Raymond Davis Case: LHC rules murder trial valid, rejects immunity from prosecution

[T-Rex]

Who is going to prosecute him the US, the US justice system is a joke. All the investiagtions of attrocities in Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2 and Afghanistan War have not produced squat. US Justice system is for whites, where whites with Cocaaine get 2 year in prison and a black with crack gets 10 years. Domocracy only for the US and US supports terrorism, dictatorships and tyrants all over the world.

Shah of Iran, Marcos of Phillipnes, Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Musharraf and Zia in Pakistan and .................

Raymond Davis needs to be prosecuted where he committed a crime and since he is a CIA contratcor and not a diplomat he will be judged by US principles, like they say in the US, "Liberty and Justice for All".

These americans have no respect or faith whatsoever for the justice system of the non-Europan and particularly Muslim states but other countries must have faith in the american justice system even though the US justice system has a long record of racism. The world must do something about the american arrogance and its satanic activities.

 

[Awesome]

Consider this :
"In January 1997, the deputy chief of mission at Georgian embassy in US, was involved in a drunk driving incident which resulted in death of a teenager. In order to prosecute him the USG practically forced Georgia to revoke immunity and only after it was revoked by Georgia, the deputy chief of mission was prosecuted. He got 21 years. The point is that, it is only USG, which can revoke Mr Davis' immunity, if it exists."

Actually that was the fault of the Georgian government to give in to American pressure, just like it would be Pakistan's fault if it gives in to American pressure here as well.

As sovereign nations do, they go for maximalist positions from their point of view, unfortunately in the case of America we have to give to their demands.

Please don't use offensive language for another country.

 

[VCheng]

from: LHC discards two petitions regarding Raymond Davis | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

LAHORE: The Lahore High Court (LHC) on Monday discarded two petitions regarding US operative Raymond Davis, DawnNews reported.

One petition requested the court to prevent Davis’ immunity issue from being heard in the International Court of Justice (ICJ).

Meanwhile, the second petition requested the court to make the United States of America a party in the Davis immunity case.

Petitioner Advocate Azhar Siddique had filed both petitions.

LHC Chief Justice Ijaz Ahmed Chaudhry discarded both petitions and stated these issues were beyond the court’s jurisdiction.

 

[KS]

Consider this :
"In January 1997, the deputy chief of mission at Georgian embassy in US, was involved in a drunk driving incident which resulted in death of a teenager. In order to prosecute him the USG practically forced Georgia to revoke immunity and only after it was revoked by Georgia, the deputy chief of mission was prosecuted. He got 21 years. The point is that, it is only USG, which can revoke Mr Davis' immunity, if it exists."

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Actually that was the fault of the Georgian government to give in to American pressure, just like it would be Pakistan's fault if it gives in to American pressure here as well.

As sovereign nations do, they go for maximalist positions from their point of view, unfortunately in the case of America we have to give to their demands.

You are going 180 degree opposite of what T-Rex had stated.

What T-Rex said was the Georgian official could be prosecuted only after the Georgian govt revoked his immunity after pressure by America.

On a similar case - Pakistan would/should prosecute Davis only after the US Govt revokes his immunity which till now has not been the case.So Pakistan is treading on loose ground here.

Your country has made a point, now the better would be to send him quietly to US.

 

[VCheng]

from: Mistrust must not spoil US ties, says Zardari | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: President Asif Ali Zardari on Monday urged the United States to prevent mistrust caused by isolated diplomatic incidents from spoiling ties between the two nations.

Relations between Washington and Islamabad have been strained since police arrested Raymond Davis, a US national who has confessed to killing two men in self-defence on a busy street in Lahore on January 27.

Revelations that Davis was a CIA contractor have heaped pressure on Zardari&#8217;s fragile government and further heightened public mistrust of US actions inside Pakistan.

Zardari told visiting US envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Marc Grossman that the two countries should not be &#8220;swayed by misperceptions and some isolated incidents that may be used by some to increase tensions and mistrust&#8221;.

