RAW Is The Real Terrorist!

[p2prada]

Some info about minorities in india

Tribals train as priests in Kerala-India-The Times of India

Tribals train as priests in Kerala

KALPETTA(Kerala): Breaking centuries-old caste barriers, 22 children from different communities, including scheduled tribes, have been trained as
temple priests by a Hindu outfit here.

The first batch of candidates who completed the 18 month-long training were conferred "pujadhikara mudra"—the authority to perform pujas and rituals in temples—at a ceremony held at the Bhadrakali temple at Pongini on Tuesday.

Seven of the children come from tribal families. The first batch included a few brahmin boys and candidates from other castes, organisers said.

The programme, initiated by the Kerala Kshetra Samrakshana Samity (KSS), was launched one-and-a-half years ago with the help of leading Vedic scholars and Hindu religious educational bodies of the state. The shortage of trained priests in temples in the northern districts made the organisers embark on such a project.

The candidates, aged between eight and 18 years, were chosen from Kozhikode and Wayanad districts and the course was structured such that it would not disturb their secular education.

The course began with the children being initiated into 'brahminhood' through the 'upanayanam ritual' under eminent Vedic scholar Perumbadappu Hrishikesan Namboodiripad.

They were taught Sanskrit, mantras and how to perform pujas and rituals. They were given practical training in temples managed by the KSS under the tutelage of experienced priests.

 

[bellicose.mcbein]

did you have any proofs that saddam was going for w.m.d??????
what are you doing here???.already sayed we are not in your courtoom.


this trhread is ,raw is the real terrorist, and i am just posting article like everyone else deos on this forum.

this is getting old.

look, the thread starter and 6 thankers accused RAW of supporting these 3 terrorists based on the article. so the burden of proof is on y'all. but in the article there is no evidence of RAW support. it does a good job illustrating a scheme whereby suicide bombers commit their deeds, gives some bio on the 3 (to convince the reader that they do, in fact, exist - although there is neither evidence of this). critically, it does not address RAW involvement. at all. so i ask again, can anyone provide an article that backs up the accusation with evidence?

if not, then RAW remains innocent because no one can provide evidence to the contrary.

i have searched google for other sources on this event. i found nothing.

it appears there is only this one author, MAK Lodhi, making the accusation.

 

[s90]

Everyone chill ISI giving tough time to RAW thats why Indians cry "ISI ISI terrorist terrroist!!!!!stop them stop them"

Rajiv Gandi was so impressed by ISI he ordered RAW to be organized like them

 

[was]

this is getting old.

look, the thread starter and 6 thankers accused RAW of supporting these 3 terrorists based on the article. so the burden of proof is on y'all. but in the article there is no evidence of RAW support. it does a good job illustrating a scheme whereby suicide bombers commit their deeds, gives some bio on the 3 (to convince the reader that they do, in fact, exist - although there is neither evidence of this). critically, it does not address RAW involvement. at all. so i ask again, can anyone provide an article that backs up the accusation with evidence?

if not, then RAW remains innocent because no one can provide evidence to the contrary.

i have searched google for other sources on this event. i found nothing.

it appears there is only this one author, MAK Lodhi, making the accusation.

 

[doobie86]

Whatever man, really i am fine if everything that you said above makes you feel better or have a good nite sleep, I dont mind at all. By the way i never was your old buddy.

NAHIIIII, KYUN ICECOLD KYUN!

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Every Intelligance agency weather its CIA ISI or RAW is working on their perticular ajenda . And thats a reality every one knows .
Had the russians ever cried against the CIA when they were funding the talibans during the soviat invation .
Had CIA ever cried when the Russians were providing money and arms to northeren Vaitenaam during the Vaitnaam War .
Its simple when you get defeated you have to accept defeat instead of crying that ISI didnt played fair.
Weather its the CIA or ISI or RAW . Every thing is fair in love and war baby . Sometimes you win somtimes you loose. and if you loose then try to swallow the bitter pill with a grace and dignity . Not by crying ISI is the terrorist .
Every body knows Russian Petro Dollars are being used in Fundin Talibans in Afghanistan through Iran. Have CIA ever said it Openly . No because they cosider crying as the waistage of time and a gesture of weakness .
ISI is doing gr8 but at the same time RAW is not falling behind . The scores are level and the fun has just begun . So chill till the next episode.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Every Intelligance agency weather its CIA ISI or RAW is working on their perticular ajenda . And thats a reality every one knows .
Had the russians ever cried against the CIA when they were funding the talibans during the soviat invation .
Had CIA ever cried when the Russians were providing money and arms to northeren Vaitenaam during the Vaitnaam War .
Its simple when you get defeated you have to accept defeat instead of crying that ISI didnt played fair.
Weather its the CIA or ISI or RAW . Every thing is fair in love and war baby . Sometimes you win somtimes you loose. and if you loose then try to swallow the bitter pill with a grace and dignity . Not by crying ISI is the terrorist .
Every body knows Russian Petro Dollars are being used in Fundin Talibans in Afghanistan through Iran. Have CIA ever said it Openly . No because they cosider crying as the waistage of time and a gesture of weakness .
ISI is doing gr8 but at the same time RAW is not falling behind . The scores are level and the fun has just begun . So chill till the next episode.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

There is no major difference between RAW CIA MUSAD & ISI now ,they all are working for US agenda.

