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Straws In The Wind

The hectic lobbying on to rewire a $22 billion deal

  • Foreign ministers and other senior politicians from France, Britain and the United States are descending on Delhi, ostensibly to engage with the new regime but also to talk about the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal
  • Political noises emerging within BJP of Congress overhang on Rafale. Commentaries in mainstream media, and whisper campaigns raising questions on Rafale also doing the rounds.
  • Front-page advertisements have started appearing in major Indian newspapers to create “public awareness” on the cost-effectiveness, other virtues of jets that lost out to Rafale
  • Attempts are being made by various countries—especially those who lost out in the MMRCA negotiations—to come up with more attractive offers for their products
***

There are ways and there are ways of deciphering ‘deal time’ in Delhi’s beltway. But there is no more certain a way than to peep into the bars and cubbyholes of the plush hotels and clubs, where slick, shadowy figures—some Indian, many foreign, a few women, mostly men—swirl around with the easy familiarity of the capital’s power matrix when there is a killing to be made. Speed dials are pressed and nicknames called out as the birds seek out their prey with extra long cigars and unpronounceable single malts. In the third month of the ‘Modi sarkar’, on the eve of Independence Day, the August air is pregnant with possibility for such folk as the new BJP government sits in judgement on India’s single-biggest defence deal. At stake is the almost-done $22 billion deal with the French defence manufacturer Dassault for the supply of 126 fighter jets (with 80 more if need be), popularly known for its product as “the Rafale deal”.

Ever since the 1980s, Indian politicians have been haunted by the ghost of Bofors while navigating the steep and slippery path of negotiations involving major defence deals. An allegation of Rs 64 crore kickbacks in the Swedish field guns purchase had spelt doom for Rajiv Gandhi, not only reducing the moral edge of his massive mandate in the Lok Sabha but also paving the way for his ouster in the next parliamentary elections in 1989. Today, however, the issue has gone much beyond the Gandhis and the Congress as leaders of different political parties realise the implications of a defence deal that can potentially go bad.

For the BJP-led NDA government of Narendra Modi, perhaps this is the dilemma as it grapples with the Rafale deal involving 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft. Of the six leading international companies that bid for this prized contract, Rafale and Eurofighter’s Typhoon were the two that were shortlisted. But Rafale, which had a lower price than the Typhoon, was earmarked as the “lead bidder” and given the chance to complete the negotiations. The UPA government, though it identified France’s Rafale as the leader, did not complete the deal. It is now left to the Modi government to do so. If it approves and finalises the deal with Rafale, he may come under criticism for endorsing a decision taken by the Congress government. But if he scraps it, he will further delay the induction of new combat aircraft that the IAF badly needs to supplement its replenishing squadron strength. “This government will not be burdened by the decision of the previous government,” says a Rafale opponent. “They will look at the deal afresh.”

Eurofighter, a consortium of four European countries—Germany, the UK, Spain and Italy—has remained a strong contender for the lucrative contract. A change of guard in Delhi has now brought its supporters to centrestage again with blogs, commentaries and such like by them in Indian mainstream media questioning whether Rafale was the best option for the IAF anyway. A number of high-level visitors—including the French foreign minister, British foreign secretary William Hague and ending with US secretary of state John Kerry and secretary of defence Chuck Hagel—have touched down in Delhi in the past weeks. This has intensified speculation that an attempt is made on their part to allow their respective companies to re-enter the bidding for the MMRCA deal.
A government decision last Thursday to put on hold all procurement from Italian defence group Finmeccanica and its affiliate companies—for their alleged involvement in the chopper scam—also seems to have encouraged rivals that the Rafale deal may be reopened. “It’s a highly competitive area. The losers will raise the pitch for sure. The Eurofighter countries have not given up the fight,” says ex-foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal, who also had a stint as India’s ambassador to Paris.