In an official statement Zardari also urged Pakistan and US &#8220;to remain focused on the path of pursuing long-term, multifaceted and durable strategic ties.&#8221;

Pakistani foreign secretary Salman Basir said last week it was too early to conclude that the incident had inflicted long-term damage on ties between the two countries.

But Washington is pushing hard for Davis&#8217; release, arguing that he has diplomatic immunity and acted in self-defence.

&#8220;Weakening of relations was not an option for the two countries. We have to find ways and means to find acceptable solutions to all problems,&#8221; Zardari added in the statement.

Grossman&#8217;s behind-the-scenes approach is widely seen as a departure from that of his hard-charging predecessor Richard Holbrooke, who died of a torn aorta in December.

Grossman, a Los Angeles native, served at the US embassy in Pakistan from 1977 to 1979 and rose steadily through the ranks of the US Foreign Service. He assisted Holbrooke in the Dayton peace talks that ended the Bosnian war.

Defending Pakistan from accusations by some US officials that it could do more to tackle terrorism, Zardari said &#8220;no one should question our commitment or intentions&#8221;.

He described Pakistan&#8217;s sacrifices in the war against terrorism as &#8220;matchless&#8221; adding it is &#8220;a long-drawn battle where military means alone can not achieve complete victory.&#8221;

The president also said his country had an &#8220;an abiding interest&#8221; in a peaceful and prosperous Afghanistan.

GILANI- GROSSMAN MEETING

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, during a meeting with Grossman, said that Pakistan&#8217;s stance on the Davis issue is based on principles and there can be no negotiations around it.

He said that the decision regarding Davis&#8217; immunity will be made by the court and it should not affect bilateral ties between Pakistan and the United States.

Gilani urged the new envoy to provide the remaining amount of aid for Pakistan through the coalition support fund.

The premier said that Pakistan wants peace in Afghanistan and suggestions for sustainable peace in the region would be welcomed.

Grossman told the prime minister that the stalled aid for Pakistan will be provided very soon. He also appealed to Gilani to release Davis.

Senior diplomatic officials from Pakistan and US were also present during the meeting.

 

[Awesome]

You are going 180 degree opposite of what T-Rex had stated.

What T-Rex said was the Georgian official could be prosecuted only after the Georgian govt revoked his immunity after pressure by America.

On a similar case - Pakistan would/should prosecute Davis only after the US Govt revokes his immunity which till now has not been the case.So Pakistan is treading on loose ground here.

Your country has made a point, now the better would be to send him quietly to US.

Actually the emphasis was "The US government pressurized the Georgian government into giving the waiver". The emphasis being the US gets its way no matter what.

Also the US is still shying away from presenting full documents for immunity, so far it seems like the MoFA present the case with "No immunity". This determination rests solely with the MoFA.

 

[Awesome]

Davis may be charged with double murder today | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

LAHORE, March 7: A sessions court is expected to charge Raymond Davis, accused in a double-murder case, on Tuesday (today) registered against him on Jan 27 for killing two youths at Qartaba Chowk.

An official source told Dawn on Monday that on the last hearing of the case (No 47/2011) held inside Kot Lakhpat Jail, Additional District and Sessions Judge Muhammad Yousuf Aujla had ordered the prosecution to provide copies of complete challan to the lawyer of the accused.

&#8220;As the prosecution has provided the documents as desired by Davis&#8217;s lawyer Zahid Husain Bukhari, the court is likely to charge the accused under Section 302 of the Pakistan Penal Code (PPC),&#8221; the source said.The court on March 3 had rejected Davis&#8217;s plea seeking diplomatic immunity under Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations-1961.

