ties is to help maintain a stable balance of power across Asia, a larger Indian navy is likely to have a marginal long-term impact. Actually, it could even be counterproductive. The rivalry between China and India may have begun on land, but it is starting to move into the maritime domain, particularly as Beijing makes inroads with island and littoral nations in the Indian Ocean while New Delhi continues to bolster its maritime capabilities. Building a robust, blue water fleet that would enable India to project maritime power throughout its region and beyond could give China an added incentive to double-down on naval modernization, conduct more deployments outside of East Asia, and perhaps develop a permanent overseas military presence to secure its sea lines of communication against the latent threat of Indian interdiction. Given the cost and difficulties of fielding a large, modern, and effective naval force, as well as the pull of more pressing security challenges on land, there is no guarantee that India will succeed.

If the current focus of U.S.-India security cooperation seems misplaced, how should it be adapted, particularly if the United States is likely to be engaged in a long-term, peacetime competition with China for regional influence and positional advantage? The answer requires bringing geopolitics back into the picture. While India has traditionally been a continental power focused on threats along its land borders, the same is true of China. For example, it is surrounded by fourteen different countries, including major powers and nuclear-armed nations. It previously fought a series of border wars and conflicts, not only with India but also against the Soviet Union and Vietnam. Its outlying territories are populated by minority groups that pose a continuous threat of internal unrest. And its access to the sea is limited by island barriers and maritime chokepoints. In fact, the main reason that China has been able to scale back the size of its ground forces and invest in naval and aerospace capabilities over the past two decades is that it hasn’t been distracted by serious land-based threats for the first time in a long time. Nevertheless, China remains extremely sensitive about the security of its borders.

Washington has a strong incentive to slow this trend if possible. As Beijing’s need to spend money on ground units and internal security forces declines, and as the bureaucratic clout of these organizations diminishes, then China’s naval, air, and missile forces are likely to get a growing slice of the resource pie. Yet these are precisely the forces that pose the biggest danger to the United States, its allies, and its interests abroad. Unfortunately, there is little that the U.S. can do, at least by itself. This is where India enters the equation. History tells us that in competitions between “whales” (maritime great powers like the United States) and “elephants” (rising continental powers like China), the former often need continental allies to counterbalance the latter. Today, India is the only plausible candidate that might be able to distract China from its growing focus on naval and aerospace modernization and reinforce Beijing’s traditional focus on territorial defense.

Interestingly, India is already moving in this direction. In response to Beijing’s development of military and dual-use infrastructure, which could enable it to deploy its forces to its frontiers more rapidly, New Delhi has started to bolster its military presence near disputed borders: refurbishing air fields, deploying its most advanced combat aircraft and land-attack cruise missiles to the region, and establishing a new mountain strike corps. Additional efforts along these lines could drive Beijing to undertake a number of potentially expensive but relatively unthreatening measures, such as increasing the size of its ground and internal security forces, hardening local bases and transportation infrastructure, and putting a more robust air defense network in place to the southwest.

If New Delhi does continue its military buildup along its northern borders, it should concentrate its efforts on deploying air and missile forces, for several reasons. First, in comparison to deploying additional infantry or light armor units, air and missile forces would help offset its geographic disadvantage, namely China’s command of the Himalayan plateau. Second, forward deployed air and missile forces would reduce the need for investments in the costly but vulnerable ground transportation infrastructure necessary to deploy units from interior garrisons to northern bases. Lastly, air and missile forces are particularly useful for denying an enemy’s advance by holding at risk staging areas and supply lines. Therefore they would still contribute to deterrence and cost-imposition, but would be much less escalatory than forces that could be used to seize and hold territory, like India’s new mountain strike corps.

For its part, the United States could support India in a variety of ways, from sharing intelligence about Chinese troop deployments near border areas to selling India capabilities such as aerial surveillance systems, intra-theater lift capabilities, and perhaps eventually stealthy combat aircraft that would pose additional burdens on China to establish control of the skies and defend its airspace.

In the end, India is unlikely to appreciate the idea of being a frontline state in a broader Sino-American competition. Yet geography, territorial disputes, the imperative to balance against a rising power on its doorstep, and broader changes in the global balance of power are putting it in that position. The real question, then, is whether it should emphasize balancing China on land or at sea.

