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Why do we continue to ignore China's rise? Arrogance

History is passing our country and our continent by. Once we were the centre of the world, the place from where power, ideas and the future emanated. If we drew a map of the world, Europe was at its centre. That was how it was for 200 years. No more. The world is tilting on its axis in even more dramatic style than when Europe was on the rise. We are witnessing the greatest changes the world has seen for more than two centuries. We are barely aware of the fact. And therein lies the problem.

I vividly recall when the first edition of my book When China Rules the World was published almost three years ago. At the many talks I gave, I showed a Goldman Sachs chart that projected that the Chinese economy would overtake the US economy in size in 2027. Invariably someone would point out this was only a projection, that the future was never an extrapolation of the past, that it was most unlikely the forecast would come to pass and certainly not in this time frame. No one suggested that the projection underestimated the date, even though the western financial crisis was already almost a year old.

The latest Economist projection suggests China will overtake America in 2018. So why are we – and Europe – so far behind the curve? Why do we insist on living in a world that was rather than is? Why are we so out of touch with both the speed and import of China's rise?

Our ascendancy of the past two centuries – first Europe and then the US – has bred a western-centric mentality: the west is the fount of all wisdom. We think of ourselves as open-minded but our sense of superiority has closed our minds. We never entertained the idea that China could surpass the US. Backward, lacking democracy, bereft of Enlightenment principles, the product of a very different history, it was not western. So how could it? We were the universal model that everyone else had to embrace to succeed. The only form of modernisation that worked was westernisation. China would inevitably fail: the project was unsustainable. By insisting on seeing China through a western prism, we refused to understand China in its own terms. Our arrogance bred ignorance: we were not even curious.

China is, indeed, in so many ways, not like the west. It is not even primarily a nation state but a civilisation state. Whereas the west has primarily been shaped by its experience of nation, China has been moulded by its sense of civilisation. This helps to explain why the Chinese place such a huge emphasis on unity and stability, their reverence for the state and their embrace of ideas such as "one country, two systems" in Hong Kong. Similarly, unlike Europe, China never sought to acquire overseas colonies but established a tribute system in east Asia. The Chinese state bears a fundamentally different relationship to society compared with any western state. The state is seen as an intimate, as a member of the family, rather than, as in western discourse, a problem, a threat, or even the enemy. For the Chinese, the state is the embodiment of its civilisation: as such, it could not be more important, it lies at the heart of the Chinese pysche.

It is impossible to understand or make sense of China through a western prism. As China becomes a great power and, over the next two decades, steadily usurps America as the dominant global power, we will no longer have any alternative but to abandon our western parochialism and seek to understand China on its own terms. But the shift in mindset that faces us is colossal.

What does it mean to be a civilisation state? What was the tributary system and how will it shape China's future behaviour? Why is China's idea and experience of race so different from ours? Just as every non-western country was compelled during the 19th and 20th centuries to understand the west in its own terms, it is now our turn to make sense of a country so different from our own.

It will be a Herculean task: we always look west, hardly ever east. When Bo Xilai, a leading contender for one of China's top positions, was dismissed more than a week ago, it received little attention in our media even though it was the most important event of its kind for more than two decades. Compare, if you will, the attention, devoted by the British media – notably the BBC and quality newspapers – to the Republican primaries with that given to China in the build-up to the Communist party congress in November, when President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao will be replaced by Xi Jinping and Li Keqiang. The latter is of far greater consequence yet the coverage is paltry in comparison.

We have an enormous China deficit that urgently needs addressing. It is replicated throughout our culture; there has been much talk of promoting Mandarin in our schools and yet, in both the state and private sectors, pitifully few offer it as a serious option. Our economy exhibits the same morbid symptoms: Britain exports more to Ireland than it does to China, India, Russia and Brazil combined. Unless we address these questions, we face the prospect of being sidelined by history.

China's remarkable economic growth started in 1978, but as its economy was then only a 20th the size of America's, its global impact was minuscule. By the turn of the century, however, after more than two decades of double-digit growth, the Chinese economy was more like a quarter of the size of America's, with the consequence that its global effect was of an entirely different order. The story, moreover, was no longer simply about China because by then its rise had begun to transform the world. Only with the financial crisis in 2008, however, did the west finally begin to wake up to the implications.