The accused is also being tried by Model Town Judicial Magistrate Anique Ahmad Chaudhry in another case (No 49/2011) registered against him for possessing illegal weapons on Jan 28 by Lytton Road police under Section 13/20/65 of the arms ordinance. The court is expected to charge Davis in this case too on the hearing fixed for March 15.

faizan&#8217;s brother: Imran Haider, brother of Qurtaba Chowk firing victim Faizan Haider, has filed an application in the Lahore High Court (LHC) to become party in a pending case regarding diplomatic immunity to Raymond Davis.

The applicant pleads that he is an aggrieved party in the case as Raymond had killed his brother and his friend. Therefore, the court should also hear his viewpoint.

The LHC will resume hearing on March 14 on petitions challenging diplomatic immunity to the accused US national.

DISMISSED: The Lahore High Court chief justice on Monday dismissed two applications &#8212; to make the US government party in the Raymond Davis case and to issue a stay order against possible approach to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) by the US or Pakistan to resolve the immunity matter.

CJ Ijaz Ahmad Chaudhry observed that the Pakistan government would decide whether the accused enjoyed immunity and that authorities in Washington could not be brought to Pakistani courts.

Petitioner Advocate Azhar Siddique pointed out that the relevant law of the diplomatic immunity had already been challenged in the court, therefore, government&#8217;s decision on immunity would have no effect on the case pending before the court. The CJ, however, observed that both applications were premature and dismissed the same.

 

[F-16_Falcon]

^^^ Triple murder, do not forget the woman and death sentence for RD. Anything less not acceptable.

 

[VCheng]

from: Court adjourns Raymond Davis

LAHORE: A court Tuesday adjourned a murder hearing of Raymond Davis, a CIA contractor whom the US government is battling to free on grounds of diplomatic immunity, after his lawyer requested more time.

The hearing in the murder case against Davis took place amid high security in Kot Lakhpat jail in Lahore, where he is being held, and was adjourned until next Wednesday.

&#8220;March 16 is fixed for the framing of charges because we have given Davis&#8217; counsel all the documents they wanted,&#8221; said public prosecutor Abdul Samad.

Davis has claimed he acted in self-defence when he shot dead two men in a busy Lahore street in January.

The issue of his claim to diplomatic immunity is pending before the Lahore High Court, which is due to rule on the issue on March 14.

Asad Manzoor Butt, the lawyer representing the families of the two Pakistani men shot dead by Davis, said that the American had again refused to sign a charge sheet against him. It was given to his lawyer instead, said Butt.

&#8220;Davis and his lawyer kept insisting that he has immunity,&#8221; Butt said.

&#8220;Davis is likely to be indicted during the next hearing,&#8221; he added.

Tuesday&#8217;s hearing was delayed for several hours before being briefly held amid tight security, with more than 100 armed police deployed in and outside the court and on the roof.

Media were kept from the court&#8217;s main entrance, where explosive detectors were installed.

Washington has expressed fears for Davis&#8217; safety in custody, and have said they hold the Pakistani government responsible for his well-being.

Revelations that Davis was a CIA contractor have heaped pressure on Pakistan&#8217;s government and further ramped up burning public mistrust of Washington.

A third Pakistani was struck down and killed by a US diplomatic vehicle that came to Davis&#8217;s assistance in the January incident.

US officials denied Pakistan access to the vehicle, and the occupants are widely believed to have left the country.

Police have said they recovered a Glock pistol, four loaded magazines, a GPS navigation system and a small telescope from Davis&#8217; car after the January 27 shooting.

The United States postponed a round of high-level talks with Afghanistan and Pakistan following failed attempts to get Davis out, and US lawmakers threatened to cut payments to Pakistan unless he is freed.

 

[Leviza]

from: Court adjourns Raymond Davis

LAHORE: A court Tuesday adjourned a murder hearing of Raymond Davis, a CIA contractor whom the US government is battling to free on grounds of diplomatic immunity, after his lawyer requested more time.

The hearing in the murder case against Davis took place amid high security in Kot Lakhpat jail in Lahore, where he is being held, and was adjourned until next Wednesday.

