Railway catering scam: 100gm curd for ₹972, refined oil for ₹1,241 a litre

[Soumitra]

Ok let me try answering you one by one.

1. Yes it does matter as to who is trying to get it banned. As you agreed that BJP has political reasons opposing it as this will consolidate its Hindutva votebank and at the same time will antagonize muslims. And speaking about opposition, let me take you to through a history trip. Many muslim rulers back then did not try interfering with local customs, so was the case with British. Nehru, Ambedkar and others who tried to reform Hindu laws so that Hindu women can more rights were met with stiff opposition from many quarters, and the irony is RSS was one of them who fought tooth and nail stop Hindu code bill. Couple of links and excerpts for your reference.

The below are some of the laws which were to be brought in

"(1) For the first time, the widow and daughter were awarded the same share of property as the son; (2) for the first time, women were allowed to divorce a cruel or negligent husband; (3) for the first time, the husband was prohibited from taking a second wife; (4) for the first time, a man and woman of different castes could be married under Hindu law; (5) for the first time, a Hindu couple could adopt a child of a different caste."

In the vanguard of the opposition was the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). In a single year, 1949, the RSS organised as many as 79 meetings in Delhi where effigies of Nehru and Ambedkar were burnt, and where the new Bill was denounced as an attack on Hindu culture and tradition.

Nehru And The Hindu Code Bill - Outlook India
The Hindu : Reforming the Hindus

So when BJP/Sangh with its known anti-muslim antecedents tries raking up issues like Triple Talaaq, muslims are bound to repel it and even the saner voices among muslims will find it difficult to convince their community.

2. As said earlier that I am against Triple talaq and also for a law stopping it but I am against the hoopla created over it. What BJP and its parent org is doing is to make the issue sound too big. What will be your top preference if say you have a burglary in a nearby house and a riot nearby. Which one would be your priority? There are many issues which are much more important and critical than Triple Talaq but our government seems to have forgotten other issues. If you are so concerned about women rights, why not take action over the huge number abandonment of women by their husbands(Modi being one of the culprit himself), dowry deaths, rapes, child marriages etc

Both your points can be answered in one point. Yes Hindu laws were reformed in 1950's. there would have been opposition no doubt about it. But the laws were reformed and it is now 60 years since then. Pray tell me why didnt Muslim laws get reformed at the same time. You say there are other issues but why did successive congress govt ignore this issue all these years - One reason only :- Vote Bank Politics

BJP has a hindutva vote bank. They are open about it. In addition they also want a Muslim women vote bank. If getting rid of triple talaq can help in that why not? this has been in their manifesto. If Congress did it in 60 years they were in power BJP woulndt have to do it

 

[The_Showstopper]

Both your points can be answered in one point. Yes Hindu laws were reformed in 1950's. there would have been opposition no doubt about it. But the laws were reformed and it is now 60 years since then. Pray tell me why didnt Muslim laws get reformed at the same time. You say there are other issues but why did successive congress govt ignore this issue all these years - One reason only :- Vote Bank Politics

BJP has a hindutva vote bank. They are open about it. In addition they also want a Muslim women vote bank. If getting rid of triple talaq can help in that why not? this has been in their manifesto. If Congress did it in 60 years they were in power BJP woulndt have to do it

There is an apt time for everything. Had this Triple Talaaq being a big deal, there would have been widespread opposition to it within the muslim community. There are handful of Triple Talaq cases and if you want to impose your will on a community based on this. It will obviously send wrong signals. Let me give you an example. I come from Hyderabad and let me tell you that a decade ago, dowry was more of a norm among muslims very much like Hindus but it has changed drastically because many muslim organisations have campaigned against it locally and now it has become a taboo though it is still existent but not as widespread as it was then.

If you think muslim women will become a votebank for BJP because of this, then you are mistaken, BJP may get some votes from women who have actually gone through this but not from muslim women in entirety.

 

[Soumitra]

There is an apt time for everything. Had this Triple Talaaq being a big deal, there would have been widespread opposition to it within the muslim community. There are handful of Triple Talaq cases and if you want to impose your will on a community based on this. It will obviously send wrong signals. Let me give you an example. I come from Hyderabad and let me tell you that a decade ago, dowry was more of a norm among muslims very much like Hindus but it has changed drastically because many muslim organisations have campaigned against it locally and now it has become a taboo though it is still existent but not as widespread as it was then.

If you think muslim women will become a votebank for BJP because of this, then you are mistaken, BJP may get some votes from women who have actually gone through this but not from muslim women in entirety.

A time will never come. they had 70 years and they didnt do it. The congress wont do it.

And as for the assertion that only a minority is affected. Lets say only 1%. That is still 1.7 Million which BTW is NOT a handful

 

[The_Showstopper]

A time will never come. they had 70 years and they didnt do it. The congress wont do it.