Hazaroo sal nargis apni be noori per rooti rahi
bari mushkil se hota he chaman me koi dedawar paida

 

[bellicose.mcbein]

(sigh) finally a reputable entry on this event:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\10\30\story_30-10-2008_pg11_7

Thursday, October 30, 2008

Three indicted for plotting to bomb police offices

RAWALPINDI: Anti-Terrorist Court (ATC) No II on Wednesday indicted three people for planning to bomb the offices of senior police officials including deputy inspector general (DIG) and senior superintendent of police (SSP).

The judge, Sakhi Muhammad Kahout, framed terror charges against Khurram Ishtiaq of Rawalpindi’s Muslim Town, Ghulam Mustafa of Kalar Syedan and Shamim Alam of South Waziristan Agency, and adjourned hearing into a case against them till November 8.

The suspected terrorists were taken to the court amid tight security. The Elite Force’s personnel guarded the courtroom.

Federal Investigation Agency’s (FIA) Crime Circle had arrested the three terror suspects on August 24 this year from Muslim Colony, Rawalpindi, for possessing a large cache of explosive material.

The same court also acquitted two people of kidnapping a four-year-old girl for ransom in Shahzad Town as police failed to produce evidence for their alleged crime.

Police had charged Muhammad Akhtar and Wasim Ahmad Kayani with kidnapping Bisma, 4, for Rs 3 million worth of ransom on July 28, 2008. They, however, failed to prove the charge against suspected kidnappers.

The same court had already acquitted a woman of kidnapping the girl, whose whereabouts have yet to be ascertained, due to the lack of evidence. Three persons, Khalilur Rehman, Umar Zaman and Sardar Ali Shah, are already in police custody.

Meanwhile, Special Judge of Anti-Corruption Khalid Mehmood Malik on Wednesday rejected two contractors’ application for pre-arrest bail.

There followed arrest of the petitioners, Aftab Abbasi and Khalid Abbasi, who are accused of using substandard material in the construction of seven roads in Murree and embezzling funds worth million of rupees. staff report

no mention of RAW. of course, evidence of raw involvement could come to light during trial.

IF RAW were to enter the picture, would then a separate investigation be launched? if yes, then everyone condemning raw for their involvement here has put two wagons ahead of the horse.

 

[was]

‘Taliban backed by RAW trained Wah bombers’



By Our Correspondent


TAXILA, Aug 25: The two suicide bombers who blew themselves at the Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) gates in Wah Cantonment last week were trained in Miramshah, the main town of North Waziristan Agency, by the Pakistani Taliban allegedly supported by the Indian intelligence agency – Research and Analysis Wing (RAW).

Officials privy to investigations told this reporter on condition of anonymity that the bombers were aged between 17 and 20 and they were natives of Khyber Agency.

According to the officials, the detained would-be suicide bomber, who identified himself as Hameedullah, revealed some stunning facts about the activities and involvement of proxy Taliban in the tribal areas of Pakistan.

Hameedullah described how the Taliban trained and provided arms and ammunition to the militants. They have also hired psychologists who brainwash innocent youth from different seminaries and transform them into hard-line militant or “Fidayeen”.

The officials said Hameedullah was arrested while trying to flee from the scene of the blasts in a taxi. Soon after the incident, law-enforcement agencies seized an explosive-vest that the suspect had left in a toilet at a mosque located close to the POF complex.

During initial interrogation, the man confessed that he wanted to blow himself up at the arms factory but lost heart at the last moment.

The officials declined to give more details because it could affect the ongoing investigation.

However, they said there was an overwhelming body of evidence showing that RAW and the Afghan intelligence agencies had stepped up their activities in Pakistan.

“RAW and the Afghan intelligence agencies are very much active in the tribal areas. Several Afghan agents have been arrested and they confessed that they were trained by the Indians in Afghanistan,” the officials said.

“There are more than 10,000 Indian soldiers in Afghanistan, ostensibly to protect engineers involved in road building activities. But, in fact, most of them are spies and there maybe thousands more who are causing carnage in Pakistan” they added.

‘Taliban backed by RAW trained Wah bombers’ -DAWN - National; August 26, 2008

 

[bellicose.mcbein]

‘Taliban backed by RAW trained Wah bombers’



By Our Correspondent
...

‘Taliban backed by RAW trained Wah bombers’ -DAWN - National; August 26, 2008

rank-and-file, sheeple.

ok, i'll do it. since no one else will. watch me undress this turkey

‘Taliban backed by RAW trained Wah bombers’

By Our Correspondent

According to the officials, the detained would-be suicide bomber, who identified himself as Hameedullah, revealed some stunning facts about the activities and involvement of proxy Taliban in the tribal areas of Pakistan.

