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you're fighting a war, deal with that first, lest NWFP becomes its own country.
Dont worry about the NWFP


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you're fighting a war, deal with that first, lest NWFP becomes its own country.
For starters Israel might be on the back end but i disagree that it wold just want to destabilize Pakistan. Remember Pakistan is the only islamic country with nuclear weapons as often we are portrayed and Israel more then anything else is keen on establishing a relationship with the only muslim nuclear arm state. For example i would like to quote you when Musharraf was being invited to address the jewish lobby in the US, it only happened once ever, also the exchange of remarks that took place on numerous occasions by the Israeli PM for Musharraf, the meeting of foreign ministers of both the countries and then the meeting of Musharraf with the Israeli foreign minister. These things did not happen for no reason.
Now coming back to the destabilizing factor, if Israel can destabilize Pakistan, we can do the exact opposite, and let me tell you we will be in a much better position. Israel is still surrounded by hostile neigbours, organisations(Hamas,Hizbullah), all we need is to pour more fuel to it through Iran, Syria, and Israel will be in a far greater trouble then we will be in FATA. Agno all ready pointed out, the ground reality in FATA proves contrary to what you Indians like to do or want to prove. DOnt take my word for it, just see how many locals have risen up to fight this menace. This is exactly the reason that our success considered to last year is way way more. This is all because we have the local support.
You got to be high on alcohol even thinking about it. Let me put it this way for you, a middle finger to both US and India and expanding our alliance with China which is already our strategic partner and bring Russia into the equation as well afterall there are no permanent friendships just permanent interests.
u say RAW is a terrorist, well look here......
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Kabul attack: India gives info to Pak
Press Trust of India
Friday, October 24, 2008, (New Delhi)
India on Friday presented evidence to Pakistan regarding involvement of ISI in the July 7 Kabul Embassy bombing as the Joint Anti-Terror Mechanism (JATM) met in New Delhi.
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Well it was a joint meeting of India and Pakistan, and India provided pakistan the facts and evidences that ISI is a real terrorist..... Did pakistani side gave any evidences against RAW???? although it was a joint meeting????
Get off ur propaganda......
Will ur media show it??? as it is doing propaganda against RAW......
will ur politicians speak on this????
We said ISI did attacks, and we gave the proofs...... now if u have any proof then show us, otherwise keep telling urself bedtime stories..........
Just because ISI cannot live upto any reputation, doesn't mean u will pelt stones on others without knowing anything............................................
and if u can expose them do expose them before u say anything....and dont call RAW thug....i have a whole lot better dictionary for ISI......
Then why Pakistan is not sharing proof with India, last day there was a meeting between India and Pakistan related to terrorism. India shared solid proofs against ISI for attacking Indian consulate in Afghanistan.
You are making all sorts of accusations without any basis at all. Let's not get into a comparison of Indian minorities with Pakistan's almost non-existent one. As they say: Let him cast the first stone......
There is no legal discrimination at all in my country and each citizen is equal in front of the law.
I don't have to swear that a particular community is not Hindu or Muslim when I sign up for a passport for instance.
you're fighting a war, deal with that first, lest NWFP becomes its own country.
oh my god, why don't you read my posts thoroughly?
First and foremost, you cannot get 'high' off of alcohol, it is impossible. You can get drunk, wasted, hammered, sh*tfaced, blitzed but not high. High comes from smoking Marijuana (or crack or heroine, but that's for the cool kids not for me.)
getting back, when I made those points I clearly said that something like this would never happen, because our national interests are in direct conflict.
You cannot bring Russia into the picture, unless they want their defense industry to die and they don't.
Why do you think you are immune, if you mess with Israel what makes you think things in Pakistan will be hunky-dory? Iran and Syria and who else? yeah, they all lost to a country smaller than the state of New Jersey. And don't put too much weight into what the PM said and whose hand he shook, Musharraf was talking about peace before Kargil. It's all superficial, the real fun happens behind closed doors.
And you are free to give anyone the finger, although you must remember that they will give it back to you. Expand your alliance with China? whatever, like you said the threat is from elsewhere and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Will China intervene militarily, you wish, but they don't give a crap. You can stick your finger out as much as you want, and you will find yourself like Pakistan finds itself today, isolated, friendless, targeted by everyone, and nothing can be done about it. You can let your ego get in the way and be battered into submission, or you can use your head for once and think of a more rational way out.
Like you said, there are no permanent friends only permanent self interest, I think surviving is a permanent interest, you should think again.
I know what the seven sisters are, India is expanding its defense Infrastructure in the region, they aren't going nowhere, no sooner than NWFP and Balochistan atleast.
Really! Are you saying that liquor doesnt get you high? lol
Indeed our national interests are in a direct conflict and they will be so in years to come, so dont even think that Pakistan can even think about joining the US/India alliance.
And why not. Those days are long gone when Russian economy use to run on deffense exports. Todays Russia is again looking to regain its lost status of the cold war era. The recent stand off between Russia and the USA over Georgia and with India getting all warm up with the US, Do you seriously believe that the Russians have closed their eyes shut on whats going on. Think again.
Please! i never said Pakistan is immune to anything. Infact you were the one saying that India can do this, India can do that with the help of Israel. I only countered it saying that we too have cards up our sleeves that we can and will use if we see the threat rising. In the end who'll be the winner and who will loose is debate for another time. Offcourse not everyone wins in the bet, yet every one playes to gain the maximum out of it.