Returning to the Land or Turning Toward the Sea? India
 
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The Article is pointing to reality, Japan Issues a Warning On Senkakus, India retaliates the border intrusions done by China and Ugyher clashes occur at the same time.

Connect the dots you will get the big picture.
 
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This Part is interesting:

Today, India is the only plausible candidate that might be able to distract China from its growing focus on naval and aerospace modernization and reinforce Beijing’s traditional focus on territorial defense.

China & India should know that rivalry b/w the two is not in the interest of any of the two but in the complete interest of a THIRD country who is losing Power by each passing day.

The recent Border tension, IMHO, has been blown out of proportion, this would have easily addressed by our Diplomats if the TRP driven media had not entered in the picture. I was shocked that just few Chinese Troops ALLEGEDLY enters Indian side & our Media started comparing the military Power on both sides.

China knows this very well that the military pressure on India from it's side is DIRECTLY PROPOSITIONAL to India getting more COZY with the US, which is certainly not in the interest of China as it is like Opening a Second Front when US is already present in China's East with it's upcoming Pacific/Asia Pivot. Why in the world would China want that??

@Chinese-Dragon am I right??
 
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come on india hardly ever supports usa (unlike our neighbours ) even in the global arena(UN) cuba supports usa more than india this just shows how much US needs us and how little we need them :) go china-india and please dump pakistan ! :DDD
 
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No thanks, we dont need the US and we will never get too close to them :wave:

We have long standing dispute with China not with US of A.
Why are you scared of proximity with USA ?? Leaving Pakistan aside there are countries like Japan,SK, Israel ,Australia and KSA.
 
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india should join pakistan and drive out china, because blood is thicker than water
 
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China's rise is pushing America and India closer. But are they focusing on the wrong set of challenges?

Few diplomatic overtures have generated loftier expectations in recent years than Washington’s rapprochement with New Delhi. Frequently at loggerheads during the Cold War, then kept apart by the U.S. commitment to counter-proliferation and India’s pursuit of a nuclear deterrent, the two sides have never had a warm relationship. That began to change during the George W. Bush administration, a transformation that was symbolized by a controversial agreement allowing the United States to sell civilian nuclear technology to India, despite its status as a nuclear-armed nation that is not recognized by the Non-Proliferation Treaty. The Obama administration has since picked up where its predecessor left off. The president, for example, has called India a “natural ally” of the United States, while his former secretary of defense, Leon Panetta, declared that India was “a linchpin” of America’s pivot to the Asia-Pacific.

While there were many reasons for the world’s oldest democracy and the world’s largest democracy to mend fences, perhaps the most important reason was the one that few officials could point to in public: the rise of China. In modern times, tensions between New Delhi and Beijing date back to their border war in 1962. In fact, the contested boundaries between these two powers are some of the only land border disputes that China has yet to resolve. To keep up with Beijing’s growing military power, India needs to modernize its armed forces, which means moving away from its reliance on Russian hardware and looking toward Europe and the United States. Meanwhile, Washington is searching for ways to preserve its position in the Asia-Pacific as China’s strength continues to increase. Having the region’s other rising power on its side is a good place to start.

If a partnership between the United States and India makes sense on paper, so far improved relations between the two nations have hardly been game changing. There are a host of explanations why the fruits of strategic collaboration have been relatively modest, from bureaucracies on both sides that have impeded potential arms sales, to broader considerations such as the fear of antagonizing China. One important factor, though, is the mismatch between what the United States wants India to do and what New Delhi is best suited to do.

Proponents of closer ties between Washington and New Delhi often view India as a budding maritime power. As then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates declared in 2010, “India can be a net provider of security in the Indian Ocean and beyond.” For example, with a bigger and better navy, India could help patrol vital sea-lanes, deter or counter smuggling operations, combat piracy, provide humanitarian assistance far from home, and respond quickly when natural disasters strike. All of this could help relieve some of the burdens shouldered by the U.S. Navy, which is juggling its day-to-day role as a global security provider and first responder with the longer-term challenge of a shifting military balance in the Western Pacific. Not surprisingly, areas like counter-piracy and humanitarian assistance are at the center of U.S.-India security cooperation today.

The only problem is that India isn’t a maritime power: it’s a land power. To be sure, New Delhi is building and buying new ships and submarines, and seems determined to bolster its naval capabilities, which is hardly surprising given its location astride some of the world’s most important sea-lanes. But the major military challenges it faces come from on shore, and the Indian Army continues to be the nation’s dominant military service in terms of size, influence, and budget share.

