Reform UN Security Council to Maintain its Credibility: PM Modi

[Osiris]

If you're so confident, then keep begging. One decade wasn't long enough I guess.

Meanwhile the P5 has already expanded. Don't you ever read the International News?

Anytime there is a big global issue, people always talk about the "P5 + 1". Always the P5 + 1. Sorry, they never mention India.

And even that was only allowed because it did not provide any change or expansion to the veto powers.

Are you talking about talks with Iran. Naive you are.

See the changes happening right before eyes and see how china despite holding the veto power will not be able to stop the reform, because it wouldn't want to be singled out and act against world opinion.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Are you talking about talks with Iran. Naive you are.

See the changes happening right before eyes and see how china despite holding the veto power will not be able to stop the reform, because it wouldn't want to be singled out and act against world opinion.

Regarding ANY major global issue. Whether Iran or North Korea.

People only talk about the P5 + 1. Just check any International Media outlet. They never mention India, only the P5 + 1, colloquially known as the "Great powers".

Sorry, if you were as important as you think you are, you would have already been included when you asked for it a decade ago.

India to become superpower by 2012: President Kalam - Economic Times

Again, according to the UN charter, reforms can only happen with the support of 100% of the P5 members. And China/Russia/America already ruled out ANY changes to the veto power.

The text being passed around the UNGA right now is simply asking to have "discussions" on UNSC reforms.

 

[protest]

Well then maybe you can explain to me, how letting Modi sit at the P5 table will bring more "credibility" to the P5?

The most important region in the world right now is the Middle East and North Africa region, that's where most of the wars and active conflicts are. They already don't trust the P5, how would adding Modi make them trust it more? I can't see how that would happen, if anything it would make them trust it less.

All a moot point of course. UNSC reform can't happen without the support of every single P5 member (with no exceptions).

And China, Russia and America have already made it plain that they do not support any "change or extension" to the veto powers, so it's essentially dead in the water.

UN represents all countries that are member to it. And five countries deciding on entire world and vetoing others aspirations is no longer acceptable, be it in Middle east or North Africa or any where in the world.

For all the power they possess at UN, each of these P5 countries are more interested playing one-upmanship than working towards a better world. Hence the conflicts in the world you see today.

For this reason it has become important to include other responsible members to level the field as well as laying credence to motto of UN, that is bringing peace to the world.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

UN represents all countries that are member to it. And five countries deciding on entire world and vetoing others aspirations is no longer acceptable, be it in Middle east or North Africa or any where in the world.

For all the power they possess at UN, each of these P5 countries are more interested playing one-upmanship than working towards a better world.

Hence it has become important to include other responsible members to level the field as well as laying credence to motto of UN, that is bringing peace to the world.

If you guys have a problem with the veto power, why do you keep begging to have one yourself?

So it's only unfair as long as you don't have it?

 

[Osiris]

Regarding ANY major global issue. Whether Iran or North Korea.

People only talk about the P5 + 1. Just check any International Media outlet. They never mention India, only the P5 + 1, colloquially known as the "Great powers".

Sorry, if you were as important as you think you are, you would have already been included when you asked for it a decade ago.

You weren't even permitted in United Nations for first 22 years of your existence despite as you say consistent begging and then one fine day..you suddenly found your self in UNSC... why? You think you suddenly became very important to the world?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You weren't even permitted in United Nations for first 22 years of your existence despite as you say consistent begging and then one fine day..you suddenly found your self in UNSC... why? You think you suddenly became very important to the world?

Alright fine, I agree with the Indian President:

India to become superpower by 2012: President Kalam - Economic Times

India is a superpower already, and they will get the veto power tomorrow.

Happy? Now wait another decade and ask me why you still haven't got it, that will be an interesting conversation.

Sadly you guys still don't understand basic geopolitics. All nations work for their own national self-interest, none of the P5 are going to dilute their own veto power for no reason, or put their own resolutions at the mercy of being vetoed by yet another country.

 

[Panther 57]

For discussion sake, dont you think it is unfair for 5 countries to hold veto power, when the organisation is called UN. It is a forum where all the countries should be equal. And if at all VETO has to rest with a selected group then what is the criterion. Is it being nuclear power, if so then all declared nuclear power should have this authority. Induction of people in UN should be based on population ratio, why there is discrimination in recruitment of UN staff. Why tax deducted from UN staff is sent to US? There are so many factors which raise questions on neutrality of UN.

 

[protest]

If you guys have a problem with the veto power, why do you keep begging to have one yourself?

So it's only unfair as long as you don't have it?

Its Unfair? How so? India is asking for reform. How that reform is going to play out is for anybody guess. It will come out after repetitive negotiations with all the countries involved in UN. If that resolution comes out with Veto to India, then good for India. But any solution should be fair to all the countries involved not just to P5 who are accustomed to playing politics than keeping peace.

 

[Dragon4]

If you guys have a problem with the veto power, why do you keep begging to have one yourself?

So it's only unfair as long as you don't have it?

