Referendum in Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan

[unbiasedopinion]

I am from Muzafferabad and proudly called myself nationalist Pakistani. My family migrated from Jammu to Sialkot in 1947 and in 1951 shifted in Azad Kashmir.

As a nationalist Pakistani, I am not satisfy with Pakistani policy regarding Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan (Pakistani state still living in 1947-48 Erra as far as AJK and GB is concerned ) and firmly believe that status co policy towards these area will prove very dangerous for Pakistan national interest becuase Pro independent people in Azad Kashmir gaining momentum day by day and within few years they will become majority in Azad Kashmir and they will push same sentiments in Gilgit Baltistan within 15-20 years . ( currently 30% people in AJK and 2% people in Gilgit Baltistan support independent Kashmir )

Pakistan have to take some steps if Pak wanted to secure Pakistani interests in these areas. Pakistan should hold referendum in these areas immediately under the supervision of OIC , Referendum will not only secure Pakistan strategic interests in these area but will also provide moral victory to Pakistan in front of civilized world .

I am not fluent in English so sorry in advance for my grammar . PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

Since you yourself admit your moved from places before settling down in Muzzafferabad, similarly there must be many who have moved to GB and PaK who were not native of Kashmir and now have settled in those parts of the lands hence the actual value of referendum does not make any sense now as there is no way to know who were the native of that part in 1948 when the referendum point was discussed. Also as per UN ruling (binding), PAL forces are occupied forces and have to remove their troops first and then IA will keep minimum for maintaining peace and order and then (non binding) referendum. You are free to read the actual resolution of UN which anyways no longer applicable as a whole due to change in demography at pakistan side.

 

[SingHee]

Another one.

 

[Reddington]

I don't know about Baltistan but Gilgitis definitely hate Kashmiris (of Srinagar valley) probably for centuries, it is deep rooted hatred in them against Kashmiris of IOK. But for some strange reasons the souther parts of Gilgit regions, that is Astore is very Kashmiri-philic because of heavy influence of Kashmiri culture on them whereas regions west and north of Astore have always been Kashmiri-phobic. In old times Kashmir (Srinagar valley) was dominant kingdom of this area and ancestors of Dards (Gilgit, Chilas etc.) used to pay tribute to Kings of Srinagar valley for most part of their history. In fact according to some old histories of Kashmir, the Kashmiri royal army in ancient times often used to abduct "beautiful white girls" from the regions of Gilgit/Baltistan during their raids and bring them as booty back to Kashmir valley, conversely the Dards (Gilgitis) also used to make raids on the northern frontiers of Kashmir valley throughout the history. So people of Kashmir valley and that of Gilgit region had a rivalry since ancient times. No wonder Gilgitis hate Kashmiris and don't want to be part of any "Kashmiri identity" . Another fact is that Shiaism that is practiced in Gilgit-Baltistan was spread there by "Kashmiri Shias" who were a failure back in Kashmir valley but proved to be very successful in northern lands.

Baltis too don't like to be associated with Kashmir. My best friends during my uni days were Baltis from Skardu. And they want GB to be part of Pakistan formally so that GB can be developed. And if not then at least have the same status that AJK has.

But unfortunately our coward governments for last 70 years haven't done anything. Thinking that there will be a plebiscite one day. Now that India has revoked Article 370, now is the best time to make GB part of Pakistan formally just like FATA.

 

[Umar Nazir]

Not commenting on idea but do you think World will care?... The whole world know how free and fair elections happen in Pakistan.

well there is huge difference between election and referendum and referendum will be held under 3rd party supervision. Let me remind you that world also knew that who were real people of Australia and New Zealand and how white people occupy these territories illegally during colonial rule

Since you yourself admit your moved from places before settling down in Muzzafferabad, similarly there must be many who have moved to GB and PaK who were not native of Kashmir and now have settled in those parts of the lands hence the actual value of referendum does not make any sense now as there is no way to know who were the native of that part in 1948 when the referendum point was discussed. Also as per UN ruling (binding), PAL forces are occupied forces and have to remove their troops first and then IA will keep minimum for maintaining peace and order and then (non binding) referendum. You are free to read the actual resolution of UN which anyways no longer applicable as a whole due to change in demography at pakistan side.

If u read carefully, My family belong to Jammu, in 1947 RSS terrorist killed more than 5 lakh Muslims in Jammu and rest forced to migrate to Pakistan including my family. When Azad Kashmir become free , My grand father moved to Muzafferabad because originally we were belong to state of jammu and Kashmir. So my family only spent 4 year as refugee out of the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

you cant find even a single non STATE family who live permanently in Pakistani Kashmir, on the other hand more than 25 lakh people of Jammu still living in Pakistani Punjab happily as equal citizen of Pakistan. As far as UNO resolutions is concerned, UNO commissioner appointed for referendum clearly write in his report that its India who creating hurdle in the way of free and fair referendum

 

[American Pakistani]

No that's wont work India will ask to do only Under the supervision UN then what would do then and didn't we lose our narrative on IOK and Israel and India is almost same they didn't care much about international laws much and remember the history bro Nehru promises that we will do fair referendum in IOK under the supervision of UN and then they forget this promise @Umar Nazir

I'm saying the same exact thing but I don't know why is it so difficult for you to understand.

