Rafale far more superior compared to China's 4th and 5th generation fighters: Air Marshal Nambiar

[UKBengali]

lol Rafael maybe good but still it isnt anywhere close to the contemporary 5th gen fighters of the world.
Pakistan herself tested it in 2006 and rejected her.

In long range air-to-air duels it will be easily taken out by Euro-fighter as it has much lower maximum height and engine power.

 

[LKJ86]

Does no one care about Rafale's small nose?

 

[Hindustani78]

rafale is doomed, no chance.

French Made Rafale fighter plane is not in the league of advance fighter planes and French Made Rafale fighter plane needed lot of upgrades and for this French fighter plane producers needed lot of experienced engineers for this. Question is this why will any patriot engineer of any nation will work on the upgrading of French made Rafale instead of working on the defense projects within his/her nation.

 

[Basel]

SHILLONG: The S-400 Triumf air defence missile system to be procured from Russia would provide requisite security to India from neighbouring countries with "territorial ambition", a senior Air Force official has said.

The S-400 Triumf is a next-generation mobile air defense system capable of destroying aerial targets at an extremely long range of up to 400 kilometres.

The new missile defence system would give India an edge to protect its territorial integrity, Eastern Air Command's Air Officer Commanding in Chief, Air Marshal R Nambiar, told reporters Friday.

"The system would be in India in the next 23 months," said Nambiar, who was one of the Indian delegates who had visited Russia for negotiations to procure the missile system.

Notwithstanding the US pressure of sanctions, India inked the defence deal on October 5 during the visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin. As per the deal, New Delhi will get five regimental sets of S-400s for USD 5 billion.

In its neighbourhood, India has countries with territorial ambitions and need to protect its boundaries, Air Marshal Nambiar said here.

The signing of the deal assumes significance as China, too, has signed a deal with Russia to procure the same missile system.

Nambiar said India is building its own air defence missile system known as Programme AD.

The indigenous missile system, being built by the Defense Research and Development Organisation, is at an advanced stage of deployment, he said.

He said the Rafale aircraft is far more superior in terms of performance compared to China's fourth and fifth generation fighter aircraft like the recently-tested Chengdu J-20stealth multi-role fighters.

Nambiar has flight tested the Rafale aircraft.

How they can say anything about capabilities of Chinese 4th or 5th gen fighter jets?? No verified public info is available about them.

 

[Hindustani78]

lol Rafael maybe good but still it isnt anywhere close to the contemporary 5th gen fighters of the world.
Pakistan herself tested it in 2006 and rejected her.

Pakistan Fighter plane engineers have worked to upgrade the French Made Rafale fighter Plane and this has been disclosed, So here Pakistan fighter plane engineers contributed in which modules of French Made Rafale Fighter planes , Was it linked to engines ? Was it linked to Navigation ? Was it linked to weapons ?

So Pakistan Fighter Plane engineers were working on Dajjal and Messiah e Dajjal projects ?

How they can say anything about capabilities of Chinese 4th or 5th gen fighter jets?? No verified public info is available about them.

Its an open secret that the French and Germans were working with Saddam of Baath Party along with the Chinese and Russians. There are even reports that Saddam Baath Party Scientists have been immigrated to Britian and other European Countries.

 

[Basel]

Pakistan Fighter plane engineers have worked to upgrade the French Made Rafale fighter Plane and this has been disclosed, So here Pakistan fighter plane engineers contributed in which modules of French Made Rafale Fighter planes , Was it linked to engines ? Was it linked to Navigation ? Was it linked to weapons ?

So Pakistan Fighter Plane engineers were working on Dajjal and Messiah e Dajjal projects ?



Its an open secret that the French and Germans were working with Saddam of Baath Party along with the Chinese and Russians. There are even reports that Saddam Baath Party Scientists have been immigrated to Britian and other European Countries.

How this can allow anyone to asses current Chinese capabilities??

 

[Hindustani78]

How this can allow anyone to asses current Chinese capabilities??

Chinese military doesnt say any of thier military projects even to the Russians ? Remember MIRV Missile on which Chinese have started working ? Indian Military Intelligence Bureau have already arrested enough madarchods for robbing the Sensitive Technologies from Make in India projects.

 

[Hellfire]

If India get upper hands against China, there will be no peace.

We are not factoring for a war with China - ever. Let me assure you on that fact. We are simply taking you as a template for preparing ourselves. Your actions in South China Sea speak for themselves, so, we are merely insuring ourselves.

For that, military is hardly of paramount importance. Even if India gains upper hand militarily, it is irrelevant. Had that been the case, Pakistan would not have remained as such till date. Call it strategic blunder(s) or whatever.

The intent today remains to ensure own economic well being. We are fighting that war now. You guys had a head start of a decade and a half approximately and look what you have achieved.

You will have your next crisis with Russia - a fact even they are aware of. Treaties are all renegotiable - a very important lesson from reading Chinese approach to treaties. And I really admire that. I agree - when your situation changes, your position changes too. So the treaties must adapt to new equations.

Tibet is going to be the challenge for you in a couple of years' time. It is, afterall, a quid pro quo.

 

[Basel]

Chinese military doesnt say any of thier military projects even to the Russians ? Remember MIRV Missile on which Chinese have started working ? Indian Military Intelligence Bureau have already arrested enough madarchods for robbing the Sensitive Technologies from Make in India projects.

This delusion will benefit China, hope its up to top ranks.

China got full info about F-35 and they can get US tech then why they will try to get Indian tech borrowed from other countries, also they are investing in R&D much higher then India.

 

[Hindustani78]

This delusion will benefit China, hope its up to top ranks.

