Raiwind killed terrorist refused burial by residents of Okara, Pakpattan

[FunkyGen]

You sir have probably been brought up in the same extremist level as the talibans.
I being civilised pay tribute to the worthless dead body. You may be evil for as long as your body has power to react, once you are piece of mud, you are worthless anyway. I find no difference between the extremists and civilised people when they both will start dishonouring the dead body. Islam does not allow that, civilised nation does not allow that, it is contradictory to basic humanitarian rights.

Mate you fail to understand the point.... the whole fiasco is about letting the extremist minded people in our country know that they won't even be awarded a proper burial..... and their parents along with their relatives will go on to disown them..... and please don't bring Islam ok.... everybody knows what Islam tells us and what not but sometimes common sense should be employed.....

 

[That Guy]

Sir,

This time---your opinion is worthless----. The bodies of these terrs need to be chopped up and mixed in human excretion and filth--- better example would be to put them in pigs bellies and then bury them---and same thing for the supporters of terrs.

Perhaps, maybe my opinion is worthless, but keep in mind, when fighting evil, it is imperative that you do not fall for the enemy's tactics. To not bury the dead is to go down to the same level as the people you're fighting.

Oh you can give them proper burial, just like OBL, it just doesn't need to be in their hometown. What you don't want is for some extreme mentality idiot to see their graves as martyrs; when all they did was killed a bunch of Pakistani citizens. The Ocean can consume all these and not present a future danger to population or to give birth to crazy followers

Question, didn't the ocean burial for OBL turn out to be a lie? I recall that there was a big US news agency saying that they had leaked docs showing that his body was taken out of the country.

Anyways, your point is valid.

 

[That Guy]

yes but they buried them in separate places, not in Muslim graveyards

Sure, but they were still buried, where they not? The dead were not refused this right.

 

[MastanKhan]

You sir have probably been brought up in the same extremist level as the talibans.

I being civilised pay tribute to the worthless dead body. You may be evil for as long as your body has power to react, once you are piece of mud, you are worthless anyway. I find no difference between the extremists and civilised people when they both will start dishonouring the dead body. Islam does not allow that, civilised nation does not allow that, it is contradictory to basic humanitarian rights.

Sir,
I am of the extremes that builds character in a nation. You pakistanis worship dead bodies----you make mausoleums over their graves and make them gods----you then worship at their graves and seek fulfilment of your desires from them----.
Nations who have become civilized and show character---pull up their histories and you will find that criminals and insurgents have been brutally executed by the state and even in death their remains displayed to set examples---properties confiscated---names struck of tribes and ethnic groups roll----.
That is what the punishment needs to be----they need to be expunged from the records of the ntion as muslims by the state----their properties confiscated----they bodies either burnt to ashes or buried in filth---.
If you had done it 10 years ago----you would have buried this menace longtime ago.
Don't give me this B S you being more civilized than me----being civilized has nothing to do with it----building a nation has everything to do with it.

 

[Viper0011.]

No, no lie there. It was done in accordance with the Islamic rules. I wasn't on the aircraft carrier personally witnessing it but I know that the US military takes the highest ethical level when conducting such things. Remember, its the same military that puts it soldiers through training on how to touch Quran when you come across one in the warzone. So if so much care is taken just to touch your holly book, an enemy killed in action is surely given proper burial at sea.

Question, didn't the ocean burial for OBL turn out to be a lie? I recall that there was a big US news agency saying that they had leaked docs showing that his body was taken out of the country.

No, no lie there. It was done in accordance with the Islamic rules. I wasn't on the aircraft carrier personally witnessing it but I know that the US military takes the highest ethical level when conducting such things. Remember, its the same military that puts it soldiers through training on how to touch Quran when you come across one in the warzone. So if so much care is taken just to touch your holly book, an enemy killed in action is surely given proper burial at sea.

 

[alibaz]

It seems I have to step in and present a dissenting opinion here. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE deserves the right to a proper burial. Even during the Islamic golden age, Muslim armies buried the dead of the enemies (crusaders, bandits...etc), not because of honor or respect, but because it was the right thing to do.

Enemy's soldier deserve respect for his bravery and his cause for fighting that is for defence of his nation whereas these rats don't deserve anything. Just Dispose them off as per their belief.

 

[Menace2Society]

They buried OBL in a titanium container and dropped him in the ocean. If that isn't hollywood I don't know what is.

In all seriousness send the body to Afghanistan.

 

[That Guy]

No, no lie there. It was done in accordance with the Islamic rules. I wasn't on the aircraft carrier personally witnessing it but I know that the US military takes the highest ethical level when conducting such things. Remember, its the same military that puts it soldiers through training on how to touch Quran when you come across one in the warzone. So if so much care is taken just to touch your holly book, an enemy killed in action is surely given proper burial at sea.

Technically, it wasn't according to Islamic law. Islamic law says that Muslims are to buried on land, except if they die at sea. OBL didn't die at sea, so it was not done according to Islamic law.

Also, US military rules have high standards, yes, but those standards (as you well know) are hardly adhered to.

 

[Verve]

If there is no Hadith on the burial of Kahwarijs (hounds of hell), then authorities should bury him in an unmarked grave in an unknown location (even to his family members).

