Ravana was a dalit from Ghaziabad: BJP leader Subramanian Swamy

[East or West India Best]

Where do you live? Location.

Why, so you cult of shiva prostrater can put black magic on me?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Why, so you cult of shiva prostrater can put black magic on me?

Just to discuss the methods of implementing the ban. You know me - gentleman.

 

[dray]

Ravana i feel sympathy to that character

The demon Ravaan goes to show you shiva worshipping is evil. This is why I always say shaiivites are cancerous to India. The cult of shiva should be banned.

Ravana was not exactly a total devil, he had more shades of gray/black, even Rama had shades of gray! They both played their parts with their weaknesses and shortcomings. The story of Ramayana is much deeper than a simple story of hero vs villain.

 

[uparyupari]

Ramayana and Mahabharata are brilliantly written epics / mythologies and probably the best books on politics ever written, especially Mahabharata, with some religious contents / references. But calling them "sacred religious books of Hinduism" may be a bit overkill.

Mythologies can be based on historical events.

Bhagwat Gita is part of the Mahabharata. Adhyatma Ramayana is considered a scholarly treatise of Vedantic philosophy. Rama Gita in the Uttara Khand has a beautiful explanation of Advaitic philosophical thought.

Vishnu Avatar refers to Rama and Krisha avatar from these itihasa. Nemi purana and Padma purana for the Jains refers to these books.

There is no confusion regarding the sacred status of these books. Ramayana is a treatise on how to behave even in face of extreme adversity. Of Maryada Purushotam or Perfect Man. Mahabharata is a treatise on how to deal with moral turpitude and how to find one's moral mooring. It lays the foundation for our ethics.

I do not see how referring to them as religious books is an overkill. Finally its not me who refers to them as holy books, its Hinduism which does that.

I would continue to call them "Itihasa" in the Indian tradition, you can call them "mythology" in the Anglo tradition.

Ravana was not exactly a total devil, he had more shades of gray/black, even Rama had shades of gray! They both played their parts with their weaknesses and shortcomings. The story of Ramayana is much deeper than a simple story of hero vs villain.

IF Rama has shades of gray then the whole Ramayana is meaningless. Better stick to reading batman and epics of Gotham city.

Sri. Ramachandra ji has NO shades of Gray, that is why he is the Maryada Purushotam. That is why he is the moral compass of Hindus. If you see gray in him, then you should consider the fact that your moral compass is skewed.

Ramayan is the cornerstone of our moral compass, the North Star that shows direction. The one unchanging righteousness in a changing world. Throughout the various changing Yugas.

To assume that your moral compass and intellect is more accurate and more profound that Sri Ramchandra ji is pure hubris. Since when do you get to judge him ?


If sri. Ramchandra ji is Gray, why build a temple to him in Ayodhya ? Might as well build a temple to Ravan and to you.

 

[dray]

Bhagwat Gita is part of the Mahabharata. Adhyatma Ramayana is considered a scholarly treatise of Vedantic philosophy. Rama Gita in the Uttara Khand has a beautiful explanation of Advaitic philosophical thought.

Vishnu Avatar refers to Rama and Krisha avatar from these itihasa. Nemi purana and Padma purana for the Jains refers to these books.

There is no confusion regarding the sacred status of these books. Ramayana is a treatise on how to behave even in face of extreme adversity. Of Maryada Purushotam or Perfect Man. Mahabharata is a treatise on how to deal with moral turpitude and how to find one's moral mooring. It lays the foundation for our ethics.

I do not see how referring to them as religious books is an overkill. Finally its not me who refers to them as holy books, its Hinduism which does that.

I would continue to call them "Itihasa" in the Indian tradition, you can call them "mythology" in the Anglo tradition.

It is called mythology because exaggerated/hyperbolic description of the events, which is natural when the stories are passed on for hundreds of generations through shruti.

IF Rama has shades of gray then the whole Ramayana is meaningless. Better stick to reading batman and epics of Gotham city.

Sri. Ramachandra ji has NO shades of Gray, that is why he is the Maryada Purushotam. That is why he is the moral compass of Hindus. If you see gray in him, then you should consider the fact that your moral compass is skewed.

Ramayan is the cornerstone of our moral compass, the North Star that shows direction. The one unchanging righteousness in a changing world. Throughout the various changing Yugas.

To assume that your moral compass and intellect is more accurate and more profound that Sri Ramchandra ji is pure hubris. Since when do you get to judge him ?

Let's agree to disagree and move on.

 

[uparyupari]

Let's agree to disagree and move on.

Just so that we understand, what determines your moral compass ? Justice league ? Hollywood ? Byomkesh bakshi ?

 

[Donatello]

Swamy is back!!!
How i missed his jokes!

 

[mehul sharma]

Fool ravana was Brahmin of agnihotri clan a grandchild of great sage prajapati pultsya.Rama description of him being mahapandit "knowledge of all shastra's and scripts he was scholar of 4 vedas". Immposible that a dalit was master of all vedas that time-period.

TOI stated a wrong fact and apologized

TOI stated a wrong fact and apologized

 

[Skull and Bones]

I admire Ravan.

 

[East or West India Best]

It is called mythology because exaggerated/hyperbolic description of the events, which is natural when the stories are passed on for hundreds of generations through shruti.

through shruti? LOL do you even know what shruti means?

It means heard, as in heard from the gods. They were passed by the system of parampara

@uparyupari is gonna be choked at you.

Also Mahabharata is smriti not shruti, idiots. It was recited by Vyasa and remembered by his disciple Vaisampayana who taught it to the King Jaya, overheard by another fella who told it to the sages in the forest.