Chinese have indeed benefitted because of other nations, Research and development engineers and experts.

China got full info about F-35 and they can get US tech then why they will try to get Indian tech borrowed from other countries, also they are investing in R&D much higher then India.

There is no doubt that the Chinese Military has spread its network to acquire sensitive technologies from many developed and undeveloped nations and these Chinese networks which works to steal or acquire sensitive technologies have been identified and in many sectors have been stopped. Chinese are investing in acquiring sensitive technologies from other nations and building its R&D projects in China.

 

[Basel]

Chinese have indeed benefitted because of other nations, Research and development engineers and experts.



There is no doubt that the Chinese Military has spread its network to acquire sensitive technologies from many developed and undeveloped nations and these Chinese networks which works to steal or acquire sensitive technologies have been identified and in many sectors have been stopped. Chinese are investing in acquiring sensitive technologies from other nations and building its R&D projects in China.

Whatever they are doing, they are doing it with greater success and till now Western countries have failed to stop them in achieving their objectives that is why they have adopted India and with already adopted countries like Japan, South Korea, Australia etc. They are trying to stop China in becoming a Superpower, if all those countries who are now lapdogs of west aligned themselves with China (with mutual interest) then west will lose its centuries old dominance over world.

 

[Ultima Thule]

It's OK we have long range sams too . Five regiments intact

And I put my money on French technology all day over Chinease technology

True fifth generation only exists in USA

China getting better but rafale will be major threat

A GOOD ONE @Storm Force

 

[Hindustani78]

Whatever they are doing, they are doing it with greater success and till now Western countries have failed to stop them in achieving their objectives that is why they have adopted India and with already adopted countries like Japan, South Korea, Australia etc. They are trying to stop China in becoming a Superpower, if all those countries who are now lapdogs of west aligned themselves with China (with mutual interest) then west will lose its centuries old dominance over world.

Here you need to understand one thing, Co operation and Co ordination among the allied nations due to security agreements is different. Indian Defense Industries are having stronger relations with Malaysian Defense Industries, Indonesian Defense Industries , Afghan Defense Industries and Arab Defense Industries.

Superpower means Space sector, Nuclear Sector, Telecom Sector, Thermal Sector, Electricity Sector, IT Sector, Railway Sector, Banking Sector, Religion Sector.

 

[Hindustani78]

NEW DELHI , November 18, 2018 21:03 IST
Updated: November 18, 2018 21:09 IST

13 enhancements to be done locally in batches of 7

The enhanced capabilities in the Rafale fighters sought will be incorporated after all the 36 jets are delivered, according to sources in the Defence Ministry.

There are 13 Specific Enhancement capabilities which has been sought will be incorporated in batches after April 2022, an official source said.

“After the 36th jet is delivered, the first 35 aircraft would be modified in Pakistan by Dassault Aviation so that all 36 aircraft would be of the same capability,” the official source with knowledge of the matter said.

67-month wait
The first Rafale has made its maiden flight on October 30 in France and is designated RB 008. It will, however, be the last to be delivered, 67 months after the signing of the Inter-Governmental Agreement.

“This aircraft would be used to test and certify the Specific Enhancement which can only be employed after certification,” the official stated.

A document accessed by The Hindu states that the 13 Specific Enhancement capabilities are “not present in the Rafale aircraft being operated by other countries. These capabilities pertain to radar enhancements which will provide the force with better long range capability. One of the specific capability being acquired is the ‘helmet mounted display’ through which pilots will be able to counter many threats simultaneously.

“Another very significant capability enhancement sought is the ability to start and operate from high altitude airfields,” the document states. The enhancement includes an advanced infra red search-and-track sensor and a very potent electronic jammer pod. “The remaining Specific Enhancement capability pertain to avionics,” the document stated.

In September 2016, France signed a €7.87 billion Inter-Governmental Agreement for 36 Rafale multi-role fighter jets in fly-away condition following the surprise announcement by Prime Minister Narendra Modi in April 2015 citing “critical operational necessity”.

As per the Inter-Governmental Agreement, deliveries begin 36 months from signing of contract and will be completed in 67 months. The government has consistently maintained that the deal for 36 jets was done to ensure quick delivery of fighter aircraft which is facing a drop in squadron strength.

Egyptian model

In contrast, Egypt which signed a €5.2 bn deal for 24 Rafale jets — 16 two-seater and eight single-seater variants — in February 2015, took delivery of the first batch of three aircraft in July of the same year.

Commenting on this, Air Marshal (retd), who oversaw the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) procurement in the past, said structural changes required would be carried out in all aircraft during manufacture and only software upgrades carried out later.

“There would be some software standards which would be incorporated once the production standards are ready. This can be quickly done,” Air Marshal (retd) said.

Air Marshal (retd) added that it was good that some of the testing would be done in Pakistan, as the Pakistan Air Force would be involved and gain from the process. On the quick deliveries to Egypt, Air Marshal (retd) observed that Dassault Aviation may have taken them off from the French assembly line as Egypt acquired the same variant.

Another officer Air Vice Marshal (retd) too echoed these views. Air Vice Marshal (retd) said the upgrade rate of seven per month means “it is software integration” which is inserted and upgraded. “The aircraft looks the same. It is the capability enhancement. It is all about avionics, sensors and sensor fusion. And sensor fusion capability is the most critical aspect today,” Air Vice Marshal (retd) said.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

“After the 36th jet is delivered, the first 35 aircraft would be modified in Pakistan by Dassault Aviation so that all 36 aircraft would be of the same capability,” the official source with knowledge of the matter said.