RAFALE VS F-16 BLOCK52+

[Manticore]

 

[notorious_eagle]

You know what in Kargil most of the weapons used where from American origin.. secondly F-16 birds where not part of the war... fearing Mig-29... We underestimated the seriousness initially but the skill employed by IAF and IA helped us win...

Where did you come up with this conclusion? The F16's at no point feared the MIG29's, stop making up random B.S. The F16's were employed and it was not the MIG29s, but lack of spares that kept it back. Spares were being preserved in case a full shooting war breaks out. It were not only the F16's but the entire PAF that was not part of the war as the IAF fighters never crossed the border. Indeed great skill applied by IAF and IA, an entire division was needed to take out a battalion that had no air support, Good Job Indeed.

Do you even know what 10 km> is in mordern day combat...........the news papers and media all over the world would've been filled with images and stories about F-16s escorting Su 30s...........

PAF never released the HUD pictures to any news outlet, but the picture was shown to Admiral Mullen to make it clear to the Indians that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated. PAF and IAF are professional entities, pictures and news like this is not fed to the media.

Heck with flankers flying..........armed with R-73.........30 mm canon.....plus TVC.......I don't think even F-22 would get as close as 10 km.........never minds its Pakistan after all.

Oh my, you have been playing too many video games. After this post, you have officially joined the fanboy clan with your mate Storm Force.

 

[dbc]

You do not think Kargil also was an asymmetric type of warfare,
The IAF did what was akin to searching a needle in haystack, with NLI entrenching themselves in pockets along the valley.
Excerpts from the same:

You didn't answer my question

Why did the Indian Air Force send unprotected (no flare dispensers) on CAS missions when the adversary is known to have one of the best man portable anti aircraft missile? Is the IAF not responsible for the death of the 5 crew members that became victims of the Stinger?

 

[dbc]

You know what in Kargil most of the weapons used where from American origin.. secondly F-16 birds where not part of the war... fearing Mig-29... We underestimated the seriousness initially but the skill employed by IAF and IA helped us win...

F-16's were not involved because the PAF was kept in the dark and because Pakistan wanted to show the world Kashmir freedom fighters were responsible for the attack, hard to do that with the F-16's flying top cover.

And what do you mean by weapons were US origin?

If the IAF performance was so brilliant why were ten senior officers demoted or forced to retire early immediately after Kargil?

 

[SBD-3]

Oh my, you have been playing too many video games. After this post, you have officially joined the fanboy clan with your mate Storm Force.

Just go to Indian defence and post DRDO is developing a spaceship....I bet these guys will be jumping with joy....these people only come here to troll....

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Just go to Indian defence and post DRDO is developing a spaceship....I bet these guys will be jumping with joy....these people only come here to troll....

Who's trolling now?? Irresponsible members like u always invite the trolls. Same joke u put on Darky can be applied to u. He asked for a link and U answered search it in google.

And ITs ISRO's duty to develop a space ship or shuttle. At least we can send our satalites to sky and rockets to moon. Can ur country can claim to do so.

So be reasonable. In the end the result will be a beutiful THREAD DERAILED.

 

[MastanKhan]

NATO flew 21,000 sorties over Yugoslavia and lost only 2 aircraft. India flew 500 sorties during Kargil and lost four not a combat record I'd boast about.

DBC,

I did not want to get into that part---and I understand what you were saying about the 300 against-----.

 

[GORKHALI]

NATO flew 21,000 sorties over Yugoslavia and lost only 2 aircraft. India flew 500 sorties during Kargil and lost four not a combat record I'd boast about.

Didn't you lost a F117 i must say a super stealthy aircraft shot down by rag tag army with SA 3 and same thing happened with F 16C over yogosalavia ..Atleast you could say we lost 2 3rd generation aircrafts due to lack of counter measures for stingers lol but hey its US OF A ,we always fight our own war and take care of ourselves unlike some who still fighting for over a decade and almost in the verge of run away from battle ground...

 

[dbc]

Didn't you lost a F117 i must say a super stealthy aircraft shot down by rag tag army with SA 3 and same thing happened with F 16C over yogosalavia ..Atleast you could say we lost 2 3rd generation aircrafts due to lack of counter measures for stingers lol but hey its US OF A ,we always fight our own war and take care of ourselves unlike some who still fighting for over a decade and almost in the verge of run away from battle ground...

What's the matter lil boy you can't handle the truth?

 

[marcos98]

You didn't answer my question

Why did the Indian Air Force send unprotected (no flare dispensers) on CAS missions when the adversary is known to have one of the best man portable anti aircraft missile? Is the IAF not responsible for the death of the 5 crew members that became victims of the Stinger?