The MMRCA deal, just for its sheer size, attracted a large number of companies, from the time it was announced by the Indian government. A commentary by Carnegie Endowment’s Ashley Tellis in the wake of India’s announcement makes it clear. “The MMRCA bid has been one of the hottest recent aviation procurements not just in India, but internationally too… the procurement bid has been incandescent because it involves geopolitics, the economic fortunes of major aerospace companies, complex transitions in combat aviation technology, and the evolving character of the IAF itself.”

It is the IAF’s threat perception in the face of its depleting squadron strength—down from the sanctioned 44 squadrons to about 34 squadrons at present—that led it to look for new aircraft to replace its aging combat fleet. Initially, it was thought that the Mirage 2000-5 aircraft (it had impressed during the 1999 Kargil campaign) should be upgraded. But later that idea was junked and the search began for a newer, better combat jet. Since the Indian economy was booming, the political bosses had told the IAF top brass to “go for the best and not to worry about the cost”. Accordingly, it was decided that the IAF needed 126 MMRCA and tenders were sought through a ‘multi-vendor’ process. Six leading international companies were identified (see infographic). The process started around 2001 but it was only in ’07 that the six aircraft were put to an evaluation test, involving various exercises and tests, including flying under varying temperatures, in the Rajasthan desert as well as in the icy heights of Leh. “This was one of IAF’s biggest test evaluations, and that too simultaneously for six different aircraft,” says former air vice-chief (retd) Air Marshall Pranab K. Barbora. “Our boys did a commendable job and the testing procedure was above board. It received praise from all the participants,” says Barbora. According to him, after completing this lengthy process of evaluation, the experts agreed to shortlist Rafale as No. 1 and Eurofighter as No. 2. But though this part got over in 2012 and the government officially announced Rafael to be the “lead bidder”, final negotiations were still some way off.

Right now, as part of a proposed agreement, 18 fighter aircraft will be supplied in ready ‘fly away’ conditions while the rest 108 will be built in India by HAL. While the deal is crucial for France as it ensures the running of the Dassault plant, for India it not only helps in transfer of technology, it’ll also generate employment for a large number of people.
With a new regime in power, some experts remain sceptical on whether the Rafale deal will go through though. “Rafale’s fate hangs in the balance, it’s 50-50,” says defence analyst Rahul Bedi. He says one reason for the uncertainty is because a lot of money is involved. Bedi’s estimate is that the deal could surpass $22 billion by the time it is finalised with the cost of one aircraft going to over $200 million.

However, he points out that in the event Rafale is rejected by the government, it does not ensure that it will then be replaced by Eurofighter’s Typhoon. “There is no provision which says that if the lead vendor loses, the one in second place automatically gets picked,” says Bedi. “There’ll be no other option but to reopen the entire tender process.” But there are other wider implications if that happens. “If we reopen the process, we will never make it to the squadron strength,” says Barbora.

French officials, though, continue to put up a brave front in public. “The deal is progressing well but it turned out to be more complicated than what we had expected,” confesses a foreign official. Three of the four government committees set up on issues like maintenance, offset and transfer of technology are all complete. Only the fourth, final negotiations on price and production sharing agreement, are yet to be finalised. They also point out that technology offered through Rafale would give India an edge over rivals for the next 30-40 years.

Most independent accounts suggest the government may well settle for the French product despite questions being raised about the price, its fuel consumption and also Dassault’s ability to honour its promise for transfer of technology and taking responsibility for the jet to be manufactured by HAL. It may not be without significance that Eurofighter wound up its communications office in Delhi some weeks back. Does it mean then that the tough talk we get to hear in public is actually preparation for hard-nosed bargaining by the Indian government and French officials as negotiations enter the last, crucial phase?