Although countless commentators speak lazily of the global financial crisis, this is a misnomer. A visit to Beijing will soon dispel the illusion. The place is brimming with energy, elan, confidence and brio. While the west is mired in austerity and stagnation, with a psychology to match, China is riding an extraordinary wave of optimism. In 2010, according to a Pew poll, 91% of Chinese felt good about their country's economy compared with 24% in the US and 20% in Britain. While most western economies are still smaller than they were before 2008, the Chinese economy has been growing in the region of 9-10% a year. That is why it will overtake the US almost a decade earlier than previously predicted.

2008 ushered in a new era, the beginning of a Chinese world economic order. Until recently the US largely shaped globalisation but now China is increasingly assuming that role. Its most dramatic expression is trade. China will shortly become the world's largest trading nation. It imports huge amounts of natural resources and exports a massive volume of manufactured goods: in 2011, it overtook the US to become the world's largest producer of manufactured goods, a position America had previously held for 110 years. In 1990, there was hardly a country in the world for which China was its chief trading partner. By 2000, there were a few, but nearly all were in east Asia. By 2010 the list stretched around the world, including Japan, South Africa, Australia, Chile, Brazil, India, Pakistan, the US and Egypt. Imagine how long the list will be in 2020.

China is rapidly emerging as a great financial power. In 2009 and 2010 the China Development Bank and the China Exim Bank – which I would guess the great majority of Observer readers have never even heard of – lent more to the developing world than the World Bank. Just as the Rothschilds funded much of Europe's industrialisation in the 19th century, so these two banks are now doing the same on a far larger canvas, namely the entire developing world, comprising 85% of the world's population. Meanwhile, in late 2008, China began making the renminbi, hitherto a currency that circulated only in China, available for the settlement of trade. The HSBC has predicted that by 2013-15 half of China's trade with the developing world (which constitutes more than half of China's total trade) will be paid for in renminbi. It is the first stage in the process by which the renminbi will replace the dollar as the world's dominant currency.

The centre of gravity of the global economy is remorselessly shifting from the developed to the developing world. China is the main player and the outcome will be the rapidly declining influence of the developed world and the reconstitution of all major global institutions, notably the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, to reflect this.

Pause for a moment and think what it feels like to be in Beijing these days. The place is on fire. It is alive with argument and debate. A country growing at 10% a year is constantly throwing up huge and novel problems that require response and solution. It is a far cry from Britain mired in stagnation, where debate rarely ever breaks new ground and for the most part is backdated. In contrast, China is not only remaking itself with extraordinary speed, but is also remaking the world. Beijing resembles London in 1850 or Washington in 1950, but on an epic scale. It is the most interesting and stimulating city in the world.

I spent much of last autumn as a visiting professor at Tsinghua University in Beijing. My stay was a whirl of talks and discussions. Far from the western image of China being devoid of debate, Beijing is positively throbbing with it. And it is extraordinarily open-minded and open-ended. I was invited to give a lecture at the ministry of foreign affairs to around 100 young diplomats at which I suggested that a foreign policy based on Deng Xiaoping's principles was no longer appropriate: a new approach was required that reflected Chinese growing global interests while also drawing on its history. Far from being taken aback, those present entered into a vigorous discussion. These debates, furthermore, are infused with huge significance. As China becomes a great global power they will shape its future policies and priorities – and thereby the world.

One might think that in such times, and with such glittering prospects, China would be full of hubris, bordering even on arrogance. On the contrary, the opposite is the case. The Chinese are still deeply preoccupied with the colossal problems that confront a still poor and developing country of 1.3 billion people. Inequality has soared, sowing the seeds of growing resentment against the rich; land seizures, as events in Wukan recently demonstrated, provide a continuing threat to social stability; massive corruption is corroding the sense of justice and fairness. While possessed of the kind of inner confidence and experience that comes from being the heirs of a great civilisation, the Chinese have no illusions about where they have got to and the tasks that lie ahead.

In November, the Communist party will hold its 18th congress. It will elect a new leadership for the next 10 years during which time China will undergo profound change. Already, there is a major shift under way in economic priorities from low value-added production and massive exports towards higher-end production and domestic consumption. During the next decade we can expect important political reforms.

