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Once you dig bit deeper past just say corruption perception index and Cato freedom index, you will find some more richer veins that prove what I have been saying all along. This thread will serve as collection to use as needed:

@gslv mk3

Exhibit A:

https://unstats.un.org/unsd/nationalaccount/workshops/2011/bangkok/ESCAP-115.PDF

Assessment of the capacity of Bangladesh Statistical System to produce the core set of economic statistics July 2011

The assessment further found that although the BSS has the basic capacity to produce most of the statistics within the core set, it has limited capacity to produce many of these statistics in accordance with relevant international standards and good practices.

o The current legal mandate of the BBS is limited and does not comprehensively and clearly specify the role of the BBS including its role in the coordination of statistical activities in the country, limiting is ability to fully fulfil its function.

o The current limited financial and staff resources place a constraint on the BSS and in particular the BBS by limiting its capacity to collect survey data on sub-annual basis in a timely manner, compile economic statistics with recommended frequency and in accordance with latest international standards and good practices.

o The current recruitment policy affects the ability to hire new staff and results in significant number of unfilled positions further limiting the capacity of BSS to fulfil its function.

o The limited training opportunities at the national level, limit the ability of BSS to effectively and efficiently develop the statistical skills of its new staff as well as improve the skills of existing staff.

o The lack of necessary survey data an in particular sub-annual data and limited access to administrative data affect the frequency and quality of economic statistics.

o The BBS business register is in the early stages of development and at present is not sufficient to be used for all economic surveys.

o The BSS statistical information systems (and in particular those of BBS) are in need of modernization as the existing systems inhibit transfer of data and efficient compilation and dissemination of statistics.

o The lack of use of quality assurance framework and modern data editing techniques affects the quality and timeliness of statistics.

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Exhibit B:

Open Data Barometer (referred to insitutionally by World Bank and others in their indices):

http://opendatabarometer.org/2ndEdition/analysis/rankings.html

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Exhibit C:

Open Data Index (again World Bank refers to regarding capacity and quality of data):

https://index.okfn.org/place/

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Exhibit D:

http://www.unescap.org/sites/default/files/pre-ods/CST2-INF9.pdf

Bangladesh didn't validate the ESCAP assessment based on IMF/World Bank ROSC and DQAF (check the annex)...which is the first step in addressing fundamental entrenched institutional problems.

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Exhibit E:

http://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2017/04/27/country-facing-major-data-gaps-monitoring-sdgs/

Bangladesh is facing a considerable data gap for monitoring Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) as statistics on over two-thirds of indicators are either partially available or not available at all, reveals a study.

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Depending on interest on this subject I will do an analysis of exactly which parts of BBS data chain are vulnerable to political propaganda purposes given the methodology (which BD has scored quite poorly and is slipping w.r.t World Bank capacity index) used. For example a big one is the claimed BD population pyramid structure w.r.t reported mortality (where so much underlying data has quite large data gaps - now starting to be reported in BD itself refer to Exhibit E).
 
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Official Statistical System in India - UNDP
Challenged faced in respect of collection and compilation of data

• Unreliable agencies • Quality of data • Not receiving data in a timely manner • Getting back to fields for inconsistent data is a time-taking affair • Compiling data coming in different formats


In July 2011, the governor of the Reserve Bank of India expressed concern over the quality of statistics collected by government agencies.-governor of the Reserve Bank of India

From missing data to unreliable numbers, India’s statistical ecosystem needs an overhaul-Samarth Bansal Hindustan Times, New Delhi Sep 21, 2017

On Close Inspection, India’s Sharp Growth Picture Gets Fuzzy-Wall Street Journal



Endline: Not Just Bangladesh, Governmental entities in all underdeveloped and developing nations which includes India are unreliable.
 
Official Statistical System in India - UNDP
Challenged faced in respect of collection and compilation of data

• Unreliable agencies • Quality of data • Not receiving data in a timely manner • Getting back to fields for inconsistent data is a time-taking affair • Compiling data coming in different formats


In July 2011, the governor of the Reserve Bank of India expressed concern over the quality of statistics collected by government agencies.-governor of the Reserve Bank of India

From missing data to unreliable numbers, India’s statistical ecosystem needs an overhaul-Samarth Bansal Hindustan Times, New Delhi Sep 21, 2017

On Close Inspection, India’s Sharp Growth Picture Gets Fuzzy-Wall Street Journal



Endline: Not Just Bangladesh, Governmental entities in all underdeveloped and developing nations which includes India are unreliable.
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Once you dig bit deeper past just say corruption perception index and Cato freedom index, you will find some more richer veins that prove what I have been saying all along. This thread will serve as collection to use as needed:

@gslv mk3

Exhibit A:

https://unstats.un.org/unsd/nationalaccount/workshops/2011/bangkok/ESCAP-115.PDF

Assessment of the capacity of Bangladesh Statistical System to produce the core set of economic statistics July 2011