These fighters and helos were shot with 2 days of commencing OP Safed Sagar.
It was obvious that the IAF under-estimated the SAM threat.
Here again i quote Air cmdr. Tufail:

The IAF immediately went into a reappraisal mode and came out with GPS-assisted high altitude bombing by MiG-21, MiG-23BN and MiG-27 as a makeshift solution. In the meantime, quick modification on the Mirage-2000 for day/night laser bombing kits (Litening pods) was initiated with the help of Israelis. Conventional bombing that started incessantly after a two-day operational hiatus, was aimed at harassment and denial of respite to the infiltrators, with consequent adverse effects on morale.

 

[GORKHALI]

Where did you come up with this conclusion? The F16's at no point feared the MIG29's, stop making up random B.S. The F16's were employed and it was not the MIG29s, but lack of spares that kept it back. Spares were being preserved in case a full shooting war breaks out. It were not only the F16's but the entire PAF that was not part of the war as the IAF fighters never crossed the border. Indeed great skill applied by IAF and IA, an entire division was needed to take out a battalion that had no air support, Good Job Indeed.



PAF never released the HUD pictures to any news outlet, but the picture was shown to Admiral Mullen to make it clear to the Indians that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated. PAF and IAF are professional entities, pictures and news like this is not fed to the media.



Oh my, you have been playing too many video games. After this post, you have officially joined the fanboy clan with your mate Storm Force.

Damn!excuses excuses and excuses. We all know why PAF didn't came forward to help army ..
1>PAF involvment might turned the tables in international arena who was already furious on pakistan for its misadventenure
2>Because PAF was under US SANCTION,its F/16 was spending more time on ground than in air.
3>India BVR threat was immnent and nightmares for PAF .IAF mirage jets were carry 2 Super matra 530D during package delievry and Mig 29 was giving superior air cover carrying R 77

 

[SBD-3]

Didn't you lost a F117 i must say a super stealthy aircraft shot down by rag tag army with SA 3 and same thing happened with F 16C over yogosalavia ..Atleast you could say we lost 2 3rd generation aircrafts due to lack of counter measures for stingers lol but hey its US OF A ,we always fight our own war and take care of ourselves unlike some who still fighting for over a decade and almost in the verge of run away from battle ground...

This is quite debatable that Serbians downed F-117 with skilled shot or with luck. Apparently, they studied the pattern and concentrated their missile battries in that specific area. The missles fired were SA-3 which were manually guided to the target and used heat sources as homing beacon. Serbians claim that they were able to detect the F-117 with operating their radars on longer wave lenght, Yet had it been working then they would not have deployed the spotters on the area which they did. They fired a lot of missiles in the expected direction of F-117 as soon as one was spotted in hope of one scoring, which eventually happened. Let me recall the interview of F-117 pilot (i think capt dwelle) in which he said that he was able to dodge most of the missiles and the casualty was not a result of direct hit, but an SA-3 exploding in proximity. Though Serbians claimed they had "modified" their radars for f-117 detection, yet they were never been able to differentiate their claim.

 

[GORKHALI]

This is quite debatable that Serbians downed F-117 with skilled shot or with luck. Apparently, they studied the pattern and concentrated their missile battries in that specific area. The missles fired were SA-3 which were manually guided to the target and used heat sources as homing beacon. Serbians claim that they were able to detect the F-117 with operating their radars on longer wave lenght, Yet had it been working then they would not have deployed the spotters on the area which they did. They fired a lot of missiles in the expected direction of F-117 as soon as one was spotted in hope of one scoring, which eventually happened. Let me recall the interview of F-117 pilot (i think capt dwelle) in which he said that he was able to dodge most of the missiles and the casualty was not a result of direct hit, but an SA-3 exploding in proximity. Though Serbians claimed they had "modified" their radars for f-117 detection, yet they were never been able to differentiate their claim.

Who said that ?? The pilot who lost his plane and country who lost her pride.War is no luck but all effort man.India fought its war single handly but USA needs its allies .There is no comparison between US and India .

 

[The_Sidewinder]

This is quite debatable that Serbians downed F-117 with skilled shot or with luck. Apparently, they studied the pattern and concentrated their missile battries in that specific area. The missles fired were SA-3 which were manually guided to the target and used heat sources as homing beacon. Serbians claim that they were able to detect the F-117 with operating their radars on longer wave lenght, Yet had it been working then they would not have deployed the spotters on the area which they did. They fired a lot of missiles in the expected direction of F-117 as soon as one was spotted in hope of one scoring, which eventually happened. Let me recall the interview of F-117 pilot (i think capt dwelle) in which he said that he was able to dodge most of the missiles and the casualty was not a result of direct hit, but an SA-3 exploding in proximity. Though Serbians claimed they had "modified" their radars for f-117 detection, yet they were never been able to differentiate their claim.

Probably Ur right. Downing f117 was more luck than actual skill. But hats off to Serbs for their effort.

 

[SBD-3]

Who said that ?? The pilot who lost his plane and country who lost her pride.War is no luck but all effort man.India fought its war single handly but USA needs its allies .There is no comparison between US and India .

whats the point?......