Not to anyone but definately to India and the US. Dont be a hypocrite on top you agree that India and Pakistan have difference of interest and it wil be naive to think that the current situation in Pakistan, India will not take advantage of it, so how in the hell can you think after this that Pakistan can be so stupid to actually think that all is good enough and Pakistan should too join in with India and the US and show a finger to a strategic partner. Also as for Chinese intervention, why would China intervene and for what purpose? Get something clear in your head, we donot need anyone from outside to kick India's ***, when the time comes, we are capable to do it on our own. And as far as isolation is concerned, you need to understand that the internation community needs Pakistan more then the other way round. Just where do you think the supplies to both the US and NATO come from? If you cant find the answer let me know.
Dont worry about our survival, worry about yours instead. Like i said we have seen tough times all through our history and yet everytime we came out of it, this is no exception either. The whole world is suffering, so are we.
Wet dreams and all wet dreams for you. We'll see.
Really! Are you saying that liquor doesnt get you high? lol
And why not. Those days are long gone when Russian economy use to run on deffense exports. Todays Russia is again looking to regain its lost status of the cold war era. The recent stand off between Russia and the USA over Georgia and with India getting all warm up with the US, Do you seriously believe that the Russians have closed their eyes shut on whats going on. Think again.
Liquor gets you drunk, being high is a completely different feeling. It's like smoking a cigarette and drinking, the buzz you get from nicotine is nothing like the 'buzz' you get from alcohol. So you cannot get high off liquor. I hate when people are like man I was so high last night I had like 50 beers, come on man gotta step up your 'intoxicated terminology' game.
Yeah, our national interests are in direct conflict, I was merely hypothesizing a scenario where for once we'd be on the same side. Certainly not in our lifetime.
Yeah and what does Pakistan have to offer? money? how will Russia regain it's lost status through Pakistan. did you somehow forget that you are an American 'ally' how do you think the US will react? you don't care you say? well if you didn't you wouldn't be fighting the WOT. and besides, if you think the Russians are concerned about India tilting towards the West, you think aligning with Pakistan will make the situation any better? especially when there is nothing to be gained?.
Yeah, Pakistan does have cards up its sleeves, all I was saying was Israel can do far worse. They have more capable allies. Do you really believe Israel is comfortable with a nuclear Islamic country? come on man, this is Israel we're talking about, they make India's footprint on the jihad radar look like a spec.
Dude, once again, I was just thinking out aloud, India is taking advantage of the situation precisely because we are adversaries and that's not going to change in the foreseeable future. I did say it would be cool if this wasn't the case though. The part about kicking India's a*s, yeah good luck, should've remembered to do that in '71. As of today India is happily diverting all of Pakistan's water when you need it the most and what's being done? and don't say the PAF can blow up the dams whenever they please.
I think you have a serious comprehension problem. Dude i was replying to when you said will China intervene militarly. I said we do not need that kind of intervention because when the time comes we can kick your *** on our own. As for the 71 which you guys like to harp about, how about 65, why was India running towards the UN for a ceasefire? 71 was an altogether different story, a part which has no land contact and more over is separated by thousands of miles of hostile territory, if it had been you instead of us, the results would have been similar. Not to mention the betrayal by the so called ally at that time.
Pakistan doesn't need the intl' community,, seriously? you do read the news right. quick question for 5 bonus points- A certain president was out asking the intl' community for a 100 billion dollars recently, let me know if you don't know who. (Hint: your president.)
Do you seriously live in the US. I kinda doubt considering your level of understanding english. I said the world communtiy needs us more then the other way round, where does that mean that Pakistan does not need Int'l community at all. Seriously i am just wasting my time.![]()
Yeah, you think Pakistan is supplying the troops in Afghanistan out of choice or because the US demanded it?
The question here that you need to ask is what will happen once the supply gets stoped? Why was Mullen sent in a rush to Pakistan once we told them good luck, next time you come we will respond to it?
Now i know that you will come up with the predator strikes still going on, without responding to it, i'll suggest you go back and read S2 post and you will realize that they are coming because GOP wants them too. Hope you catch the drill here (which i kinda doubt by the way)
The way history has worked out, your survival is inversely proportional to ours, so concern is but natural.
Precisely! and that is what i have been telling Indians here for a long time specially when they come up with that " A strong Pakistan is in the interest of India" i consider it a cheap joke, infact this statement should be rephrased like this " A weak and completely decimated Pakistan is in the interest of India"
You really think India will sit back and watch the NE breakaway? like you said we'll see.
There is nothing much you would really be able to do about it other then ofcourse running your loud mouth, thanks to your media.
Nobody gets "high" on liquor. "High" and "stoned" are related. Getting "Drunk" is different. Getting "High" is illegal. Getting "drunk" is legal. Atleast in india and US.
There is nothing much you would really be able to do about it other then ofcourse running your loud mouth, thanks to your media.
After all its useless to argue with an Indian.
Wasnt one Einstein enough, another one jumped in to save the day.by the way you use the word drunk to express the over drinking status of a person. " He is drunked and can barely stand" A person doesnt get drunked by simply having one or 2 cans of beer however he starts getting the buzz. Now how exactly you define that buzz, i'll leave it up to you.
Coming from the person who cant differentiate between booze and drugs. Guess which one is legal to consume, O learned one, and which will send you to a rehabilitation camp for 6 months.After all its useless to argue with an Indian.