Time will tell if China agrees for expansion or not but pity on you, being a Chinese your opinion doesnt count anywhere in China. So just keep posting and crying here but no one gives a single d2mn

 

[Secret Service]

For discussion sake, dont you think it is unfair for 5 countries to hold veto power, when the organisation is called UN. It is a forum where all the countries should be equal. And if at all VETO has to rest with a selected group then what is the criterion. Is it being nuclear power, if so then all declared nuclear power should have this authority. Induction of people in UN should be based on population ratio, why there is discrimination in recruitment of UN staff. Why tax deducted from UN staff is sent to US? There are so many factors which raise questions on neutrality of UN.

veto power itself is unfair..

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

For discussion sake, dont you think it is unfair for 5 countries to hold veto power, when the organisation is called UN. It is a forum where all the countries should be equal. And if at all VETO has to rest with a selected group then what is the criterion. Is it being nuclear power, if so then all declared nuclear power should have this authority. Induction of people in UN should be based on population ratio, why there is discrimination in recruitment of UN staff. Why tax deducted from UN staff is sent to US? There are so many factors which raise questions on neutrality of UN.

Sure. But geopolitics is all about countries working for their own national self-interests.

And the way the UN charter was written, it needs the express support of 100% of the P5 members for any amendment/reform to be possible. So obviously the P5 aren't going to give up their own power, despite people asking for it for decades now.

Then you have strange cases like India, where they cry about how unfair the P5 is, then in the next sentence start begging to be a P5 member.

Frankly the only way to change this would be to create a competitor organization to the UN, and get the majority of countries to leave the UN and join the other one instead. America is the only one who has enough influence to do that right now, and they have been thinking about it for a while, it's all worked out in theory but hasn't been implemented yet. (Of course they will still have veto power in this new organization).

 

[Osiris]

Alright fine, I agree with the Indian President:

India to become superpower by 2012: President Kalam - Economic Times

India is a superpower already, and they will get the veto power tomorrow.

Happy? Now wait another decade and ask me why you still haven't got it, that will be an interesting conversation.

Sadly you guys still don't understand basic geopolitics. All nations work for their own national self-interest, none of the P5 are going to dilute their own veto power for no reason, or put their own resolutions at the mercy of being vetoed by yet another country.

Sadly for you, you think, only opinion of those holding veto power matters.
IF UN general assembly passes the UN reform resolution then none of the P 5 will veto it .

US, Russia, UK , France for obvious reasons, for they have already given assurances ..can't very well publicly veto it now.

And China for the fact, it will not be willing to singled out, made to look like the bad guy, act against the world opinion.

 

[Panther 57]

Sure. But geopolitics is all about countries working for their own national self-interests.

And the way the UN charter was written, it needs the express support of 100% of the P5 members for any amendment/reform to be possible. So obviously the P5 aren't going to give up their own power, despite people asking for it for decades now.

Then you have strange cases like India, where they cry about how unfair the P5 is, then in the next sentence start begging to be a P5 member.

Frankly the only way to change this would be to create a competitor organization to the UN, and get the majority of countries to leave the UN and join the other one instead. America is the only one who has enough influence to do that right now, and they have been thinking about it for a while, it's all worked out in theory but hasn't been implemented yet. (Of course they will still have veto power in this new organization).

Phongyo
rightly worded and pointed out. Don't under estimate your country. If today China and Russia takes this initiative, I am sure many quite countries will embrace this proposal. US will then lose its monopoly and a more balanced forum will come up.

veto power itself is unfair..

This is what i also mentioned, it should not be there.

 

[Donald Trump]

Uh, how will letting Modi sit at the P5 table bring any credibility at all? He's literally the only leader there who is primarily known for mass murder (of Indian Muslims), how will that bring credibility for the P5?

If anything that will cause the P5 to lose further credibility in the Muslim world, where the conflict zones primarily are.

In any case we already have the P5 + 1, and the extra one is Germany.

Your logic is pretty lopsided. What 'credibility' are you talking about? Have you forgotten the genocide and mass murder by the U.S. in Iraq where more than 60,000 innocent men women and children - Iraqi Muslims - were killed in Operation Shock and Awe? That included UK too which was part of the coalition. And the human rights violations committed by the US in Afghanistan? What about its credibility?

And you talk of Germany? How about the mass murder and genocide of Jews in their millions?

So WTF are you getting at? Conveniently forgetting US, British and German atrocities? Stop clutching at straws to try and paint Modi in bad light. No one is lily white in this world.

And for your info, the Supreme Court of India has absolved Modi of all such charges.

'Mass murderer' my a$$!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Phongyo
rightly worded and pointed out. Don't under estimate your country. If today China and Russia takes this initiative, I am sure many quite countries will embrace this proposal. US will then lose its monopoly and a more balanced forum will come up.

Well we have created the SCO and the AIIB, however neither of these were meant to replace the UN.

Pretty much every country in the world today is a part of the UN, and it is a recognized as having authority in international law. To build an organization that can compete with that... that would be pretty tough. Even America is wary about trying it.

So WTF are you getting at? Conveniently forgetting US, British and German atrocities? Stop clutching at straws to try and paint Modi in bad light. No one is lily white in this world.

My point, obviously was that credibility is not a factor, and even if it was... Modi would be the last one to increase the credibility of the P5.

The only factor in being a part of the P5 was to have been a major independent power on the Allied side of WW2. Nothing else.

India was not a country back then, so that's why they weren't included.