Raymond Davis Case: LHC rules murder trial valid, rejects immunity from prosecution

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

We can also look at it this way----the american president has authorized american operators for pre-emptive strikes / assasinations---does it mean that the country in which the assasination takes place---has to abide by the u s law---now the americans may claim that as they are christians---thus closer to god---and by that virtue---their law supercedes any other law of the universe---and every other nation has to abide by that law and respect its enforcement and take it to be the word of god.

And why do you have to do that---because it is the law---. Pakistan is fortunate that Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain and Libya happened when they did----otherwise there would be other WORRIES for pakistan---.

Any grass eaters left in pakistan!!!!!



And worst of all----for some strange reason I feel like I am under the shadow of this giant PURPLE DINOSAUR----oh it is not that---actually----it is one of those LIGHT BULB SHINNING moments---senior members will be puplre now----gee thanks.

 

[MastanKhan]

No, you can't look at it that way because when Pakistan signed the Vienna Conventions their content became part of Pakistani law, over-riding everything else.

Dunno about that, but plenty of Kool-Aid drinkers, it seems.

Sir,

Vienna convention is fine and good----but we have issues when the american executioner in chief can roam freely in any street of the world without the due process of law---.

We stand by vienna convention and diplomats----but not for those who have been recruited through holding companies---and their only credentials are killers and executioners---.

We can't give america the carte blanche to destrroy whatever it wants in pakistan and operate how it wants to---at the end of the day---the americans will say---oh we are sorry----we didnot realize it that it happened that way and leave us holding the bag----.

We already are holdoing the bag for americas incompetence in the fight on the war on terror---an imbecile would have done a better job than what the americans have done.

looking at the results----it seems that the americans acted to intentionally get to this point----the wot was a fraudulent statement to deceive the world----but there were ulterior motives----was religion the motive of the born again christians and southern baptists---or the coming of the messiah----.

Davis got caught in a time warp and so did america---a blackhole of a kind that appeared from nowhere----.

Thanks to american foreign policy and millitary and non millitary actions----the moderate govt of pakistan is on the verge of collapse----and the right wingers and coalition are waiting on the sidelines to scoop in----what a master stroke america----what a genius.

 

[Kompromat]

Very interesting development.

Court rejects Davis

 

[Pak_Sher]

Davis isn't immune from prosecution; he's immune from Pakistani jurisdiction. Even at the lowest level of immunity people think he has, he can't be held in Pakistani custody during a criminal investigation.

Who is going to prosecute him the US, the US justice system is a joke. All the investiagtions of attrocities in Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2 and Afghanistan War have not produced squat. US Justice system is for whites, where whites with Cocaaine get 2 year in prison and a black with crack gets 10 years. Domocracy only for the US and US supports terrorism, dictatorships and tyrants all over the world.

Shah of Iran, Marcos of Phillipnes, Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Musharraf and Zia in Pakistan and .................

Raymond Davis needs to be prosecuted where he committed a crime and since he is a CIA contratcor and not a diplomat he will be judged by US principles, like they say in the US, "Liberty and Justice for All".

 

[Rafael]

No, you can't look at it that way because when Pakistan signed the Vienna Conventions their content became part of Pakistani law, over-riding everything else.

Dunno about that, but plenty of Kool-Aid drinkers, it seems.

Kool-Aid drinkers is not that bad after all considering a certain country has got Human Blood drinkers and that too in huge numbers.

 

[DV RULES]

Today there was interesting story from Indian media that President Obama can visit Pakistan over Davis case and to release him. Yes Obama has nothing to do with it & will make his magic appearance.

 

[VCheng]

from: ISI redefining terms of engagement with CIA | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: Incensed over the `shock revelation` about growing network of CIA spies in Pakistan, the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) is trying to redefine its terms of engagement with the American spy agency before any settlement of the row over immunity for Raymond Davis, the jailed US operative.

In an indication that Pakistan and the US were actively considering a review of parameters of their cooperation, the chief of the Office of (US) Defence Representative in Pakistan, Vice Admiral Michael LeFever for the first time attended monthly White House meeting recently through video teleconferencing.

The meeting reportedly discussed various options on the table for getting out of the stalemate, which has serious implications for the bilateral strategic relationship.