And as for the assertion that only a minority is affected. Lets say only 1%. That is still 1.7 Million which BTW is NOT a handful

So you will give us the time frame, Is it? If I remember correctly, was it not you who moaned over me replying to a poster's inquiry over some Hindu religious issue(When I was in conversation with Sinopakfriend guy). So tell me who are you to give me time frame on my religious issue.

How did you get that number even on assumption. Total muslim population in India is 170 million, So believing half of them are women, the number would be 85 million, And out of 85 million, if I can assume that 60 million are married and going by 5% average of divorces in muslims, the total divorces would be around 3 million divorces. So one percent of those divorces would be some where around 30,000. Many of those 30,000 remarry since muslims have higher divorce rates in the age group of 20-34 years, so we are just looking at few hundreds who genuinely suffer because of Triple Talaq. Now compare this number to dowry deaths, Child marriages, abandoned Hindu women etc.

At 240 million, India has a third of child marriages in the world

So tell me what numbers say?

 

[Soumitra]

So you will give us the time frame, Is it? If I remember correctly, was it not you who moaned over me replying to a poster's inquiry over some Hindu religious issue(When I was in conversation with Sinopakfriend guy). So tell me who are you to give me time frame on my religious issue.

How did you get that number even on assumption. Total muslim population in India is 170 million, So believing half of them are women, the number would be 85 million, And out of 85 million, if I can assume that 60 million are married and going by 5% average of divorces in muslims, the total divorces would be around 3 million divorces. So one percent of those divorces would be some where around 30,000. Many of those 30,000 remarry since muslims have higher divorce rates in the age group of 20-34 years, so we are just looking at few hundreds who genuinely suffer because of Triple Talaq. Now compare this number to dowry deaths, Child marriages, abandoned Hindu women etc.

At 240 million, India has a third of child marriages in the world

So tell me what numbers say?

I have no problem if any regressive practices of Hindus are banned - Whether they are done by BJP or Congress.

The bottom line is that even though you want it you are upset that BJP is doing it becuase you know no one else has the will to do it

 

[ashok321]

At 240 million, India has a third of child marriages in the world

So tell me what numbers say?

Child marriage?
Indians have the best example of their PM (Modi) who mate such fate and abandoned his wife.

 

[Soumitra]

so we are just looking at few hundreds who genuinely suffer because of Triple Talaq.

Yeah just a few hundred suffer from Triple Talaq that is why we have these many news reports in a 2 week period

https://www.thequint.com/india/2017/04/21/hyderabad-techie-triple-talaq-mba-wife-on-whatsapp21st April

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/national-level-player-gives-birth-to-girl-gets-talaq-on-phone-1684861 23 April

http://www.news18.com/news/india/af...ds-to-stop-husbands-4th-marriage-1390655.html 3rd May

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...e-previous-marriages/articleshow/58484110.cms 3rd May

http://www.india.com/news/india/tri...ia-letter-in-meerut-calls-it-invalid-2103838/ 6th May

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...self-in-chhattisgarh/articleshow/58556564.cms 7th May

http://www.freepressjournal.in/mumbai/husband-sends-triple-talaq-to-pune-wife-on whatsapp/1063798 7th May

http://www.hindustantimes.com/noida...her-parents/story-Lj5elcXAc7BBD3NdVrh50K.html 7th May

 

[Sully3]

Yeah just a few hundred suffer from Triple Talaq that is why we have these many news reports in a 2 week period

https://www.thequint.com/india/2017/04/21/hyderabad-techie-triple-talaq-mba-wife-on-whatsapp21st April

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/national-level-player-gives-birth-to-girl-gets-talaq-on-phone-1684861 23 April

http://www.news18.com/news/india/af...ds-to-stop-husbands-4th-marriage-1390655.html 3rd May

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...e-previous-marriages/articleshow/58484110.cms 3rd May

http://www.india.com/news/india/tri...ia-letter-in-meerut-calls-it-invalid-2103838/ 6th May

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...self-in-chhattisgarh/articleshow/58556564.cms 7th May

http://www.freepressjournal.in/mumbai/husband-sends-triple-talaq-to-pune-wife-on whatsapp/1063798 7th May

http://www.hindustantimes.com/noida...her-parents/story-Lj5elcXAc7BBD3NdVrh50K.html 7th May

wait you are talking about talaq on a thread about some low level corruption on rail catering services.

any chance for indians to show their hate towards muslims i guess

 

[Soumitra]

wait you are talking about talaq on a thread about some low level corruption on rail catering services.

any chance for indians to show their hate towards muslims i guess

Unfortunately the topic got diverted long back.See the first page itself

 

[Fledgingwings]

Bad day for indian railway!