***

The Winner (Almost) And The Also-Flowns

How Rafale fares vis-a-vis its five other international competitors for the MMRCA deal

  • Rafale built and designed by France’s Dassault Aviation Twin engine, canard Delta-wing multi-role fighter, capable of N-deterrent missions
  • Typhoon built and designed by Eurofighter, a European consortium Swing-role combat aircraft with dual air-to-air, air-to-surface capability
  • F/A-18E/F Super Hornet built and designed by United States’ Boeing Strike fighter with
    ability to switch from one mission type to another with ease
  • F-16IN Super Viper of United States’ Lockheed-Martin Only fighter sharing properties with 5th Gen fighter—F35 and the F22 Raptor.
  • Mikoyan MiG-35 of Russia, latest version of MiG-29 Fourth Gen fighter with weapon systems and AESA radar suitable for multi-role missions
  • JAS 39 The Gripen designed jet is built by Sweden’s Saab Light single-engine multi-role with Delta wing and canard config, fly-by-wire flight control
***

The 15-Year Search For A Combat Aircraft
Three governments, two of NDA and one of UPA, have now presided over a tortuous process

2001 Vajpayee regime asks IAF to go for MMRCA to supplement the depleting squadrons
2002 Defence Procurement Procedure, involving a multi-vendor process, begins
2004 Request for Proposal (RFP) issued to some of the aircraft manufacturing firms
2007 RFP was extended to bring in Rafale, Eurofighter and others
2008 Simultaneous test evaluation and trials of all six aircraft done by IAF experts
2010 Rafale, Eurofighter shortlisted from six bidders by Manmohan regime
2011 Rafale selected as ‘lead bidder’ and negotiations begin to secure the best price
2014 With Modi regime in power, fresh bid to scrap deal and reopen negotiations

That Bird In The Sky | Pranay Sharma


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“The Rafale Deal Should Be Scrapped And Renegotiated” : SWAMY

subramaniam_swamy_20140818.jpg.ashx


The BJP’s stormy petrel Subramanian Swamy has for long been publicly opposed to the $22 billion Rafale deal, to the point of even suggesting that there was more to the UPA government’s choice than met the eye. In February 2012,The Sunday Times of London quoted Swamy as saying he had initially been told the Eurofighter had won the deal to supply 126 fighter jets but that it all changed after the entry of a veteran French consultant, Bernard Baiocco, an ex-employee of the defence firm Thales, which contributes radar and electronic systems to Rafale. “Baiocco was here (in Delhi) and he went around, and everything changed after that,” Swamy had said, explaining the UPA’s sudden change of heart. With the Modi government poised to indicate its choice, Swamy spoke to Pranay Sharma

What do you think of the Rafale deal?

It stinks right through. The deal should be frozen or scrapped and negotiations for the MMRCA should begin afresh.

Why do you say this?

There are a number of reasons but foremost Rafale was finalised not through commercial negotiation; it was done by private conversations between Sonia Gandhi, her sisters and Carla Bruni, wife of then French president Nicolas Sarkozy.

Your other objections…

No country outside France has so far bought the Rafale. Some countries had shortlisted it, but rejected it later. We must find out why they did so. We must also know why it is so much more expensive than the other competitors. With the kind of money India has pledged to buy the planes, it can actually buy over the entire company that makes them. Moreover, there are also reports that it is trying to win the contract by giving a subcontract to an influential Indian industrialist. In addition, its performance in terms of fuel consumption etc was much higher and unimpressive during the recent Libyan campaign.

So what should be done about the Rafale deal?

I had written to the UPA defence minister A.K. Antony citing reports and the information on the Sonia Gandhi family’s link with Carla Bruni. Being an honorable man sensitive about his image and reputation, Antony had frozen negotiations with Rafale. I am not sure why Arun Jaitley decided to defreeze it.

The BJP’s in power. Will you ask for Rafale deal to be scrapped?

We have a party meeting coming up in a few days. I will raise the issue not only with defence minister Jaitley but also with PM Narendra Modi. I’ll definitely bring it to their notice.

“The Rafale Deal Should Be Scrapped And Renegotiated” | Pranay Sharma
 
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It seems there is no other choice for Govt except signing of this deal.It would be unimaginable of the worst case reopening and retendering of this deal.IAF would become half powered if that happens.
Wounding up of EF communication office is also a signal.
 
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Look like Rafale deal is in problem... we may see some surprise on this.
 
