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Rafale warplane deal stalled, UAE says proposal "unworkable"

Santro !
comment on the topic, your above listed theory breaks as long as I and others like me exist.
Neither can we complain as long as we are guilty of the same crime.
I have worked with AHQ, AWC and GHQ long enough.

Back on Topic:
I heard that some officers and advisers were pissed at Thales, and revenged by ruining the deal.

So have I, the theory holds on and off.
It isnt a hard and fast rule, but applies more towards those states "looking" to be progressive.
If it did not apply, there would be a few PAF pilots on the block 60's as well. Apart from a checkride or two.. no exchange pilot is allowed near those birds specifically because the Sheikhs gave in to the Americans.
They could get some backbone and stand up to them.

Are we not guilty of the same with the new block-52's? pretty much.


On your second part, what you mention is the anger at thales not offering anything better than what it already has..for a greater price than any of its competitors.
 
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Have you been to the UAE lately?? Have you seen how advanced that country is?? Their leaders are by far the best in the region if you ask me in the way they treat their people.

Are you being serious? OMG man, how do you people define advanced? that country is nothing, your country is the most self sufficient and advanced country on this planet compared to them.
 
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I think we have all heard in this forum about the possible sale of Su-35 to UAE.
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But in my opinion is better for them to negotiate for the PAK FA as its much better aircraft in every way and they also have a chance to get involve in such project by spending some money in to it.
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Have you been to the UAE lately?? Have you seen how advanced that country is?? Their leaders are by far the best in the region if you ask me in the way they treat their people.

They have no economy, all they have is a tourism industry wholly built with borrowed money. Everything that shines is not gold. ;)
 
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The french are sore lossers always have been always will be when it comes to doing business they are very greedy and thats why they can't sell their fighter (s) simple logic don't need rocket science to be talked about for pages on a thread.
 
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They have no economy, all they have is a tourism industry wholly built with borrowed money. Everything that shines is not gold. ;)

Nope , only Dubai is in a dept. The rest of the emirates are still pretty rich. Dubai has hardly any oil/gas reserves , which might be the reason why it is in so much dept. Anyway , Dubai will easily make up for this through tourism.
 
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after all France left so many customers on the demand of India so they shold buy that RAFAEL from them....:smokin:
 
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I think we have all heard in this forum about the possible sale of Su-35 to UAE.
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But in my opinion is better for them to negotiate for the PAK FA as its much better aircraft in every way and they also have a chance to get involve in such project by spending some money in to it.
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There was the Su-37 Terminator project made on the request of the UAE MILAVIA Aircraft - Sukhoi Su-37 Terminator And this was the reason why they got the F-16 block 60 by the way put a huge pressure on the US at that time.
 
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UAE should just go for F-35. They have the money after all ;)
 
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Good decision by UAE, I think its lesson for Indians, France charging them 45Million$ for each Mirage fighter upgrade :lol:

Rafale is multi role but having issues, Typhoon only have A2A capability, Gripen NG have too many American hardware and Russian fighter out of question i don't know which fighter really suits Emirate Airforce doctrine.

Today despite having money many countries are struggling to get their hands on right plane with affordable price like India, UAE, Turkey, Brazil, Saudis and many others i think we Pakistani's are lucky we have JF-17 and upgrades are already planned, J-10B in pipeline and 5th generation J-20 in future no tension of ToT, CISOMA, Kill switches, source codes, sanctions bla bla bla.
 
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An Interview with Dassault Executive about this thing:

From the current issue of DSI magazine, in an article called "Awaiting the UAE": And about the UAE demand to have a more powerful RBE2 radar, could it answer to some expectations for the Air force?
The Air Force is interested in having a RBE2 with an active antenna. It is now established with the powerful AESA antenna which will equip our tranche 4 Rafale. What the Emirians are calling for is much more complex. They want, in addition to the AESA, to have new functionalities on their Rafale, such as GMTT / GMTI (detection and tracking of moving ground target), interlacing between air/air and air/ground modes, etc.. Even if this is not for us an urgent need, the operational 'plus' obtained could nonetheless eventually interest us. However, the key Emirian demand is about the range of the RBE2. And, with the same antenna diameter, the only way to achieve the 10% range increase (compared with the Basic AESA F3 "roadmap") that wish to obtain the Emirians, is a big boost to the power of the radar. But more power to the RBE2.

could it be a risk to generate serious electromagnetic interference (EMI) with the SPECTRA receptors ?
There is indeed a very real EMI risk to treat. This is the case whenever we want to change aircraft emission systems. There are solutions, obviously, but this will require to reexamine SPECTRA. But the biggest problem we have identified is about electric generation, which could be insufficient. To increase the maximum range of a few nautical miles, we would have to deeply review the electrical generation system of the aircraft. In short, to conceive what it could be a Rafale-9, that is to say a new aircraft moving away from the similarity you want with french Rafale. The Emirati experts participating in negotiations are well aware of the problem. But they are also used to have very high quality weapons systems. They want to avoid any regression with the Rafale, at least on the radar range, compared to the F-16 Block 60, the Rafale having also many other qualities. The Emirians don't have AWACS and therefore want - it is a fundamental requirement - that the Rafale can see very far. Beyond the radar, they are showing fairly strong requirements into SPECTRA development with, for example, the expansion of some frequency bands, an increased sensitivity, adding functionalities; in short, they want we push up the current technologies. Of course, to improve the electronic warfare of our Rafale faster than originally planned could be an additional operational advantage for the Air force. However, our current approach is to consolidate the features implemented in SPECTRA, to make them more robust and make it easier for operators and programmers before wanting to go further into addition of new capabilities. The current SPECTRA is working well and even very good. In sum, what separates us, about Spectra, is a matter of timing and calendar [?]. In a more general way, we share the same wishes about capabilities, but with very different maturities calendar sometimes. Budgetary constraints remain a dimensioning factor. The Emirians want a viewfinder-HMD ... It's true. And ourselves, one way or another, we will. For various reasons, we agreed in the past to not use it initially, but this equipment is now an almost indispensable element for modern combat aircraft. Besides various prospects of the Rafale - the UAE, Brazil and Switzerland also want it, confirming this analysis.


In the end, what about the eventuality of a Rafale order by the UAE?

Very sincerely, and seen from my place, I think we're really not very far from being able to reach a common ground with our UAE friends. The only pertinent question to be asked is whether the will of similarity expressed by the Emirians will prevail over their performance requirement If performance is what counts, in fact we'll get two quite different Rafale - as with the Mirage 2000-9 - because the french state can not or do not want to follow it. If the community is paramount, the Emirians will have to reduce their ambitions with regard to performance. The choice is now in their hands. They must see if their operational necessities allow them or not to settle for a weapon system fairly close to the F3 "roadmap" French standard. They must decide whether they consider more important to work very closely with us. I know they have already expressed the wish, in case of order, to be able to send their pilots very quickly in our Rafale units where they could train, learn the Rafale and our tactical employment. To obtain a rapid operational rise of their own Rafale squadron. in that case their Rafale configuration and ours must not be very different. But it remains to be seen ... That is where we are I think.
 
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