Regional power confronts China over East Sea

[ajtr]

This source is old, now our pilots regularly train about 200 hours per year, also it they spend a lot of time on the flight simulator.

old is gold......

you know Pakistan pilots opinions,haha,good spy,and India has the worst fighter plane crash rate in the world.PLA holds a very low opinion about Indian army,that's a hard fact.

Yeah a RAW agent

 

[beijingwalker]

May be my eyesight is not as good as yours but can you please highlight where i have mentioned "rest of the world"

the rest is very a very vague term,if not the rest of the world,then who is MR.the rest?I just like to see a clear definition of what you claim,who are them?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We identified the drilling areas and went back ... we will shortly come back with drill bits and oil rig ,have patience ...

Hey by the way thanks for reminding , the warning department is the top performing and most busiest dept in your country ! cheers

Well, India just spent 46 million USD for nothing, since you don't have the capability to drill here, but to meddle into China's business.

 

[Mo12]

China really won't try to mess around with several different nations, will be a quick war and send China 10-20 years back again.

 

[beijingwalker]

China really won't try to mess around with several different nations, will be a quick war and send China 10-20 years back again.

then China's enemy must be living in stone age by that time.

 

[timetravel]

seriously I believe SCS is international waters. If China does anything to declare sovereignty over international waters, then the whole world should declare the seas under their control as their sovereign waters.. and don't let Chinese ships pass by without paying huge fees (charge it to china only) and secondly don't allow them to do any exploration in their waters (like no access to explore Indian ocean as that will be Indian sovereign sea and likewise no access to any other sea especially the Antarctic also, which should be shared among other countries but China should be totally denied any right to it).

no way China can declare International waters as its own property, or else there will be no international seas in the world anymore (only for Chinese, for other world they will remain international).

Also if China attacks Vietnam and Philippine it attracts war from US, NATO (as they see China as bully and have pact with Philippine), Japan (as it seas it happening in future in their disputed points), India (as China attacks our assets in the Vietnam's EEZ), Russia (attacking its assets in Vietnam's EEZ and coz Russia will continue to supply loads and tons of weapon to Vietnam in case of a conflict. So can be said about US also).

Ultimately it will be the demise of China forever.

 

[beijingwalker]

seriously I believe SCS is international waters. If China does anything to declare sovereignty over international waters, then the whole world should declare the seas under their control as their sovereign waters.. and don't let Chinese ships pass by without paying huge fees (charge it to china only) and secondly don't allow them to do any exploration in their waters (like no access to explore Indian ocean as that will be Indian sovereign sea and likewise no access to any other sea especially the Antarctic also, which should be shared among other countries but China should be totally denied any right to it).

no way China can declare International waters as its own property, or else there will be no international seas in the world anymore (only for Chinese, for other world they will remain international).

Also if China attacks Vietnam and Philippine it attracts war from US, NATO (as they see China as bully and have pact with Philippine), Japan (as it seas it happening in future in their disputed points), India (as China attacks our assets in the Vietnam's EEZ), Russia (attacking its assets in Vietnam's EEZ and coz Russia will continue to supply loads and tons of weapon to Vietnam in case of a conflict. So can be said about US also).

Ultimately it will be the demise of China forever.

stupidity has no bounds,ha,what a wet dream this guy is having.lol..

Philippines alone in Asean vs China

Wednesday, 11 July 2012 00:00
ELLEN TORDESILLAS

‘The discussion was contentious between the Philippines and Cambodia over the subject of Scarborough Shoal.’

AS of late afternoon yesterday, the foreign ministers of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, who were meeting in Pnom Penh, Cambodia, had not released the joint communiqué which usually concludes the meeting.

Reporters covering the 45th Asean FMM said the discussion Monday was contentious between the Philippines and the chair, Cambodia over the subject of Scarborough Shoal.

The Philippines, represented by Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario, introduced the following paragraph in the draft communiqué. The capitalized phrases were taken out by Cambodia, apparently in consideration of China, but the Philippines insisted on its restoration: “In this context, we discussed in depth the recent developments in the South China Sea INCLUDING THE SITUATION IN THE SCARBOROUGH SHOAL, and expressed serious concern over such development in the area PARTICULARLY THOSE CONTRARY TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE 1982 UNCLOS RELATED TO THE EXCLUSIVE ECONOMIC ZONE AND CONTINENTAL SHELVES OF COASTAL STATES. In this connection we called on all parties to respect THE EXCLUSIVE ECONOMIC ZONE AND CONTINENTAL SHELVES OF COASTAL STATES as well as the freedom of navigation in and overflight over the South China Sea as provided for by the universally recognized principles of international law, including the 1982 UNCLOS. “

Information from participating officials said Singapore and Indonesia tried to reformulate the paragraph but there was no agreement by the Philippines and Cambodia, which is known to be very close with China.

This development should tell the Philippines to be ready for a lonely fight if we decide to pursue the case on the conflict with China on Scarborough Shoal and South China Sea in the international arena.

It is a fight that we should pursue to uphold our territorial integrity but we should not expect any support from our neighbors in Asean, even those with their own conflicting claims with China in the South China Sea.Asean is composed of Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos , Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam.

Brunei, Malaysia, Philippines and Vietnam are involved in conflicting territorial claims over parts of South China Sea, which China is claiming wholly as part of its territory. Taiwan also claims ownership of SCS.

The stand of Asean, which operates by consensus, on the dispute between the Philippines and China, is not at all surprising.

It’s all about national interest.