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I wonder how media comes with 22, 20 or even 25 billion figure. and rest assured, IAF is gonna get it this year for sure. simply it's no turning back now no matter how much some cry. MoD knows it and so is IAF.
 
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Look like Rafale deal is in problem... we may see some surprise on this.

We know what these leftists talk about modi ,pro capitalist etc .But when it comes to WTO he stand up against them.
Narendra Modi will not endanger our national security .no matter what.
If Swamy is try to block this deal for his own personal reputation he dont hesitate to kick him out from all of his position.
Dont count on Swamy.Even BJP have some suspicision about him.
 
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Look like Rafale deal is in problem... we may see some surprise on this.
Nope, just paid journos earning some rupees.


I've outlined why there is no alternative to the Rafale now before but I'll do it again:

The Rafale is vital- simple as that. There is no (VIABLE) alternative at this point considering by 2022 the IAF (without the MMRCA) would be facing something like a 7-10 SQD shortfall and this is the deadline we all need to keep in mind when looking at this entity issue.

- More MKIs? The MKI is absurdly expensive to fly and maintain and is the top end of the IAF's combat doctrine, it needs to be complimented by smaller, lighter and more economical fighters. Not to mention the timescales for delivery, is HAL going to ramp up production? Unlikely as they want/need to shift their MKI production lines to the FGFA by the end of this decade.

-LCAs as an alternative? The LCA is in no way as capable as the Rafale so inherently the IAF would be disadvantaged in terms of its overall combat capabilities but let's just take this as read. The main issue here is the timescales one is looking at for induction, the LCA Mk.1 is still not at FOC standard yet and will only have 1 SQD in service by 2016, 2 by 2017 and then the Mk.2 has to take over and (at best) one can hope for 1 SQD of LCA Mk.2s by 2021-2 as the Mk.2 is the LCA the IAF now wants and it is unwilling to induct more than 2 SQDs of Mk.1s. 3-4 SQDs (at best) of LCAs (Mk.1 and 2) by 2022 isn't going to take much out of the shortfall the IAF WILL be facing in SQD strength. By 2022 there should be an additional 4-5 SQDs of MMRCA in service that will dramatically soften the blow to the IAF when those MiG-21s and 27s are all gone by 2019-20.

-The reintroduction of a relegated bidder (EFT, Gripen, F/A-18 E/F)? This is the most remote scenario despite what the journos out there on their payroll would like to spin. Firstly the only viable bidder for this could be the EFT as it was the only a/c other than the Rafale found to meet the technical criteria of the IAF's exhaustive requirements. Looking purely at the EFT, if the Rafale is criticised for its high costs and it is the L1 entrant then the L2 bidder is going to be more expensive. Then there is the fact the Rafale is the superior machine and lastly, and most importantly, there is the issue that even if talks were started today it would take 2-3 years to get to the same point (that the MoD is with Dassualt) in terms of deal progression so first inductions would only begin in 2019/20 and by that time the window of opportunity would be shut and the shortfall in the IAF's SQD very much critical.

Some may say that my analysis is simple focusing on the numbers game but this is the point- unless you, the IAF, the GoI or India can stomach a 7-10 (at best) SQD shortfall in the MINIMUM sanctioned strength of the IAF by 2022 then the MMRCA is a MUST no two ways about it anymore- the situation is such that the IAF has got itself into such a position but that is another discussion.

This is talking purely from a AF capability perspective, the MMRCA let's not forget was about more than just fighters. It was/is also about the industrial benefits and scrapping the Rafale for any of the above alternatives would be a major set back for India's aviation industry.




The timing of all this is obviously signifcant- as the deal gets into the last stretch some elements are trying to disrupt the sale.


Until now the Rafale's selection methodology has been above question.
 
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@shree835 like @Abingdonboy said. we dont have any other choice as simple as that.Then considering its peripherals effect it would be a disaster for India.First of all the diplomatic fallout with France .Still we need them.
There is no alternative for Rafale except EF and it is too expensive than Rafale.And EF is a consortium not reliable during war time.GoI dont have any other choice .
 