In Britain, meanwhile, China will continue to receive scant coverage. But, kicking and screaming, forever looking backwards to the age of the west, we will, nevertheless, be dragged into the age of China. Time waits for no country. Over the next decade, we will increasingly come under China's spell.

It is worth reminding ourselves that last October, when the future of the euro was in grave doubt, European leaders pleaded with China to extend a huge loan. Britain is also broke and needs Chinese money for its infrastructure projects. There will be a growing clamour to learn Mandarin. And, as yet hardly recognised, we will find ourselves coming under the growing influence of Chinese soft power, be it the influence of Chinese parenting or the country's stellar educational performance. China will irresistibly shape our future.

Why do we continue to ignore China's rise? Arrogance | World news | The Observer
 
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I hope they continue to ignore China's rise. We need to follow Deng's 24 character strategy (冷静观察, 站稳脚跟, 沉着应付, 韬光养晦, 善于守拙, 绝不当头) and maintain a low profile. I've been worried lately by the high-profile incidents.
 
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We have many problems remaining, some of which are directly caused by the neoliberal market policies put in place that could be easily remedied, but are not, as their solution would result in the loss of profit for certain groups. Social progressives and the left have suffered greatly in the past 2 years after 7 years of advances.

My question is, will Chinese civilization survive modernization, or are we going to be just another Americanized mirage like Japan?
 
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Is U.S. still No. 1? Power, influence in question

NEW YORK — Anyone worried about an erosion of America's global status might consider this modest fact: Facebook is the dominant social network in Mongolia.

Along with its pervasive social media, the United States leads in myriad other ways — from the allure of its movies and music to the reach of its military. It's tough to match a nation that deploys troops to Australia and central Africa, propels Beyoncé to global stardom, and produced the Twitter-style technologies that abetted the Arab Spring.

“American entrepreneurs are defining the digital age,” said Harald Leibrecht, the German government's coordinator for U.S. relations. “And when looking for the ‘next big thing,' we very much expect it to come from over the Atlantic as well.”

So what's with all the talk about America in decline? There seems to be a forest's worth of recent books raising that possibility, with gloomy titles such as “That Used to be Us.” Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney suggested that President Barack Obama considers the U.S. “just another nation.”

Abroad, foreign policy experts are following this discussion with a mix of bemusement and concern. A dozen of them, in nine countries on five continents, shared their thoughts with The Associated Press — agreeing that the U.S. stands alone as a global superpower, yet perceiving an array of weaknesses that could undermine its stature as numerous emerging powers seek a bigger role on the world stage.

Cited most often: the partisan political gridlock in Washington — viewed as hindering efforts to tackle other long-term problems.

“Some U.S. vulnerabilities are quite obvious,” said Dmitri Trenin, a Russian expert on diplomatic and security policy, in an email from Moscow. “The issue of debt ... too loose financial regulation, social inequality which is punishing America's middle class.”

Trenin, director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, predicted the U.S. will nonetheless remain pre-eminent for decades, yet questioned the ability of America's political elite to interpret and respond wisely to global developments.

“This is not always impressive, and some comments made on the election stump are downright depressing,” he said.

Narushige Michishita, a professor at Tokyo's National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies and adviser to Japan's government on security issues, views the debate in the U.S. over its global stature as a sign of insecurity. He says it has prompted to Japan to look to other strategic partners to bolster its position in Asia.

“It is clear in relative terms that the U.S. is starting to decline in comparison with China,” said Michishita. “As U.S. commitment and influence starts to decline ... it is inevitable China will expand.”

China, for all its size and rapid economic growth, is decades away from any plausible claim to equal stature. The U.S. dollar is still the world reserve currency of choice, and America will have far higher per capita income even when China — with more than four times as many people — eventually claims the world's largest economy.

Nonetheless, the latest global attitudes survey by the Pew Research Center, conducted last year, found that a majority of respondents in 15 of 22 nations believed China either will replace or already has replaced U.S. as the leading superpower. This view was especially prevalent in Western Europe — for example, held by 72 percent of French people.

Among Americans, the percentage saying that China will eventually overshadow or has already overshadowed the U.S. increased from 33 percent in 2009 to 46 percent in 2011.