 

[dray]

through shruti? LOL do you even know what shruti means?

It means heard, as in heard from the gods. They were passed by the system of parampara

@uparyupari is gonna be choked at you.

Also Mahabharata is smriti not shruti, idiots. It was recited by Vyasa and remembered by his disciple Vaisampayana who taught it to the King Jaya, overheard by another fella who told it to the sages in the forest.

folklores.....

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

In my opinion Ramayana and Mahabharata falls under the classification of mythology, not history, mythologies can have historical facts in it.

Mythology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Mythology can refer to the collected myths of a group of people—their body of stories which they tell to explain nature, history, and customs[1]—or to the study of such myths."

"As a collection of such stories, mythology is an important feature of every culture. Various origins for myths have been proposed, ranging from personification of nature, personification of natural phenomena to truthful or hyperbolic accounts of historical events, to explanations of existing ritual."

"A culture's collective mythology helps convey belonging, shared and religious experience, behavioural models, and moral and practical lessons."

This what happens when you are taught by "Macaulay System of Education".

Vedas mentioned and revered "River Swaraswati" but BLIND FOLLOWERS of Western Education System till now believed that it is Mythology or Existing some where else as they mention River Swaraswati is actually "Hulmund River" of Afghanistan.

But now recent geological research is showing that about 3000BC there was INDEED A MIGHTY RIVER FLOWED THROUGH HARYANA, RAJASTHAN, AND ENDED IN SEA IN KUTCH GUJARAT.

Great Granth of Mahabhrat mentions inhealiation of "Dwarka" City of Lord Krishna by Sea. According to Blind Followers of "Macaulay System of Education" this is also Mythology.

But According to latest Archeological and Geological surevys There is Remanence of a submerged City near Present Day Dwarka.

In Short every thing mentioned in Great Granthas of "Smritis and Shrutis" are Mythologies according to "Macaulay System of Education" and our Blind Followers takes this system as "Gospel Truth" so it is definitely "Mythology" and cannot be considered as "History".

"Macaulay System of Education" wants Hindus to Learn, that Their Ancistors were "Day Dreamers" (And we can see they are very successful) and because if it is accepted as History then this History is very Rich THEN HOW CAN HINDUS BECOME "SLAVES OF WESTERN CULTURE"????

through shruti? LOL do you even know what shruti means?

It means heard, as in heard from the gods. They were passed by the system of parampara

@uparyupari is gonna be choked at you.

Also Mahabharata is smriti not shruti, idiots. It was recited by Vyasa and remembered by his disciple Vaisampayana who taught it to the King Jaya, overheard by another fella who told it to the sages in the forest.

You are absolutely Correct Granth of Mahabharat is "Smriti" as this is seen by Rishi Vyasa and "remembered" by his Shishya Rishi Vaisampayan and passed on by "Guru Shishya" parampara to next Generation, hence we still remember that Historic Event.

 

[dray]

This what happens when you are taught by "Macaulay System of Education".

Vedas mentioned and revered "River Swaraswati" but BLIND FOLLOWERS of Western Education System till now believed that it is Mythology or Existing some where else as they mention River Swaraswati is actually "Hulmund River" of Afghanistan.

But now recent geological research is showing that about 3000BC there was INDEED A MIGHTY RIVER FLOWED THROUGH HARYANA, RAJASTHAN, AND ENDED IN SEA IN KUTCH GUJARAT.

Great Granth of Mahabhrat mentions inhealiation of "Dwarka" City of Lord Krishna by Sea. According to Blind Followers of "Macaulay System of Education" this is also Mythology.

But According to latest Archeological and Geological surevys There is Remanence of a submerged City near Present Day Dwarka.

In Short every thing mentioned in Great Granthas of "Smritis and Shrutis" are Mythologies according to "Macaulay System of Education" and our Blind Followers takes this system as "Gospel Truth" so it is definitely "Mythology" and cannot be considered as "History".

"Macaulay System of Education" wants Hindus to Learn, that Their Ancistors were "Day Dreamers" (And we can see they are very successful) and because if it is accepted as History then this History is very Rich THEN HOW CAN HINDUS BECOME "SLAVES OF WESTERN CULTURE"????



You are absolutely Correct Granth of Mahabharat is "Smriti" as this is seen by Rishi Vyasa and "remembered" by his Shishya Rishi Vaisampayan and passed on by "Guru Shishya" parampara to next Generation, hence we still remember that Historic Event.

Dear Bhoot Pishach, a mythology is not entirely myth, too difficult to understand? River Saraswati is the fact part of it, and its heavenly connections etc. are the mythical parts. You are free to believe otherwise.

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

Dear Bhoot Pishach, a mythology is not entirely myth, too difficult to understand? River Saraswati is the fact part of it, and its heavenly connections etc. are the mythical parts. You are free to believe otherwise.

But Still Aryans are Invaders of India who Destroyed "Dravidian Culture of Great Cities of Indus Valley Civilization". And this is still taught in the name of History by Macaulay System of Education.

And it is Gospel Truth for Disciples of Macaulay System of Education.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Ravana was not exactly a total devil, he had more shades of gray/black, even Rama had shades of gray! They both played their parts with their weaknesses and shortcomings. The story of Ramayana is much deeper than a simple story of hero vs villain.

Very true. It was a very human tragedy. No right or wrong.

But Still Aryans are Invaders of India who Destroyed "Dravidian Culture of Great Cities of Indus Valley Civilization". And this is still taught in the name of History by Macaulay System of Education.

And it is Gospel Truth for Disciples of Macaulay System of Education.

Actually it is not taught so strongly now. At least not on the terms you state.