Hameedullah described how the Taliban trained and provided arms and ammunition to the militants. They have also hired psychologists who brainwash innocent youth from different seminaries and transform them into hard-line militant or “Fidayeen”.

The officials said Hameedullah was arrested while trying to flee from the scene of the blasts in a taxi. Soon after the incident, law-enforcement agencies seized an explosive-vest that the suspect had left in a toilet at a mosque located close to the POF complex.

During initial interrogation, the man confessed that he wanted to blow himself up at the arms factory but lost heart at the last moment.

firstly and most glaringly, the headline is a quotation. whose words are they?

secondly, who is "our correspondent?" is he the guy that said the headline?

so one of the bombers confessed to losing heart. are we supposed trust an unidentifiable author's paraphrasing of someone else's words (in this case, the suspect's) - itself paraphrased by an anonymous source (the unnamed officials)? under what conditions did the suspect "confess?"

hearsay piled on top of hearsay. this "journalist" is a professional swindler.

of course quoting an anonymous source is not uncommon when the subject is sensitive or classified. but one tier of anonymous quoting is still controversial, and by no means warrants a flamboyant headline like ‘Taliban backed by RAW trained Wah bombers’. and TWO tiers of anonymous paraphrasing? forget about it.

moving on...

The two suicide bombers who blew themselves at the Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) gates in Wah Cantonment last week were trained in Miramshah, the main town of North Waziristan Agency, by the Pakistani Taliban allegedly supported by the Indian intelligence agency – Research and Analysis Wing (RAW)

so, since they "blew themselves" they're, like, dead now, yeah? 7 virgins and whatever.

except... they CAN'T be dead in order for the one to "confess" that he lost heart. no pussy for him after all.

this fairy tale suffers a fatal inconsistency right there man.

However, they said there was an overwhelming body of evidence showing that RAW and the Afghan intelligence agencies had stepped up their activities in Pakistan.

“RAW and the Afghan intelligence agencies are very much active in the tribal areas. Several Afghan agents have been arrested and they confessed that they were trained by the Indians in Afghanistan,” the officials said.

“There are more than 10,000 Indian soldiers in Afghanistan, ostensibly to protect engineers involved in road building activities. But, in fact, most of them are spies and there maybe thousands more who are causing carnage in Pakistan” they added.

any questions?

evidence that backs up RAW involvement with these two bombers? great, care to share it with us?

i don't think we were supposed to read past the headline.

well how's this for an asswipe headline from an unnamed source, from an unnamed source:

'just keep directing your anger at RAW, sheeple. no questions needed, for we have evidence against them'

 

[the saint]

Well Mr Bellicose , it seems u dont get it , firstly a suicide bombing is not like a rape or a bank robbery investigation where u can collect bodily fluids to support ur case, its circumstantial. Most of it is like interrogation so ull have to take the poor guys word for it , especially wen hez caught wid a suicide west , and small clues collected and analyzed to get the best possible solution. You would never be satisfied as far as the above quote or article is concerned it was in every major newspaper of the country. Talking bout evidence wat evidence can you give me evidence on involvement of Osama in 9 . 11 and if their is can u make the detail aval in addition to that crap passports and phoney phone calls . How bout the evidence of Iraqs weapons of mass destruction lolz or gimme some evidence on like terrorists hide outs in Pakistan which the US wants to stop. Or as u are a fanatic RAW supporter how bout the evidence of involvement of ISI in any of the famous terrorist acts in India . Lastly even if evidence existed no body is dumb enough to leak it in public , its like chain reaction ull never catch anyone they wod know the chain is broken. But u i know u wont understand coz your stuck up in your own biases.

 

[Killer]

It is obvious, how could talibans who live in mountains could explode an explosive laden truck containing approximately 1000 kgs of high class explosive material in the most secure(supposed to be) area in this country? They definitely are getting financial and technical support from outside, and Indian presence to such a huge extent definitely points out the darker aspects.

 

[bellicose.mcbein]

more and more i suspect the pak gov't is feeding RAW propaganda to deflect criticism to the indians.

consider that pak pursues terrorists because it is allied with nato.

after all, both want to stop the flow of taliban from af into pak that is destabilizing both countries. the taliban are being squeezed, and so both pak and nato armies are taliban's enemies.

therefore, since nato is (by extension) causing the violence in the first place, nato has uncovered a pandora's box into which the indians fit nicely as a whipping boy for the pakistanis. i do not envy the pakistanis, as they have little choice but to ally with nato.

i believe those who say "raw MUST be supporting taliban" discount the fact that nato and pak interests are aligned, even if india's are opposed. however india cannot oppose both nato and pak. pak would not cooperate with nato for allowing india to undermine it, and nato would not allow it in the first place.

and so, if you ask me, it is a sign that the interests of all parties are aligned when india has 5 consulates in afghanistan!

 

[daredevil]

It is obvious, how could talibans who live in mountains could explode an explosive laden truck containing approximately 1000 kgs of high class explosive material in the most secure(supposed to be) area in this country? They definitely are getting financial and technical support from outside, and Indian presence to such a huge extent definitely points out the darker aspects.

But without inside help, how he could reach most secure zone and blast.