What do China's experts say? The Chinese Academy of Social Science's Comprehensive National Power index — which weighs natural resources, population demographics, and military, scientific and economic strength — ranks the U.S. first and China at No. 7.

By some other measures, China fares worse — it places 101st in the United Nations' latest Human Development Index ranking countries according to life expectancy, educational attainment and income. The U.S. placed fourth after Norway, Australia and the Netherlands.

To some in China, the self-doubts in the U.S. seem overblown.

“The U.S. has a strong sense of crisis,” said Zhu Feng, an international affairs expert at Peking University who frequently travels to the U.S.

Zhu's advice, when it comes to talk of China surpassing the U.S.: Don't believe the hype. By almost every measure, he notes, China still lags behind. It is investing billions in cutting-edge research, yet innovative spirit may at times be restrained by an oppressive political climate and a culture which values hierarchy and conformity.

“China is an adolescent power,” Zhu said. “The most important lesson is to learn how to be a great power.”

The United States has spent much of its existence learning how to be a great power — culminating with the post-Cold War era in which no single nation could rival it.

Yet the Republican presidential candidates often criticize Obama for what they perceive as a reluctance to embrace America's uniqueness.

One comment they seized on: Obama saying he believed in American exceptionalism, “just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.”

Another challenged remark, regarding the need to invest in infrastructure:

“We used to have the best stuff. Anybody been to Beijing Airport lately?” Obama said. “Well, we've lost our ambition, our imagination, and our willingness to do the things that built the Golden Gate Bridge and Hoover Dam.”

Said Romney, during a campaign debate, “We have a president right now who thinks America's just another nation.” GOP rival Newt Gingrich, author of a book titled “A Nation Like No Other,” has made American exceptionalism a centerpiece of his campaign.

Obama has been blunt in rebuttal.

“Anyone who tells you that America is in decline or that our influence has waned, doesn't know what they're talking about,” he said in his State of the Union speech.

The polemics have had a stimulus effect on at least one economic sector — a booming mini-industry of books engaging in the debate.

The titles often tell the tale: “The Post-American World” by journalist Fareed Zakaria; “That Used to Be Us” by New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman and foreign policy professor Michael Mandelbaum; “No One's World” by international affairs expert Charles Kupchan.

Friedman and Mandelbaum argue that the U.S. can recover its greatness, but only by aggressively tackling such challenges as globalization, budget deficits and excessive energy consumption.

Kupchan, a Georgetown University professor, argues that the dominance of the U.S. — and the West as a whole — is weakening in tandem with the rise of China, India, Brazil and other emerging powers.

“We're headed to a world for the first time in history that will be interdependent, globalized but without a political anchor,” Kupchan told Book TV. “Most of the 21st century won't have a dominant player.”

Even within the U.S. government, there's acknowledgment that America risks losing its edge in some sectors.

A Commerce Department report released in January said the economy's scientific and technological foundations have been eroding at a time when many other nations are growing stronger.

“In short, some elements of the U.S. economy are losing their competitive edge, which may mean that future generations of Americans will not enjoy a higher standard of living than is enjoyed in the United States today,” the report warned.

The U.S. education system is slipping in some areas, such as students' training in math and science, according to the report. It said the U.S. is “lagging behind” in some vital aspects of 21st century infrastructure, such as broadband Internet access.

Another somber assessment came from a task force formed by the American Political Science Association — it concluded that America's global stature had “declined dramatically” over the past decade.

The task force chairman, Professor Jeffrey Legro of University of Virginia, said U.S. policymakers need to rethink budgetary priorities.

“All our money is going into entitlements,” Legro said. “We need a rediversion of money into other areas — things that provide for the future, not for the past.”

Across the U.S. border in Canada, Carleton University foreign policy professor Michael Hart has been keeping watch on the fiscal impasse in Washington.

“Obviously the U.S. is very divided on some very big policy issues, and that has some impact on its ability to exercise leadership in the rest of the world,” he said. “It undermines confidence that others have.”

As a Canadian, Hart has a close-up perspective on other U.S. strengths and weaknesses. America's health care system, for example, lacks the universal coverage that Canada and Western Europe offer, yet it remains a global role model for quality of care at the top end of the scale.