 

[The_Showstopper]

Yeah just a few hundred suffer from Triple Talaq that is why we have these many news reports in a 2 week period

https://www.thequint.com/india/2017/04/21/hyderabad-techie-triple-talaq-mba-wife-on-whatsapp21st April

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/national-level-player-gives-birth-to-girl-gets-talaq-on-phone-1684861 23 April

http://www.news18.com/news/india/af...ds-to-stop-husbands-4th-marriage-1390655.html 3rd May

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...e-previous-marriages/articleshow/58484110.cms 3rd May

http://www.india.com/news/india/tri...ia-letter-in-meerut-calls-it-invalid-2103838/ 6th May

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...self-in-chhattisgarh/articleshow/58556564.cms 7th May

http://www.freepressjournal.in/mumbai/husband-sends-triple-talaq-to-pune-wife-on whatsapp/1063798 7th May

http://www.hindustantimes.com/noida...her-parents/story-Lj5elcXAc7BBD3NdVrh50K.html 7th May

So you just vindicated my claim, In 2 weeks all you have is a couple of Triple talaqs and in fact in one of the case you posted it was the parents of the girl who wanted a quick triple talaaq. So going by your numbers of 2 weeks, couple of hundreds would have gone through triple talaaqs in a year or two. And as you can see there are good number of young women in there who will remarry. So effectively very few women actually suffer. And as I said earlier all this hullabaloo is just to antagonise a certain community.

I have no problem if any regressive practices of Hindus are banned - Whether they are done by BJP or Congress.

The bottom line is that even though you want it you are upset that BJP is doing it becuase you know no one else has the will to do it

So do you support women's entry into certain temples which stops their entry?

You very well know that even BJP is genuinely not interested in abolition of Triple Talaaqs. There are just doing it "chaabi" muslims and many are falling into the trap.

 

[Soumitra]

So you just vindicated my claim, In 2 weeks all you have is a couple of Triple talaqs and in fact in one of the case you posted it was the parents of the girl who wanted a quick triple talaaq. So going by your numbers of 2 weeks, couple of hundreds would have gone through triple talaaqs in a year or two. And as you can see there are good number of young women in there who will remarry. So effectively very few women actually suffer. And as I said earlier all this hullabaloo is just to antagonise a certain community.

Are you delibirateley trying to be dumb. these are 8 cases in 2 week period which I found by a cursory 5 min google search. And all these are ridiculous cases like triple talaq over whatsapp or triple talaq for giving namkeen. This is not an official record of all the cases. This is just a tip of the iceberg. Extremely ridiculous cases that the media picked up.

Extrapolating this there will be 200 + extremely ridiculous casees that the media will pick up. But are you sure that these are the only cases? Do you have an offical record of the actual number of cases

And going by your logic since there are maybe one or two cases of cow vigilantism in a month why should there be so much noise for 20 odd cases in an year

So do you support women's entry into certain temples which stops their entry?

Yes I support their right to enter the temples as well as Dargahs, Gurdwaras and Churches fully

You very well know that even BJP is genuinely not interested in abolition of Triple Talaaqs. There are just doing it "chaabi" muslims and many are falling into the trap.

Maybe , Maybe not but if the end result is positive and BJP gets some votes from Muslim Women as well as consolidating their hindutva vote bank what is the problem

 

[The_Showstopper]

Are you delibirateley trying to be dumb. these are 8 cases in 2 week period which I found by a cursory 5 min google search. And all these are ridiculous cases like triple talaq over whatsapp or triple talaq for giving namkeen. This is not an official record of all the cases. This is just a tip of the iceberg. Extremely ridiculous cases that the media picked up.

Extrapolating this there will be 200 + extremely ridiculous casees that the media will pick up. But are you sure that these are the only cases? Do you have an offical record of the actual number of cases

And going by your logic since there are maybe one or two cases of cow vigilantism in a month why should there be so much noise for 20 odd cases in an year

Then why not post some hard figures, you want to make assumptions based on media reports and when I retort your claim using the very same media reports. You claim these media reports to be a tip of an iceberg yet unable to locate that iceberg. Bring me hard data rather than your assumptions which have been debunked.

So you want to compare Triple talaq with killings/attacks by Hindutva terrorists over Cows. You sound really desperate. If this is your idea of drawing parity, then your next comparison would be "Hey why so much outrage over one or two cases of Cow "Vigilantism" a month when there are numerous robberies and murders happening on a daily basis. No?

Are you delibirateley trying to be dumb. these are 8 cases in 2 week period which I found by a cursory 5 min google search. And all these are ridiculous cases like triple talaq over whatsapp or triple talaq for giving namkeen. This is not an official record of all the cases. This is just a tip of the iceberg. Extremely ridiculous cases that the media picked up.

Extrapolating this there will be 200 + extremely ridiculous casees that the media will pick up. But are you sure that these are the only cases? Do you have an offical record of the actual number of cases

And going by your logic since there are maybe one or two cases of cow vigilantism in a month why should there be so much noise for 20 odd cases in an year



Yes I support their right to enter the temples as well as Dargahs, Gurdwaras and Churches fully



Maybe , Maybe not but if the end result is positive and BJP gets some votes from Muslim Women as well as consolidating their hindutva vote bank what is the problem

Of course no problem for BJP.