These countries enjoy a robust trade with China (which the Philippines does). They won’t jeopardize the interest of their people by siding with the Philippines regardless of the merits of our arguments against China’s intrusion to our territory.

Not even the United States, which has promised to help the us improve the capability of our armed forces, won’t join us in a war with China. There is so much going between the United States and China economically.

The comment of an unnamed US Embassy official published in Jane’s Defence Weekly on the announcement of President Aquino recently that he would ask the United States to conduct overflights over South China Sea, should tell Philippine officials to tone down their expectation of American assistance in a conflict with China.

However, the US official said, “US forces do not lend out our aircraft nor comment where or when or why they fly when over international airspace.”

We still have to confirm this but a reliable source said the Americans advised Philippine officials not to send back government vessels to Scarborough Shoal which was the scene of a more-than-two month standoff with China.

Aquino had met his cabinet on China but, unlike before when Malacañang was issuing statements that irked China, he ordered complete secrecy.

Whatever the government decides on how to proceed with China, Aquino should be aware of the realities in foreign relations and should have a plan, short and long term, for the consequences of his decision.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...pines-alone-asean-vs-china.html#ixzz21NIDox6Z

 

[ajtr]

China really won't try to mess around with several different nations, will be a quick war and send China 10-20 years back again.

When a cat is cornered it tends to attack.look at china's map you know what i mean.

 

[beijingwalker]

When a cat is cornered it tends to attack.look at china's map you know what i mean.

the cat may bite and eventually will get killed

 

[timetravel]

you know Pakistan pilots opinions,haha,good spy,and India has the worst fighter plane crash rate in the world.PLA holds a very low opinion about Indian army,that's a hard fact.

In India and rest of world EVEN the common person hold extremely poor opinion of the pla, plan and plaaf.

stupidity has no bounds,ha,what a wet dream this guy is having.lol..

well world can see who has wet dream to occupy INTERNATIONAL WATERS.

SCS is international waters? So how can you own them. they belong to whole world.

If you declare them as your own, you will be denied all other oceans of the world (only china will be denied from any exploration for resources), as then they also become sovereign for other countries.

and what makes you feel that when u stop Russia, Japan, India, NATO, US from drilling for oil and other resources in INTERNATIONAL SEAS of SCS, then they will allow you to look for resources in INTERNATIONAL SEAS under their CONTROLS. height of stupidity from Chinese. (which only they are capable off)

Just occupy the SCS by force and stop India, Russia, Japan, US NATO from oil and resources in that area, and see the REPERCUSSIONS for Chinese economy. IT will come crashing down like a pack of cards due to isolation, trade barriers and shunning of chinese exports and forget about searching for resources in any other SEA APART FROM SCS.

 

[ajtr]

the cat may bite and eventually will get killed

An experienced hunter will always leave a little way before netting the cat and then skinning it.

 

[lightoftruth]

1.if china works on their foreign policy on the basis of mutual benifit of countries involved in the disputed areas it can be force to reckon with, in any part of the world.

2.Because of the disputes being marine based it confines their force to a particular area (scs).thus making their global ambitions difficult and making their surrounding more offensive and build up of best weapons from the otherside.

3.this area will become a warzone in near future for every major power in few years if china continues to ignore the position of involved countries.

 

[beijingwalker]

In India and rest of world the common people hold extremely poor opinion of the pla, plan and plaaf.



well world can see who has wet dream to occupy INTERNATIONAL WATERS.

SCS is international waters? So how can you own them. they belong to whole world.

If you declare them as your own, you will be denied all other oceans of the world (only china will be denied from any exploration for resources), as then they also become sovereign for other countries.

and what makes you feel that when u stop Russia, Japan, India, NATO, US from drilling for oil and other resources in INTERNATIONAL SEAS of SCS, then they will allow you to look for resources in INTERNATIONAL SEAS under their CONTROLS. height of stupidity from Chinese. (which only they are capable off)

we dont to stop them exploring,we also give them contracts to explore SCS,business is business.if you can't see that,your mind is pretty slow them.

1.if china works on their foreign policy on the basis of mutual benifit of countries involved in the disputed areas it can be force to reckon with, in any part of the world.

2.Because of the disputes being marine based it confines their force to a particular area (scs).thus making their global ambitions difficult and making their surrounding more offensive and build up of best weapons from the otherside.

3.this area will become a warzone in near future for every major power in few years if china continues to ignore the position of involved countries.

In the next future it could be a war zone,but in the far future,it would be definitly China's,no one can stop that ,maybe can only delay it a couple of years,just like the fact that no one in this world can stop rise of China,so we can leave this matter unsovled for 2 more decades,and we will see them again in 20 years.

 

[timetravel]

we dont to stop them exploring,we also give them contracts to explore SCS,business is business.if you can't see that,your mind is pretty slow them.

then you come to other seas and SEEK other COUNTRIES approval for any exploration of resources. So for any movement you make in any seas you will need permission of the country in control of that AREA and give them huge amounts of money. Simple point is there will be NO INTERNATIONAL SEE for China in whole world. (but will be there for rest of world). Chinese will be shunned from any seas.

 

[beijingwalker]

then you come to other seas and SEEK other COUNTRIES approval for any exploration of resources. So for any movement you make in any seas you will need permission of the country in control of that AREA and give them huge amounts of money. Simple point is there will be NO INTERNATIONAL SEE for China in whole world. (but will be there for rest of world). Chinese will be shunned from any seas.

really,who shuns China,you? and who is presiding this so called international sea issue,also you? US controls every sea with its gunboat policy,any countries raise issues with US? But US can not always stay on top,it's declining.