Remembering the Pakistani Soldiers who got martyred in NATO attack.

[truthseeker2010]

The foundation of all that is the economy.

Hell yes!

 

[Jaanbaz]

If you knew the type of people that actually make up the American armed forces then you would know that this was a planned and deliberate attack. A large potion of US military is made up of Right wing White Christians, they believe they have to invade every Muslim country and kill ''rag-heads''. If you think its anything else then you're a fool.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Well isn't that a bit oversimplification, Pakistani forces other than the covert support of logistics to Taliban continued to poke the US forces continuesly, and in addition there wers some overt actions by PA too, you did not expect US forces to respond?

Gora Prai airstrike:

On 10 June 2008, 10 Pakistani paramilitary troops from the Frontier Corps and a Pakistan Army major, were killed by a US airstrike in Pakistani tribal areas, along with 8 Taliban fighters. The airstrike occurred following clashes between Taliban fighters and US troops along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. Taliban fighters had fled across the border into Pakistan, and two US F-15E strike fighters and a B-1 bomber then entered Pakistani airspace and dropped about a dozen 500-pound laser-guided bombs.

Angoor Ada:

Seven US helicopter gunships and two troop-carrying Chinook helicopters landed on the Afghan side of the border, in the Afghan province of Paktika, where US troops then tried to cross the border into Pakistan. As they did so, Pakistani paramilitary soldiers at a checkpoint began firing warning shots into the air and the US troops decided not to continue forward. The firing reportedly lasted for several hours.

Kurram incident:

On 30 September 2010. U.S. helicopters entered Pakistani airspace after ground troops determined that a mortar attack by militants in Pakistan was imminent, according to the Coalition. Pakistani Frontier Corps troops manning the Mandata Kadaho border post fired warning shots, and the helicopters responded by firing two missiles that destroyed the post. Three soldiers were killed and another three wounded. Pakistan responded by closing a key NATO supply route for eleven days.

Datta Khel incident:

On May 17, 2011, a skirmish between a U.S. helicopter and Pakistani forces took place in the Datta Khel area. According to NATO, an American base along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border took direct and indirect fire from Pakistan. Two U.S. helicopters flew into the area. According to the Pakistani military, the helicopters had breached its airspace.

Salala incident:

On 26 November 2011, 28 Pakistani soldiers, including 2 officers,were killed and the remainder injured in an attack on
two Pakistani border posts in Mohmand tribal region by NATOApache helicopters, an AC-130 gunshipand fighter jets.


None of them seem to be friendly fire... Operational awareness seemed to exist in every incident.

Adaab, Salaam , Namastey and greetings my dear hope you and family are well

re your post, these are reasoning which one can make if he feels like but
what I said was simple because of the power disparity between these two shotgun wedded couples Americans could have just done that because those posts were conveniently there whether or not
they had anything to do with all the war on terror and Pakistani actions that were not liked by the Americans.

 

[VCheng]

Well isn't that a bit oversimplification, Pakistani forces other than the covert support of logistics to Taliban continued to poke the US forces continuesly, and in addition there wers some overt actions by PA too, you did not expect US forces to respond?

Gora Prai airstrike:

On 10 June 2008, 10 Pakistani paramilitary troops from the Frontier Corps and a Pakistan Army major, were killed by a US airstrike in Pakistani tribal areas, along with 8 Taliban fighters. The airstrike occurred following clashes between Taliban fighters and US troops along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. Taliban fighters had fled across the border into Pakistan, and two US F-15E strike fighters and a B-1 bomber then entered Pakistani airspace and dropped about a dozen 500-pound laser-guided bombs.

Angoor Ada:

Seven US helicopter gunships and two troop-carrying Chinook helicopters landed on the Afghan side of the border, in the Afghan province of Paktika, where US troops then tried to cross the border into Pakistan. As they did so, Pakistani paramilitary soldiers at a checkpoint began firing warning shots into the air and the US troops decided not to continue forward. The firing reportedly lasted for several hours.

Kurram incident:

On 30 September 2010. U.S. helicopters entered Pakistani airspace after ground troops determined that a mortar attack by militants in Pakistan was imminent, according to the Coalition. Pakistani Frontier Corps troops manning the Mandata Kadaho border post fired warning shots, and the helicopters responded by firing two missiles that destroyed the post. Three soldiers were killed and another three wounded. Pakistan responded by closing a key NATO supply route for eleven days.