LeFever`s first appearance at the monthly White House meeting indicated that the Davis issue was now being handled mainly by the two militaries, even though American officials emphasise that it was strictly an issue for State Department to handle.

In Pakistan`s context, they broadly use the term `Government of Pakistan` while some others say `political reality is there` _ an indication that the Army was their main interlocutor.

US Ambassador Cameron Munter and LeFever have both been intensely involved in dealing with the diplomatic crisis after Davis`s arrest.

The Lahore High Court will resume its proceedings on March 14 for deciding the issue of immunity for Davis, where the government is expected to testify on his diplomatic status. But, sources suggest, the hearing will be preceded by a lot of `give and take` between the two sides and negotiations to that effect were already under way.

American sources also confirmed that communication was taking place at different levels to sort out different contentious issues, which although simmering for quite some time, have gained urgency following the Davis saga.

According to an official privy to the ongoing negotiations, the Davis issue, although still primary for the US, has been overtaken by other matters pertaining to working of the CIA in Pakistan, the operational freedom it (CIA) had been enjoying and more specifically its ties with the ISI. Davis`s fate, a source said, hinged to a large extent on the outcome of this CIA-ISI dialogue.

The ISI believes that it had been betrayed by the CIA. Although their complex relationship was always marred by mutual distrust, the ISI officials this time look particularly perturbed over the CIA reportedly developing its own network of undeclared spies and disregarding their institution and sacrifices of their colleagues, 300 of whom have been killed during the war on terror.

“There have been seven or eight major attacks on the ISI, whereas there has been only one on a CIA post in Khost,” an official said while comparing the brunt borne by the two spy outfits.

One of Pakistan`s demands at the talks between military and intelligence officials is a categorical assurance from the American spy agency for ending its undeclared activities and being transparent in its dealings with the ISI.

There were unconfirmed claims that the CIA in its bid to pacify the situation, which is deteriorating fast, has already started withdrawing into shell by removing some of its men from Pakistan and cutting certain questionable activities.

A senior military commander, speaking on background, however, said it was premature for him to say whether or not there was some forward movement.

Even as Pakistani officials claim that they were caught unawares about the CIA developing its network of spies and mounting undeclared operations, the Americans insist that Pakistanis were fully aware of the activities now being questioned.

Davis, revelation of whose CIA affiliation apparently caused the furore in Pakistani intelligence quarters, was declared by the US embassy as affiliated with Regional Affairs Office (RAO) in the registration request with the Foreign Office filed last year. The fact that the RAO is widely known to be linked to the CIA, therefore, raises questions as to why Pakistani security agencies couldn`t know who he was before the January 27 shooting incident in Lahore.

The lingering dispute, which has turned uglier with the public spat between the intelligence agencies of both countries, has started affecting their counter-terror cooperation.

A Pakistani general said the row had definitely impacted the Pak-US military-to-military relationship, because the ISI was a services intelligence agency and an extension of military. But, the brighter side, he maintained was that both sides continued to engage each other for resolving their disputes.

A senior American official seconded his view saying: “we are walking with the pebble in the shoe”.

Other sources, while trying to give an impression that military ties remained unhurt, pointed towards recent disbursement of $633 million in the Coalition Support Fund to Pakistan and delivery of long demanded night vision goggles. “We are now working on CSF disbursements for third and fourth quarter of 2010,” a source added.

While much of the media focus has been on the CIA and ISI washing their linen in public, sources say, disclosure about growing CIA network in Pakistan has further frayed civil-military ties in the country.

Military and officials are now questioning the grant of visas to some 450 Americans without any scrutiny allowing CIA spies to enter the country in great numbers.

At the same time, the ISI has also done a bit of soul-searching to find how they lost track of the CIA spies. This was followed by an internal reshuffle to express displeasure of the top brass, if not as part of fixing responsibility on the changed officials.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Sir,

Thanks to american foreign policy and millitary and non millitary actions----the moderate govt of pakistan is on the verge of collapse----and the right wingers and coalition are waiting on the sidelines to scoop in----what a master stroke america----what a genius.