The assessment further found that although the BSS has the basic capacity to produce most of the statistics within the core set, it has limited capacity to produce many of these statistics in accordance with relevant international standards and good practices.

o The current legal mandate of the BBS is limited and does not comprehensively and clearly specify the role of the BBS including its role in the coordination of statistical activities in the country, limiting is ability to fully fulfil its function.

o The current limited financial and staff resources place a constraint on the BSS and in particular the BBS by limiting its capacity to collect survey data on sub-annual basis in a timely manner, compile economic statistics with recommended frequency and in accordance with latest international standards and good practices.

o The current recruitment policy affects the ability to hire new staff and results in significant number of unfilled positions further limiting the capacity of BSS to fulfil its function.

o The limited training opportunities at the national level, limit the ability of BSS to effectively and efficiently develop the statistical skills of its new staff as well as improve the skills of existing staff.

o The lack of necessary survey data an in particular sub-annual data and limited access to administrative data affect the frequency and quality of economic statistics.

o The BBS business register is in the early stages of development and at present is not sufficient to be used for all economic surveys.

o The BSS statistical information systems (and in particular those of BBS) are in need of modernization as the existing systems inhibit transfer of data and efficient compilation and dissemination of statistics.

o The lack of use of quality assurance framework and modern data editing techniques affects the quality and timeliness of statistics.

=============

Exhibit B:

Open Data Barometer (referred to insitutionally by World Bank and others in their indices):

http://opendatabarometer.org/2ndEdition/analysis/rankings.html

================

Exhibit C:

Open Data Index (again World Bank refers to regarding capacity and quality of data):

https://index.okfn.org/place/

==================

Exhibit D:

http://www.unescap.org/sites/default/files/pre-ods/CST2-INF9.pdf

Bangladesh didn't validate the ESCAP assessment based on IMF/World Bank ROSC and DQAF (check the annex)...which is the first step in addressing fundamental entrenched institutional problems.

============

Exhibit E:

http://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2017/04/27/country-facing-major-data-gaps-monitoring-sdgs/

Bangladesh is facing a considerable data gap for monitoring Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) as statistics on over two-thirds of indicators are either partially available or not available at all, reveals a study.

========

Depending on interest on this subject I will do an analysis of exactly which parts of BBS data chain are vulnerable to political propaganda purposes given the methodology (which BD has scored quite poorly and is slipping w.r.t World Bank capacity index) used. For example a big one is the claimed BD population pyramid structure w.r.t reported mortality (where so much underlying data has quite large data gaps - now starting to be reported in BD itself refer to Exhibit E).

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Official Statistical System in India - UNDP
Challenged faced in respect of collection and compilation of data

• Unreliable agencies • Quality of data • Not receiving data in a timely manner • Getting back to fields for inconsistent data is a time-taking affair • Compiling data coming in different formats


In July 2011, the governor of the Reserve Bank of India expressed concern over the quality of statistics collected by government agencies.-governor of the Reserve Bank of India

From missing data to unreliable numbers, India’s statistical ecosystem needs an overhaul-Samarth Bansal Hindustan Times, New Delhi Sep 21, 2017

On Close Inspection, India’s Sharp Growth Picture Gets Fuzzy-Wall Street Journal



Endline: Not Just Bangladesh, Governmental entities in all underdeveloped and developing nations which includes India are unreliable.

Now you want to compare in apples to apples way? Tell me what did UNSTAT have to say about India when its quotes this about Bangladesh:

BBS has limited capacity to produce many of these statistics in accordance with relevant international standards and good practices.

Look it up and tell me if this was said about India by UNSTAT. Then look up whether India validated and accepted the ESCAP assessment, and compare to what BD did in that regard :D.

You respond, I will kick you right into the grave you dig.

Took literally a minute to find. Totally worth it for the BD tears (more of which will come). :D

I'll just keep quoting this thread as it grows whenever any stupid claims come in the subforum so people can see the huge wall of fail that BD is institutionally.

Once the thread is big and juicy enough, time to display the census shenanigans BD pulled :D. Should be soon enough given the juicy crying now accumulating here.

You see, your failed country needs to be undermined with facts, evidence and hung with the rope its own butthurt defenders provide.

Just look at how this clueless clown ran away with some analysis 101:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bang...-consumption-soars.525749/page-2#post-9985909

More of the same incoming :D
 
Took literally a minute to find. Totally worth it for the BD tears (more of which will come). :D

I'll just keep quoting this thread as it grows whenever any stupid claims come in the subforum so people can see the huge wall of fail that BD is institutionally.

Once the thread is big and juicy enough, time to display the census shenanigans BD pulled :D. Should be soon enough given the juicy crying now accumulating here.