“If you're going to be sick and you can afford it, the U.S. is the place to be — for speed, for thoroughness,” Hart said. “In Canada, you have to wait. The best thing to do is call an ambulance, even if you don't need one — it moves you up the queue.”

Hart sees a similar dynamic with education, suggesting that Canada has more equitable outcomes for its K-through-12 students yet lacks any universities on par with the America's best.

Among America's other hemispheric neighbors, Brazil stands out with its booming economy, and its upcoming roles as host of the soccer World Cup and Summer Olympics.

Alexandre Fortes, a Brazilian labor historian currently at Duke University as a visiting professor, said there is some uncertainty among his compatriots as to how eagerly the U.S. will support Brazil's ascension.

“A lot depends on the U.S. learning that other countries have the right to follow their own path to development — and sometimes that may produce short-term conflict with U.S. interests,” Fortes said.

On his recent U.S. visits, Fortes has detected increasing inequality, political polarization and anxiety about the future.

“If the U.S. doesn't get back its capacity to fulfill the American dream on a more inclusive basis, it won't get back to playing a leading role, in a more positive way, globally.” he said. “I still think the U.S. will be the dominant power for a long time ... But which kind of future is it going to offer its own citizens in terms of social inclusiveness, good education, good health care?”

Aloisio Araujo, an economist at the Fundacao Getulio Vargas in Rio de Janeiro, noted that China is an increasingly important trade partner for Latin America.

“But in terms of values, and so many other dimensions, the United States is still the natural leader and will be for many decades to come,” he said.

In India, another emerging power, there's less awe of the U.S. than in the past, according to economist Rajiv Kumar of the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry.

“The U.S. star is seen to be falling not because the U.S. is weaker, but because there are other stars that are starting to shine,” he said.

America remains the strongest country, “but there's no need to say it,” Kumar said. “In fact, insisting on it is counterproductive.”

In February, Kumar and other foreign policy experts released a report arguing that India should maintain its philosophy of nonalignment, which it held throughout the Cold War, while tracking how U.S.-Chinese relations evolve.

“Why should India align with either one of them?” Kumar asked. “They're like two drunken sailors leaning against the same lamppost ... You don't know if you should join them, help one or the other, or just stay out of the way.”

Across much of South Asia and the Middle East, views of the United States are colored by its military struggles in Iraq and Afghanistan, says Kamran Bokhari, a Toronto-based analyst who often travels to the region for his work with the global intelligence company Stratfor.

“I get the sense that elites in that region think the days when the U.S. could impose itself and its policies are a thing of the past,” Bokhari said.

“They look at the past 10 years — all this time the U.S. was obsessed with al-Qaida while in fact the Arab world was moving in a completely different direction. This unrest (the Arab Spring) didn't come out of nowhere, and yet the U.S. dismissed it.”

On the cultural front, in contrast, the U.S. remains an unrivaled powerhouse — movies, pop music, TV shows enjoy vast popularity.

The founder of South Africa's annual Cape Town Jazz Festival, Rashid Lombard, devotes half the showtime to African performers, the rest to international musicians. And every year, he says, “the U.S. is way ahead.”

It's not just the artists; Lombard hails the American institutions that groom and showcase talent. He directs students to the Boston's Berklee College of Music, hopes to develop a partnership with Lincoln Center, and arranges for Cape Town music students to work via video link with students at The Juilliard School in New York.

If artists around the world are catching up, it's because of American generosity, Lombard said. “So much has been shared with the rest of the world.”

Among America's longtime trans-Atlantic partners, the dominant policy concern for now is the European Union's tumultuous debt crisis, yet there's also apprehension that the U.S. might scale back its global role in ways that could impact Europe.

Alexandra de Hoop Scheffer, a professor at the Institute of Political Studies in Paris and director of the Paris office of the U.S.-based German Marshall Fund, said she and her peers were struck by the U.S. decision to pass up a dominating role last year in NATO's military intervention in Libya.

One result, she said, is uncertainty about who in the West will assert leadership in future crises.

“We understand that the United States is going through difficult economic period. We are, too,” she said. “We're in a strange transitional time, where both sides of the Atlantic are expecting the other side to take more responsibility and leadership on the international scene.”