Asking the current government to put new tax . increase POL price and cutting off budget support. Well this moderate government with extreme corruption has broke all the record of borrowing , Let see what happens in next IMF meeting. Raymond for loans

 

[VCheng]

from: Two US legal experts meet Davis | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

LAHORE: The US government has reportedly assigned two legal experts to defend Raymond Davis, being tried for killing two Pakistani youths in Lahore by an additional district and sessions court in Kot Lakhpat jail.

Sources said the legal experts had reached Pakistan a few days ago and met Davis in jail here on Saturday.

“Two persons namely Bruce Sward and Hollis Hollis had arrived in Pakistan a few days back so as to discuss the case with Raymond Davis and the US officials concerned in Pakistan,” Mr Alberto Rodriguez, spokesperson for the US Embassy in Islamabad, told this reporter on phone.

He said that the US experts, who would be returning home on Sunday (today), met Davis and discussed legal issues pertaining to his case. “Bruce and Hollis are the officials of the US Department of Justice and they had arrived in Pakistan just to meet Davis and the US authorities concerned here in Pakistan,” he said.

When asked whether the experts, prior to their return to the US, would meet heirs of the deceased to settle the matter by paying blood money, Mr Rodriguez said he had no information in this regard.

Meanwhile, Waseem Shamshad, brother of Faheem Shamshad, who was gunned down by Davis, told that they had heard about the arrival of some US officials/legal advisers in Pakistan. “Although we have heard that they will meet us, no-one has contacted us so far,” he added.

He said his family and the family of other deceased Faizan would never forgive the accused. “We just want Davis to be punished under the law because we will never forgive him at any cost,” Mr Waseem said.

Talking about a bank account to seek people`s financial help to fight the case, he said various donors had deposited Rs49,000 so far in the account jointly opened by the families of Faheem and Faizan.

Earlier talking to this reporter in Lahore, Davis`s lawyer Justice (Retd) Zahid Hussain Bukhari said although he had indirectly heard about the arrival of some American experts in Pakistan and their meeting with the accused, he was not consulted about the case.

 

[Awesome]

Amazing how all the LHC hearing dates are on dates when the Pakistan cricket matches are on/going to be on.

March 3, Mar 8, March 14, another will be announced for March 19 .

 

[VCheng]

Amazing how all the LHC hearing dates are on dates when the Pakistan cricket matches are on/going to be on.

March 3, Mar 8, March 14, another will be announced for March 19 .

AA: Are you insinuating that the august and independent High Court, who sets the hearing dates, is trying something to be clever here?

 

[Awesome]

AA: Are you insinuating that the august and independent High Court, who sets the hearing dates, is trying something to be clever here?

I would do the same thing, our public is going to go all out berserk over an unfavorable decision. They will wait for the India vs Pakistan match to release him

 

[VCheng]

I would do the same thing, our public is going to go all out berserk over an unfavorable decision. They will wait for the India vs Pakistan match to release him

LOL! I see your point now. Actually the LHC is proceeding very wisely!

PS: Justice is never "favorable" or "unfavorable", is it not supposed to be blind and truthful?

 

[VCheng]

from: Shaikh urges timely provision of coalition funds | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: Federal Finance Minister, Dr. Abdul Hafeez Shaikh met with the new US special envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan Marc Grossman at his office and urged the US for a timely provision of coalition support funds to Pakistan.

Talking to media after the meeting Marc Grossman said that the US will make certain the provision of Coalition support funds come through.

 

[T-Rex]

So what? That isn't Davis' responsibility, that is the responsibility of the Pakistani F.O., which has NOT denied that Davis has immunity from Pakistani jurisdiction, at least as long as the criminal investigation continues. Thus the F.O. has failed in its duty. Davis should never have been arrested by Pakistani authorities in the first place. Why does this not constitute grounds for releasing Davis immediately?

Consider this :
"In January 1997, the deputy chief of mission at Georgian embassy in US, was involved in a drunk driving incident which resulted in death of a teenager. In order to prosecute him the USG practically forced Georgia to revoke immunity and only after it was revoked by Georgia, the deputy chief of mission was prosecuted. He got 21 years. The point is that, it is only USG, which can revoke Mr Davis' immunity, if it exists."

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