&#8220;March 16 is fixed for the framing of charges because we have given Davis&#8217; counsel all the documents they wanted,&#8221; said public prosecutor Abdul Samad.

Davis has claimed he acted in self-defence when he shot dead two men in a busy Lahore street in January.

The issue of his claim to diplomatic immunity is pending before the Lahore High Court, which is due to rule on the issue on March 14.

Asad Manzoor Butt, the lawyer representing the families of the two Pakistani men shot dead by Davis, said that the American had again refused to sign a charge sheet against him. It was given to his lawyer instead, said Butt.

&#8220;Davis and his lawyer kept insisting that he has immunity,&#8221; Butt said.

&#8220;Davis is likely to be indicted during the next hearing,&#8221; he added.

Tuesday&#8217;s hearing was delayed for several hours before being briefly held amid tight security, with more than 100 armed police deployed in and outside the court and on the roof.

Media were kept from the court&#8217;s main entrance, where explosive detectors were installed.

Washington has expressed fears for Davis&#8217; safety in custody, and have said they hold the Pakistani government responsible for his well-being.

Revelations that Davis was a CIA contractor have heaped pressure on Pakistan&#8217;s government and further ramped up burning public mistrust of Washington.

A third Pakistani was struck down and killed by a US diplomatic vehicle that came to Davis&#8217;s assistance in the January incident.

US officials denied Pakistan access to the vehicle, and the occupants are widely believed to have left the country.

Police have said they recovered a Glock pistol, four loaded magazines, a GPS navigation system and a small telescope from Davis&#8217; car after the January 27 shooting.

The United States postponed a round of high-level talks with Afghanistan and Pakistan following failed attempts to get Davis out, and US lawmakers threatened to cut payments to Pakistan unless he is freed.

USA should go ahead with this threat if they have balls and face no supply lines from Pakistan .....

 

[KS]

Actually the emphasis was "The US government pressurized the Georgian government into giving the waiver". The emphasis being the US gets its way no matter what.

Unfortunate reality of the world that we all have to live with. The same way we could do nothing when that b@$terd Warren Anderson was released by the Rajiv Gandhi Govt after being pressured by the Americans.

Also the US is still shying away from presenting full documents for immunity, so far it seems like the MoFA present the case with "No immunity". This determination rests solely with the MoFA.

I am not much knowledgeable about the nitty ggritties of Vienna Convention - but my gut feeling is Pak Govt is going overboard in its reaction.

 

[American Eagle]

Since you bring up religion...how about the Taliban murder of Shabaz Bhatti the late Pakistan Minister for Minority and Community Affairs, who was the sole Christian in the Government of Pakistan cabinet?

With the long term availability of weapons throughout all of Pakistan and the unenforceability of so called gun laws....coupled with the fact that the US Embassy has stated for the record that Mr. Davis was required to be armed as part of his job...why do you go into such blind alleys?

The Taliban run around murdering randomly...everyday pleasant, moderate Muslims...at random. The ISI protects now major city harbored Taliban against the notion that they will be needed in the "next" great conflict with India. And the US Embassy tries to deal with all these conflicted elements as Pakistan and NATO are allies in the war on terrorism, and Pakistan, who no one on this site thus far except me, Pakistan is a NATO Affiliate since the Presidency of General Musharraf. Etc, etc, etc.

Raymond Allen Davis remains a victum of a failed armed robbery attempt on his person. He defended himself.

 

[VCheng]

...... and so far RD has NOT been formally indicted for murder either.

 

[American Eagle]

Thanks for pointing this fact out. Have a good day.

 

[American Eagle]

Folks, please note that from "day one" the Pakistani Court Order to the Pakistan Foreign Office to declare Mr. Davis as having Diplomatic Immunity or not has not been timely replied to by the GOP/FO. Instead the GOP/FO after dropping the ball numerous times has hired an overseas International Law Firm to advise it one way or the other on the topic of DI.