Rapprochement with Pakistan not on cards: Israel

[Trango Towers]

You think you can quote messenger of Allah in reference to geo-political situation, and get away with it?
Now share proof of what you associate with messenger of Allah.
I will most certainly be keeping an eye on your lies.

Show me where I quote messenger of Allah.?
You will lose this contest of getting to me....I know I have got to you looooooool. Reprot that too

 

[Indos]

I will wager again on -

• Oman
• Indonesia

Somebody made valid point that huge % of Indonesians are against Israel. However I regard Indonesia as a strong state as opposed to soft state [Pakistan] meaning governments can make highly unpopular decisions but state has the mettle to hold on to that unpopular decision eventually leading to populations accepting the decision by default.

@Indos thoughts?

Look like I have to repeat my explanation many times over this issue. The controversy has been over about a week ago after foreign ministry made a clarification

Indonesia Denies in Talks with Israel

Indonesia denies Israeli media claims of normalizing ties with Israel and thus reaffirming their unwavering support for Palestine.

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Indonesian democracy starting from Jokowi administration indeed make many unpopular policy like the lifting of oil subsidy, the increase of electricity price for house hold, and the latest is the introduction of Omnibus Law.

Despite so, Palestinian-Israel is a sensitive issue that even administration under the lead of secular party (PDI-P) cannot change our foreign policy over the issue. The administration is also supported by three Islamist parties and the rest parties are really not as secular as PDI-P party.

Indonesia is even prepared to go against US if it is about Palestinian, including with foreign ministry work in UN Security council.

These are under current administration which is much less Islamic than previous one (SBY administration 2004-2014)

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[Indos]

This fascist state had been predicted by our prophet one of Hadith, that it will form near the end of times, would you deny this hadith, would ya???, Gulf states recognizing Israel (they are real enemies of Israel0 so what is the problem of Pakistan to recognize Israel????

What does it has relation with hadith ? The fact that Israel has existed and many nation including Muslim world will accept its existence as long as there are two state solution over this issue. The one that is against it only Iran and Hisbullah who said never want to accept Israel what ever the condition is.

 

[mudas777]

Can someone please explain why a significant number of our fellow Pakistanis are so touchy, insecure and averse to Pakistan recognizing Israel? These guys are also not bothered about the well-being and best interests of Pakistan as well.



Not saying that I disagree with you but what do we Pakistanis do when the Palestinians themselves recognize and heed to all of Israel's demands?

Bro why you want to stand on the day of judgement and questioned by your beloved prophet and what will be your answer for betraying Palestinians. Its not matter of profit/gain and winners and loser's, its matter of our principles for not betraying our own Muslims, Arabs or what ever race or colour they are. Considering Arabs who are willing to sell their souls to stay in power and other non Arabs traitors alike, Pakistan doesn't needs to join their ranks.
Pause and think Is Israel is going to sell their weapons to our country considering Indian market buying power their closeness then think again. Is Israel is going to bring investments in our country then think again as that country is run by US charity and funds themselves. What technology that country can offer us other then drip water and we are that muppets we can't do it ourselves. Only benefit i can see is FAFT it may help or we may be able to get some loans from IMF nothing else is going to come our way considering we are already burdened by loans. Other benefit may be our people are not harassed in gulf countries considering they are not living in luxury their and doing their jobs in appalling conditions at times hopefully not all will be lost.
Now think on the flip side regardless of recognizing Israel is US/India nexus will happily let us to develop and be part of the CPEC ? As Turks are indicating if we recognize occupation of Israel and discard UN resolutions are we are not losing moral ground on Kashmir ? We are finding it hard enough as it is to keep Mossad/RAW combination away from our borders even not having their embassy. Imagine what the scenario's will be when they are sitting here openly and start creating their own networks freely and our own soul sellers start visiting them in their air conditioned rooms.

I can list few more things but lets leave it at that and instead i will argue it is actually beneficial to keep distance from that country until Kashmir issue is resolved even Palestinians under pressure cave in or another traitors end up selling them for the sake of green card or dollars.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Bro why you want to stand on the day of judgement and questioned by your beloved prophet and what will be your answer for betraying Palestinians. Its not matter of profit/gain and winners and loser's, its matter of our principles for not betraying our own Muslims, Arabs or what ever race or colour they are. Considering Arabs who are willing to sell their souls to stay in power and other non Arabs traitors alike, Pakistan doesn't needs to join their ranks.
Pause and think Is Israel is going to sell their weapons to our country considering Indian market buying power their closeness then think again. Is Israel is going to bring investments in our country then think again as that country is run by US charity and funds themselves. What technology that country can offer us other then drip water and we are that muppets we can't do it ourselves. Only benefit i can see is FAFT it may help or we may be able to get some loans from IMF nothing else is going to come our way considering we are already burdened by loans. Other benefit may be our people are not harassed in gulf countries considering they are not living in luxury their and doing their jobs in appalling conditions at times hopefully not all will be lost.
Now think on the flip side regardless of recognizing Israel is US/India nexus will happily let us to develop and be part of the CPEC ? As Turks are indicating if we recognize occupation of Israel and discard UN resolutions are we are not losing moral ground on Kashmir ? We are finding it hard enough as it is to keep Mossad/RAW combination away from our borders even not having their embassy. Imagine what the scenario's will be when they are sitting here openly and start creating their own networks freely and our own soul sellers start visiting them in their air conditioned rooms.