Datta Khel incident:

On May 17, 2011, a skirmish between a U.S. helicopter and Pakistani forces took place in the Datta Khel area. According to NATO, an American base along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border took direct and indirect fire from Pakistan. Two U.S. helicopters flew into the area. According to the Pakistani military, the helicopters had breached its airspace.

Salala incident:

On 26 November 2011, 28 Pakistani soldiers, including 2 officers,were killed and the remainder injured in an attack on
two Pakistani border posts in Mohmand tribal region by NATOApache helicopters, an AC-130 gunshipand fighter jets.


None of them seem to be friendly fire... Operational awareness seemed to exist in every incident.

Excerpt from:

http://issi.org.pk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/1379054832_41565742.pdf

 

[valkyr_96]

Excerpt from:

http://issi.org.pk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/1379054832_41565742.pdf

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US A10s fired on a British convoy and one of the soldiers succumbed to his injuries....with a lot of pressure from the parents and possibly the UK government. The footage and communications were released, it was clearly the fault of the AWAC controller who gave the go ahead without any confirmation (which came after the attack) you can even hear the pilots "melt" on hearing it was a blue on blue. Similar evidence was asked for but not given something to do with the the designated type of "ally" (it seemed we did not qualify for ultra premium super duper ally category). In my opinion, it was deliberate and I could see it coming. There was simply too much American frustration in the news at that time.

 

[VCheng]

US A10s fired on a British convoy and one of the soldiers succumbed to his injuries....with a lot of pressure from the parents and possibly the UK government. The footage and communications were released, it was clearly the fault of the AWAC controller who gave the go ahead without any confirmation (which came after the attack) you can even hear the pilots "melt" on hearing it was a blue on blue. Similar evidence was asked for but not given something to do with the the designated type of "ally" (it seemed we did not qualify for ultra premium super duper ally category). In my opinion, it was deliberate and I could see it coming. There was simply too much American frustration in the news at that time.

As @MilSpec pointed out above, there were many such incidents, but the basic issue with the present one is that US forces came under fire. That set into motion a whole series of events resulting in tragedy.

 

[valkyr_96]

As @MilSpec pointed out above, there were many such incidents, but the basic issue with the present one is that US forces came under fire. That set into motion a whole series of events resulting in tragedy.

All I would like to hear is the audio. What happened to the planned operation that was taking place...was it completed "" or postponed?

 

[VCheng]

All I would like to hear is the audio. What happened to the planned operation that was taking place...was it completed "" or postponed?

Those transcripts are available and part of the report.

 

[valkyr_96]

Is the report still available i can't seem to find it?
http://www.centcom.mil/images/stories/ Crossborder/report exsum further redacted.pdf

 

[BATMAN]

Pakistan should suspend US supplies for a week to remember it's martyrs.

 

[VCheng]

Is the report still available i can't seem to find it?
http://www.centcom.mil/images/stories/ Crossborder/report exsum further redacted.pdf

Still available.

The incident started primarily because of the NATO units conducting an operation coming under hostile fire. That much is clear.

 

[Mrc]

There was an issue with threat assessment by Pakistani generals and it was poor...

Our soldiers would have been more effective and would have been able ti defend them selves if they had shoulder fired man pads freely available but were not issued to soldiers that fateful night

 

[valkyr_96]

Still available.

The incident started primarily because of the NATO units conducting an operation coming under hostile fire. That much is clear.

I am unable to retrieve it gives an error.....you are free to believe whatever you want and so are the rest.

 

[VCheng]

I am unable to retrieve it gives an error.....you are free to believe whatever you want and so are the rest.

Of course. Everyone has an equal right to their opinion, no matter how formed.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

انا لله وانا اليه راجعون

A massive tragic event , for the ones who lost their lives while others who may have survived have to live with scars of a blatant attack.

The ripple effect have been felt ever since

a) Problems with Reimbursement
b) Cancellation of F16 follow up order
c) Stalling of the Helicopter deal
d) Diplomatic tension


And in end , such actions proved to be of no value

A monument should be created infront of US embassy so it seends a strong message