Referendum should be,
Administered by,
Pakistan
United Nations
SCO
OIC

Monitored by,
China
Turkeye
US
EU
GCC
Russia
Iran
Some friendly south Asian countries like Nepal, Srilanka
International observers
Media personal including from India but only the sane voices like Arundhati Roy. For neutral Indian Barkha Dutt should be ok.

My point is we need to solve Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan so it is off the UN and international press. The move will throw india on back foot. India will come under enormous pressure. The Kashmiri resistence will become justified. Kashmiris in IOK will have a new energy. The attention will be exclusively on IOK. India attacking Azad Kashmir will be seen as aggression on Pakistan. And many more benefits.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I'm saying the same exact thing but I don't know why is it so difficult for you to understand.

Referendum should be,
Administered by,
Pakistan
United Nations
SCO
OIC

Monitored by,
China
Turkeye
US
EU
GCC
Russia
Iran
Some friendly south Asian countries like Nepal, Srilanka
International observers
Media personal including from India but only the sane voices like Arundhati Roy. For neutral Indian Barkha Dutt should be ok.

And what for if India will not this for IOK then @American Pakistani

 

[American Pakistani]

And what for if India will not this for IOK then @American Pakistani

Read the complete post that I posted.

The main achievement for Pakistan will be to solve Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan forever from disputed status, and prevent its people from getting exploited by enemies. Else it will become another Balochistan.

Bharti terrorists today are saying we want talks only on Azad Kashmir. Soon the world will start supporting this narrative of theirs. Pakistan don't have much time. Currently it is Pakistan which due to its stupidities of people and govts is on defensive mode despite of bharti genocide on Kashmir.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

at the moment more than 90% people (AJK+ GB + kashmiri Refugees in Pakistan) will vote in favor of Pakistan.


IN SHA ALLAH they will never be succeeded but why keep opening any door for them, time has come to shut it permanently.

Who are these 10%???

 

[Azadkashmir]

how bout investing in azad Kashmiri instead of treating it like your second wife.
**** india bitch we dont want to be ruled by a bunch of naked barbrians.

 

[Umar Nazir]

Who are these 10%???

Kashmiri Nationalist

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Kashmiri Nationalist

Pandits? Are there Hindus still in your Kashmir?

 

[American Pakistani]

how bout investing in azad Kashmiri instead of treating it like your second wife.
**** india bitch we dont want to be ruled by a bunch of naked barbrians.

Kashmiris in UK have tons of money even here in US they have businesses. One of the biggest bakery industry and supplier is Kashmir Crown Bakery. So these rich Kashmiris should invest in Azad Kashmir and export it to UK and US. This will benefit those Kashmiris too who are going to get jobs in such investments. This will also help increase the influence of Kashmiris in UK US and internationally.

 

[Clearly]

Pakistan has nothing to hide when it comes to AJK and GB. Anyone can go and live there for months with all their cameras and record all they want.

My question for referendum is this, Indian government is shameless and will not accept any call for referendum because they know IOK will vote against them. Having said that, would they vote for being with Pak? There is no guarantee so that puts even AJK at risk. Why do we need a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist i.e. holding referendum in AJK, when there is no issue.

At the end of the day people should have choice to do what they want. Kashmir is still a hot topic due to IOKs situation and brutalities but we are dealing with a rigid nation thats got its eyes shut. They are never going to give choice to people of IOK to choose. That’s the reality of it. In 65 IOK locals refused to support Pakistan, so that also puts us in a difficult position. We are doing so much lobbying for the cause but do they even want to be with Pak? If not, are we waiting for Kashmir to become an independent country? I dont care if my country’s borders dont expand, but I dont want AJK and GB region to be put at risk, they are one of best regions and pride of Pakistan.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Kashmiris in UK have tons of money even here in US they have businesses. One of the biggest bakery industry and supplier is Kashmir Crown Bakery. So these rich Kashmiris should invest in Azad Kashmir and export it to UK and US. This will benefit those Kashmiris too who are going to get jobs in such investments. This will also help increase the influence of Kashmiris in UK US and internationally.

firs throw out the greedy pigs that take azadkashmir jobs from education, airport, business sector and so on. No azad Kashmiri benefits from these cunts and they have no jobs but outsiders who just leech.

 

[American Pakistani]

firs throw out the greedy pigs that take azadkashmir jobs from education, airport, business sector and so on. No azad Kashmiri benefits from these cunts and they have no jobs but outsiders who just leech.

Nobody but Kashmiris can do that.