I can list few more things but lets leave it at that and instead i will argue it is actually beneficial to keep distance from that country until Kashmir issue is resolved even Palestinians under pressure cave in or another traitors end up selling them for the sake of green card or dollars.

Agreed. Apart from one point though. Why is it okay for the Palestinians to betray Pakistani and Kashmiri people?:

Aren't Pakistanis and Kashmiris just as Muslim as the Palestinians/Arabs? Are we not as equal as them?

I think what annoys a lot of Pakistani patriots is the free pass and excuses ultra religious Pakistanis give to the Palestinians/Arabs to pursue their own interests even at the cost of Pakistanis/Kashmiris yet they don't want to give the same rights to their fellow Pakistanis. This badly exposes the double standard and hypocrisy of the ultra religious Pakistanis.

 

[m52k85]

Not saying that I disagree with you but what do we Pakistanis do when the Palestinians themselves recognize and heed to all of Israel's demands?

You are sure out of touch with ideology behind Pakistan for a budding patriot. I am not doubting your nationalism, just correcting it. Nationalism for a Pakistani is not like nationalism for most other countries, per the ideology of Pakistan nationalism is Islam.

 

[mudas777]

Agreed. Apart from one point though. Why is it okay for the Palestinians to betray Pakistani and Kashmiri people?:

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Aren't Pakistanis and Kashmiris just as Muslim as the Palestinians/Arabs? Are we not as equal as them?

I think what annoys a lot of Pakistani patriots is the free pass and excuses ultra religious Pakistanis give to the Palestinians/Arabs to pursue their own interests even at the cost of Pakistanis/Kashmiris yet they don't want to give the same rights to their fellow Pakistanis. This badly exposes the double standard and hypocrisy of the ultra religious Pakistanis.

Bro is Mahmood Abbas is a leader material all their leadership is all fuckers and sold out leaders. Our hearts are with the Palestinian nation not with those donkeys which are chasing the elusive carrot.

 

[Trango Towers]

Agreed. Apart from one point though. Why is it okay for the Palestinians to betray Pakistani and Kashmiri people?:

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Aren't Pakistanis and Kashmiris just as Muslim as the Palestinians/Arabs? Are we not as equal as them?

I think what annoys a lot of Pakistani patriots is the free pass and excuses ultra religious Pakistanis give to the Palestinians/Arabs to pursue their own interests even at the cost of Pakistanis/Kashmiris yet they don't want to give the same rights to their fellow Pakistanis. This badly exposes the double standard and hypocrisy of the ultra religious Pakistanis.

My dear..
If the whole world becomes kaffir. You still remain Muslim. Forget others. You do whats right. We are not sheep that follow.

 

[CIA Mole]

Israel's relative strength will dwindle overtime, especially if the US starts to have problems with the dollar due to debt.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

betraying Palestinians

What sort of idol worship is this? Are you telling the road to heaven goes through Palestinian gatekeepers? WtF? Are these Pals special Muslims? Why are you not crying on about Ughurs Muslims in China?

 

[Trango Towers]

Israel's relative strength will dwindle overtime, especially if the US starts to have problems with the dollar due to debt.

And when america wakes up to how its being raped by Israel and American Jews

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Look like I have to repeat my explanation many times over this issue.

Sorry about that. If we go by your imput then we can safely remove Indonesia. Which raises the question which is the "big Muslim country to the eat"? Malaysia or Bangladesh?

Personally I will still wager with Indonesia.

 

[Indos]

Sorry about that. If we go by your imput then we can safely remove Indonesia. Which raises the question which is the "big Muslim country to the eat"? Malaysia or Bangladesh?

Personally I will still wager with Indonesia.

Malaysia is impossible since it is under Sultanate despite it is also a democratic country in the same time. Big decision like this IMO will have to get their king acceptance (Sultanate is Islamic in nature). Despite so Malaysia is more possible to make this move compare to Indonesia IMO since the Malay race is only 60 % of the country overall population and not to mention there are Christian Malays as well.

What I would say it is only an attempt by Israel to test the water for non-Arab countries to follow UAE, Bahrain, Marocco, Sudan path. They try to get the momentum and use it for non Arab state. This cosmetic statement will also give those mentioned Arab nations more moral basis to counter any opposition inside their own country regarding their current foreign policy major change over Palestine-Israel conflict.

 

[xyxmt]

Correction: Rapprochement with Pakistan is not on their Cards

 

[White and Green with M/S]

So what isbthe rush to recognise? Why are you so keen to rush before even the Arabs? What will you get?

Can you show me this hadith please ? I would like to read it.

You should watch of End of time by Dr Shahid Masood, in his last episodes he shows that hadith