In Germany, foreign policy expert Josef Braml has joined the publishing boomlet with a new book titled, “The American Patient: What the Looming Collapse of the USA Means to the World.”

Braml, who analyses the U.S. for the German Council on Foreign Relations, says America is not on the brink of a free fall, but needs to break its political deadlock to grapple with problems in education, energy policy and other sectors.

“Deep down, Americans know that they have huge economic problems,” Braml said. “They are not so sure if their children are better off than themselves ... Some people already talk of a lost generation.”

He also said America's ventures in the Middle East had tarnished its image as a bastion of human rights through its support of authoritarian regimes and its sometimes harsh treatment of detainees.

“Europe still sees the U.S. as a world leader, and doesn't want to see that America is getting a lot weaker,” Braml said. “Maybe we don't want to see it because that means we need to jump in.”

Harald Leibrecht, a member of Germany's parliament as well as the government's coordinator for U.S. relations, agrees with Braml that America is in a funk.

“Traveling in the U.S. these days, one gets the impression that the famous American optimism and the irrepressible belief in the promises of the American dream — characteristics for which we Germans have always greatly admired the Americans — have taken quite a knock recently,” he said.

But he expects a rebound.

“Throughout its existence the U.S. has always reinvented itself and gotten out of a crisis stronger and better than before,” Leibrecht said. “I deeply believe it will be exactly the same this time.”

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120325/news/703259994/
 
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Does China have a truly global Navy yet? How about technologically controlling the skies and space? Is the yuan freely convertible?

All of these things need to happen first. Any thoughts on how long these will take?
 
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For a country that has 1/2 of US's GDP it is still called a 3rd world developing country by it's own leadership. Happy you found an article by someone in the US pumping that dream of being a superpower, but you will never be a superpower, just one of the global leaders. One has to understand what being a superpower entails. currently you being superbly out maneuvered by the US and surrounded.

Bottom line: You are called a 3rd world country by your own leaders and you as a people are considered intellectually immature to handle " reading" , " consuming" the free news by your own govt . How are you even thinking of approaching the S in superpower? This aint just JayAtl's impression about you, it's your OWN govt. saying it to the rest of us!
 
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Does China have a truly global Navy yet? How about technologically controlling the skies and space? Is the yuan freely convertible?

All of these things need to happen first. Any thoughts on how long these will take?

lol, buddy

common sense doesn't belong in this thread. :no:

Alll hail our new Chinese overlords :yahoo:
 
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Does China have a truly global Navy yet? How about technologically controlling the skies and space? Is the yuan freely convertible?

All of these things need to happen first. Any thoughts on how long these will take?
LOL China is the second biggest civilian shipbuilder in the world and second biggest military shipbuilder in the world. Our space technology is second in the world as well -- we have our own GPS and manned space station. Yuan will be freely convertible within 5 years, and the petro US dollar is going to crash and burn.
 
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Just how many aircraft carriers has China built itself till now? (Old Russian ships don't count.)

We are building our own carriers right now, that training carrier indeed doesn't count, even though only the hull was Soviet, the rest is Chinese.
 
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We are building our own carriers right now, that training carrier indeed doesn't count, even though only the hull was Soviet, the rest is Chinese.

Excellent.

I am sure China will grow stronger and better by the day, and I wish it luck. But it will be quite some time before it is ready to achieve the superpower mantle.

That is all I am saying.
 
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Just how many aircraft carriers has China built itself till now? (Old Russian ships don't count.)
Mate, we bought an empty hull and installed our own systems. She's a beauty..... the biggest non-US carrier in the world!

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Mate, we bought an empty hull and installed our own systems. She's a beauty..... the biggest non-US carrier in the world!...............

So the next "superpower" itself cannot build even the hull for an ACC yet?
 
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So the next "superpower" itself cannot build even the hull for an ACC yet?

We bought the hull in the 1990s just to study the basic layout structure of the aircraft carrier, since the hull was not heavily damaged, it can be re-used, so no need to waste it.

And China's indigenous carrier will resemble the US carrier, since it has its own AWAC which means the carrier must contain the catapult systems, whereas the ski-jump carrier is inferior which can't launch the AWAC.

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