Assuming that the underlying goal of closer U.S.-India ties is to help maintain a stable balance of power across Asia, a larger Indian navy is likely to have a marginal long-term impact. Actually, it could even be counterproductive. The rivalry between China and India may have begun on land, but it is starting to move into the maritime domain, particularly as Beijing makes inroads with island and littoral nations in the Indian Ocean while New Delhi continues to bolster its maritime capabilities. Building a robust, blue water fleet that would enable India to project maritime power throughout its region and beyond could give China an added incentive to double-down on naval modernization, conduct more deployments outside of East Asia, and perhaps develop a permanent overseas military presence to secure its sea lines of communication against the latent threat of Indian interdiction. Given the cost and difficulties of fielding a large, modern, and effective naval force, as well as the pull of more pressing security challenges on land, there is no guarantee that India will succeed.

If the current focus of U.S.-India security cooperation seems misplaced, how should it be adapted, particularly if the United States is likely to be engaged in a long-term, peacetime competition with China for regional influence and positional advantage? The answer requires bringing geopolitics back into the picture. While India has traditionally been a continental power focused on threats along its land borders, the same is true of China. For example, it is surrounded by fourteen different countries, including major powers and nuclear-armed nations. It previously fought a series of border wars and conflicts, not only with India but also against the Soviet Union and Vietnam. Its outlying territories are populated by minority groups that pose a continuous threat of internal unrest. And its access to the sea is limited by island barriers and maritime chokepoints. In fact, the main reason that China has been able to scale back the size of its ground forces and invest in naval and aerospace capabilities over the past two decades is that it hasn’t been distracted by serious land-based threats for the first time in a long time. Nevertheless, China remains extremely sensitive about the security of its borders.

Washington has a strong incentive to slow this trend if possible. As Beijing’s need to spend money on ground units and internal security forces declines, and as the bureaucratic clout of these organizations diminishes, then China’s naval, air, and missile forces are likely to get a growing slice of the resource pie. Yet these are precisely the forces that pose the biggest danger to the United States, its allies, and its interests abroad. Unfortunately, there is little that the U.S. can do, at least by itself. This is where India enters the equation. History tells us that in competitions between “whales” (maritime great powers like the United States) and “elephants” (rising continental powers like China), the former often need continental allies to counterbalance the latter. Today, India is the only plausible candidate that might be able to distract China from its growing focus on naval and aerospace modernization and reinforce Beijing’s traditional focus on territorial defense.

Interestingly, India is already moving in this direction. In response to Beijing’s development of military and dual-use infrastructure, which could enable it to deploy its forces to its frontiers more rapidly, New Delhi has started to bolster its military presence near disputed borders: refurbishing air fields, deploying its most advanced combat aircraft and land-attack cruise missiles to the region, and establishing a new mountain strike corps. Additional efforts along these lines could drive Beijing to undertake a number of potentially expensive but relatively unthreatening measures, such as increasing the size of its ground and internal security forces, hardening local bases and transportation infrastructure, and putting a more robust air defense network in place to the southwest.

If New Delhi does continue its military buildup along its northern borders, it should concentrate its efforts on deploying air and missile forces, for several reasons. First, in comparison to deploying additional infantry or light armor units, air and missile forces would help offset its geographic disadvantage, namely China’s command of the Himalayan plateau. Second, forward deployed air and missile forces would reduce the need for investments in the costly but vulnerable ground transportation infrastructure necessary to deploy units from interior garrisons to northern bases. Lastly, air and missile forces are particularly useful for denying an enemy’s advance by holding at risk staging areas and supply lines. Therefore they would still contribute to deterrence and cost-imposition, but would be much less escalatory than forces that could be used to seize and hold territory, like India’s new mountain strike corps.

For its part, the United States could support India in a variety of ways, from sharing intelligence about Chinese troop deployments near border areas to selling India capabilities such as aerial surveillance systems, intra-theater lift capabilities, and perhaps eventually stealthy combat aircraft that would pose additional burdens on China to establish control of the skies and defend its airspace.

In the end, India is unlikely to appreciate the idea of being a frontline state in a broader Sino-American competition. Yet geography, territorial disputes, the imperative to balance against a rising power on its doorstep, and broader changes in the global balance of power are putting it in that position. The real question, then, is whether it should emphasize balancing China on land or at sea.