You see, your failed country needs to be undermined with facts, evidence and hung with the rope its own butthurt defenders provide.

Just look at how this clueless clown ran away with some analysis 101:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bang...-consumption-soars.525749/page-2#post-9985909

More of the same incoming :D

Did it also take you a minute to type all that up and this. As well as to respond to every BD thread with your hateful mindset? Heck, it seems to happen outside the BD forum as well. Hardly any of your anti-BD claims is based on hard facts and evidence. It's mostly all conjecture.
 
Now you want to compare in apples to apples way? Tell me what did UNSTAT have to say about India when its quotes this about Bangladesh:

BBS has limited capacity to produce many of these statistics in accordance with relevant international standards and good practices.

Look it up and tell me if this was said about India by UNSTAT. Then look up whether India validated and accepted the ESCAP assessment, and compare to what BD did in that regard :D.

Scraping a draft report dated back 2011 and made only for few countries including Bangladesh and Bhutan. BBS has improved much more since then. But anyways,you will disagree.

So a report from UNstat credible but not a report from UNDP.

Official Statistical System in India - UNDP
Challenged faced in respect of collection and compilation of data

Unreliable agencies • Quality of data • Not receiving data in a timely manner • Getting back to fields for inconsistent data is a time-taking affair • Compiling data coming in different formats

You respond, I will kick you right into the grave you dig.

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Hardly any of your anti-BD claims is based on hard facts and evidence.

What because you say so? Corruption Perception Index and Cato Freedom Index are also not based on any hard facts or evidence? It is wrong to say BD is stagnant there and Pakistan and India are better off (and hence more credible to begin with) and improving too? I am making it up when ESCAP assessment was rejected by BD govt?

To prove you are not a hypocrite, take me through your hard facts and evidence regarding the BBS claims on eid....start there, something simple as counting cattle. Help out your compatriot, he hit the wall hard, maybe you can climb it and keep running?:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bang...-consumption-soars.525749/page-2#post-9985909

Lets see you put action to your words instead of resorting to ad-hominem. It is this sole thread I am going to hew against the BD hordes in relation to their country bureaucracy credibility.

Scraping a draft report dated back 2011 and made only for few countries including Bangladesh and Bhutan.

The problem is that BD completely rejected the ESCAP assessment (and continues to reject it) on how to address the shortfalls. Thus the 2011 report stands. You see BD govt hates being called out in its deficiency....there is obviously something quite flimsy under the surface once you scratch it.....so BD doesn't want it scratched in first place. MOSPI and Indian govt follow completely different philosophy, ESCAP assessment was accepted, validated and alongside with IMF technical committee, improvements and bureaucratic reform are made.

You can check yourself how India does as a result of such both ranking wise and improvement wise in corruption perception index w.r.t institutional sub-components specifically.

A more recent example of such is the ranking in ease of doing business by World Bank too.

Whereas only examples of BD "improving" are when totally insulated data from institutionally compromised and politically exploited BBS is used.

BBS has improved much more since then.

Evidence? Bangladesh still stuck where it is in corruption perception index. ESCAP recommendations still sitting in a filing cabinet somewhere in some BD babu office if it hasnt been shredded.

Official Statistical System in India - UNDP
Challenged faced in respect of collection and compilation of data

Unreliable agencies • Quality of data • Not receiving data in a timely manner • Getting back to fields for inconsistent data is a time-taking affair • Compiling data coming in different formats

Please post a link to an actual vetted UN published paper (so equivalents to BD can be compared as close to apple-apple fashion) rather than copying pasting from whatever power point presentation you can scrounge up by a google search and copy paste verbatim.

LOL at:

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How is BD faring even in raw data terms regarding UNDP goals?

http://www.bd.undp.org/content/bang...itiatives-human-rights-day-2016-observed.html

There is after all a major reason why BD is only in GDDS whereas India is in SDDS with regards to IMF statistical standards.

Whats the difference one may ask?

http://dsbb.imf.org/pages/gddsdiffsdds.aspx
 
Nilgiri is funny :D

He has devoted his rest of life for PDF Bangladesh sub forum section. :smitten:

I like many of his data driven posts.



Do you think UNDP made a slide to joke on PDF. No they dont.

Whereas only examples of BD "improving" are when totally insulated data from institutionally compromised and politically exploited BBS is used.


Evidence? Bangladesh still stuck where it is in corruption perception index. ESCAP recommendations still sitting in a filing cabinet somewhere in some BD babu office if it hasnt been shredded.

With your logic Bangladesh should have in the lower of the list but you just are 1 point ahead than us.

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Confessed by Govt itself and they are working on it.

http://www.plancomm.gov.bd/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/SDG-DATA-Gap-Final-Draft.pdf

A more recent example of such is the ranking in ease of doing business by World Bank too.

Congratzz btw. Bangladeshi politicians need to learn this asap how you did it!
 

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