 

[waz]

As according to Islamic law they are not to be given a Janazah and either buried unmarked or thrown into a pit with their comrades. This is what the fourth Caliph Hazart Ali(ra) did with them.

They are a cancer, and at war with the nation and its people.

 

[Imran Khan]

Although there is something which cheered me for a moment but I strongly feel every dead body deserves a respect even if it's the most wicked person on earth.

He must be buried with honour and made sure that his grave is not raged after

Terrorist is a terrorist until he is alive

sometime we don't need to be nice with dead bodies janab .

 

[Viper0011.]

Technically, it wasn't according to Islamic law. Islamic law says that Muslims are to buried on land, except if they die at sea. OBL didn't die at sea, so it was not done according to Islamic law.

Also, US military rules have high standards, yes, but those standards (as you well know) are hardly adhered to.

You are sadly off on both the topics. I'd suggest you learn before you talk like an expert.
1) Tell me where is the Islamic way of burial defined? When is the ocean used in that context, where is it in the Quran and in other sect based literature?
2) In the early days of WOT in Iraq, there were a LOT of media news about how American soldiers were touching Quran with bare hands (Without washing them as a Muslim does). The Pentagon launched a special training program to train soldiers on how to handle Quran properly if they come across one. You think they just did that for fun and poured in millions to set up training, moving soldiers in and out of that training, etc? ? You are forgetting, the US military has its own Muslim countrymen as soldiers too. So its not like Islam doesn't exist in the military. Will you hear one or two incidents of misuse? Absolutely. That's with everything. But do give credit to where its deserved.

 

[KingMamba]

You are sadly off on both the topics. I'd suggest you learn before you talk like an expert.
1) Tell me where is the Islamic way of burial defined? When is the ocean used in that context, where is it in the Quran and in other sect based literature?
2) In the early days of WOT in Iraq, there were a LOT of media news about how American soldiers were touching Quran with bare hands (Without washing them as a Muslim does). The Pentagon launched a special training program to train soldiers on how to handle Quran properly if they come across one. You think they just did that for fun and poured in millions to set up training, moving soldiers in and out of that training, etc? ? You are forgetting, the US military has its own Muslim countrymen as soldiers too. So its not like Islam doesn't exist in the military. Will you hear one or two incidents of misuse? Absolutely. That's with everything. But do give credit to where its deserved.

He is right there is no burial at sea according to Islamic law, any Muslim well versed in his or her religion can see through that story lol. According to Islam the body must be buried in the ground even if the death occurred at sea, the only exception is if the body begins to rot and land is still far away then you can chuck the body into the ocean. Considering that most sea voyages are a lot faster than they used to be and the fact that you can just freeze bodies today in morgue like rooms even on boats to prevent rot there is no reason why the body should not be buried in the ground.

Here is more info.
Burial at sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[That Guy]

You are sadly off on both the topics. I'd suggest you learn before you talk like an expert.

You do realize that I was agreeing with you, which is why I addressed only a part of your point, right? Read between the lines please.

Also, you brought those points up, I just addressed them.

When and where did I claim I was an expert? I'm more of a forum pundit, I base my opinions on things I know and have learned, that doesn't make me an expert. I've made that clear to everyone on the forums, but apparently, you seem to think otherwise.

1) Tell me where is the Islamic way of burial defined? When is the ocean used in that context, where is it in the Quran and in other sect based literature?

There is a small wiki piece on it, you can start from there. This is public knowledge, so I'm not going to do your homework for you...

Burial at sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2) In the early days of WOT in Iraq, there were a LOT of media news about how American soldiers were touching Quran with bare hands (Without washing them as a Muslim does). The Pentagon launched a special training program to train soldiers on how to handle Quran properly if they come across one. You think they just did that for fun and poured in millions to set up training, moving soldiers in and out of that training, etc? ? You are forgetting, the US military has its own Muslim countrymen as soldiers too. So its not like Islam doesn't exist in the military. Will you hear one or two incidents of misuse? Absolutely. That's with everything. But do give credit to where its deserved.

I have given credit, by saying that the US military has high standards, but it is not a stretch to say that those standards are hardly adhered to by individual soldiers on the ground. If the standards were adhered to, those few incidents would never have happened. The fact that a few individuals have been caught mishandling Qurans, this shows to me that there might be more incidents where individuals who just haven't been caught.

You seem to be a bit...off about this, relax, have a kitten...

 

[Viper0011.]

I have given credit, by saying that the US military has high standards, but it is not a stretch to say that those standards are hardly adhered to by individual soldiers on the ground. If the standards were adhered to, those few incidents would never have happened. The fact that a few individuals have been caught mishandling Qurans, this shows to me that there might be more incidents where individuals who just haven't been caught.

You seem to be a bit...off about this, relax, have a kitten...

Lol, I am a dog person, German Shepherds or Doberman to be precise. No kitten's for me. Also, the above is where have an issue with your statement. When military training is given on rules, the soldiers adhere to it as otherwise, the broken rules could turn into court marshal. So your statement that the rules aren't adhered to, isn't right. Second, out of a military spanning multiple million people and different races, etc, 1% incidents are to be expected. You, like the rest of the Pakistani posters on here, are looking for 100% satisfaction rate, that doesn't exist as humans make mistakes. The key factor that I feel like is ignored the most in the Pakistani society, its all or nothing about any topic.