Returning to the Land or Turning Toward the Sea? India

India takes decision which suits her agenda and interests

. But the major military challenges it faces come from on shore, and the Indian Army continues to be the nation’s dominant military service in terms of size, influence, and budget share.

True up to an extent. IA receives biggest share of budget which is far larger than that of IN

But the reason is two neighbors India has to look after with whom India shares a long borders
 
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India takes decision which suits her agenda and interests


True up to an extent. IA receives biggest share of budget which is far larger than that of IN




India has a threat from China which we cannot ignore. Chinese leadership want to divert attention from the issue of governance. We/Hindus are more complacent and living in a dream world that we are super power. Unless Modi is PM we are not superpower.

It is sad how media is ignoring the issue. People who are over-confident, complacent, living in a comfort zone can say that chian is no threat, but chinese threat is real.

We all know that the best way to stimulate economy is war and if china goes to war (skirmish) they will have a better chance to divert attention and so will India. Indian media will stop focusing on corroption. I oberserve that some Indian who we think are patriotic are agents of Counter intelligence funded by ISI/Congress. They say we dont like Congress but they also say that we dont like BJP. They are just there to confuse you and a know a Hindu in this forum whose name start with A seems to be a conter-intel agent. He supports Indian Army, dislikes congress but has never given open support to hindutva agenda.

Reiterating: all threats are real, Pak is strong enemy, Khangress is ISI funded and BJP/Hindutva is the only solution.

If someone disagree to any one of the above he is on the side of Congress, in the Dharma Yudha you cannot take side of Duryodhan on some aspects and support evil!!
 
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We have long standing dispute with China not with US of A.
Why are you scared of proximity with USA ?? Leaving Pakistan aside there are countries like Japan,SK, Israel ,Australia and KSA.

You cannot trust the US, God knows when they will have a more negative view on us again. remember who was the first to impose sanctions on us in the late 90s? Remember who sent a nuclear carrier group to the Indian ocean to attack us?

India is a neutral country and that wont change. Do you seriously think that the opposition (no matter who is in power) will allow such a thing to happen? Do you think that the communists or the Muslims want to get too close to the US?
 
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You cannot trust the US, God knows when they will have a more negative view on us again. remember who was the first to impose sanctions on us in the late 90s? Remember who sent a nuclear carrier group to the Indian ocean to attack us?

India is a neutral country and that wont change. Do you seriously think that the opposition (no matter who is in power) will allow such a thing to happen? Do you think that the communists or the Muslims want to get too close to the US?

They sent their carrier in support of their ally Pakistan , that was cold war era so things were different back then, even China was with them back then.In international politics things do keep changing.
When you talk about sanctions then it was not out of blue , we knew it was comming.

When you talk about commis and muslims then in my mind there developes the pic of NAMO.
 
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They sent their carrier in support of their ally Pakistan , that was cold war era so things were different back then, even China was with them back then.In international politics things do keep changing.
When you talk about sanctions then it was not out of blue , we knew it was comming.

When you talk about commis and muslims then in my mind there developes the pic of NAMO.

1. Yes, the situation keeps changing, but how long will it take till we have the US against us? Look at Pakistan, they were a key ally a some years ago and now the US is literally raping Pak sovereignty on a monthly base.

2. Yeah...... how will magic Modi bring India into an alliance without having a majority?
 
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1. Yes, the situation keeps changing, but how long will it take till we have the US against us? Look at Pakistan, they were a key ally a some years ago and now the US is literally raping Pak sovereignty on a monthly base.

2. Yeah...... how will magic Modi bring India into an alliance without having a majority?

In my first post itself I said there are countries like Japan, SK ,KSA,Israel. Pakistan is different and clearly only exception on which US turned it's gun. At the moment till when our disputes with China is not sorted out , we must use US for negotiating with China from the position of Strength.

NaMo may not get absolute majority in 2014 but his policies may help him win more hearts for 2019.
 
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1. Yes, the situation keeps changing, but how long will it take till we have the US against us? Look at Pakistan, they were a key ally a some years ago and now the US is literally raping Pak sovereignty on a monthly base.

2. Yeah...... how will magic Modi bring India into an alliance without having a majority?

Pakistan is their Collateral Damage....there would've been a good relationship between Pak and US if Pakistan Stopped Using Terror as their Weapon...But what to do They're Muslims...Get my point?
 
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