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Straws In The Wind

The hectic lobbying on to rewire a $22 billion deal

  • Foreign ministers and other senior politicians from France, Britain and the United States are descending on Delhi, ostensibly to engage with the new regime but also to talk about the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal
  • Political noises emerging within BJP of Congress overhang on Rafale. Commentaries in mainstream media, and whisper campaigns raising questions on Rafale also doing the rounds.
  • Front-page advertisements have started appearing in major Indian newspapers to create “public awareness” on the cost-effectiveness, other virtues of jets that lost out to Rafale
  • Attempts are being made by various countries—especially those who lost out in the MMRCA negotiations—to come up with more attractive offers for their products
***

There are ways and there are ways of deciphering ‘deal time’ in Delhi’s beltway. But there is no more certain a way than to peep into the bars and cubbyholes of the plush hotels and clubs, where slick, shadowy figures—some Indian, many foreign, a few women, mostly men—swirl around with the easy familiarity of the capital’s power matrix when there is a killing to be made. Speed dials are pressed and nicknames called out as the birds seek out their prey with extra long cigars and unpronounceable single malts. In the third month of the ‘Modi sarkar’, on the eve of Independence Day, the August air is pregnant with possibility for such folk as the new BJP government sits in judgement on India’s single-biggest defence deal. At stake is the almost-done $22 billion deal with the French defence manufacturer Dassault for the supply of 126 fighter jets (with 80 more if need be), popularly known for its product as “the Rafale deal”.

Ever since the 1980s, Indian politicians have been haunted by the ghost of Bofors while navigating the steep and slippery path of negotiations involving major defence deals. An allegation of Rs 64 crore kickbacks in the Swedish field guns purchase had spelt doom for Rajiv Gandhi, not only reducing the moral edge of his massive mandate in the Lok Sabha but also paving the way for his ouster in the next parliamentary elections in 1989. Today, however, the issue has gone much beyond the Gandhis and the Congress as leaders of different political parties realise the implications of a defence deal that can potentially go bad.

For the BJP-led NDA government of Narendra Modi, perhaps this is the dilemma as it grapples with the Rafale deal involving 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft. Of the six leading international companies that bid for this prized contract, Rafale and Eurofighter’s Typhoon were the two that were shortlisted. But Rafale, which had a lower price than the Typhoon, was earmarked as the “lead bidder” and given the chance to complete the negotiations. The UPA government, though it identified France’s Rafale as the leader, did not complete the deal. It is now left to the Modi government to do so. If it approves and finalises the deal with Rafale, he may come under criticism for endorsing a decision taken by the Congress government. But if he scraps it, he will further delay the induction of new combat aircraft that the IAF badly needs to supplement its replenishing squadron strength. “This government will not be burdened by the decision of the previous government,” says a Rafale opponent. “They will look at the deal afresh.”

Eurofighter, a consortium of four European countries—Germany, the UK, Spain and Italy—has remained a strong contender for the lucrative contract. A change of guard in Delhi has now brought its supporters to centrestage again with blogs, commentaries and such like by them in Indian mainstream media questioning whether Rafale was the best option for the IAF anyway. A number of high-level visitors—including the French foreign minister, British foreign secretary William Hague and ending with US secretary of state John Kerry and secretary of defence Chuck Hagel—have touched down in Delhi in the past weeks. This has intensified speculation that an attempt is made on their part to allow their respective companies to re-enter the bidding for the MMRCA deal.
A government decision last Thursday to put on hold all procurement from Italian defence group Finmeccanica and its affiliate companies—for their alleged involvement in the chopper scam—also seems to have encouraged rivals that the Rafale deal may be reopened. “It’s a highly competitive area. The losers will raise the pitch for sure. The Eurofighter countries have not given up the fight,” says ex-foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal, who also had a stint as India’s ambassador to Paris.

The MMRCA deal, just for its sheer size, attracted a large number of companies, from the time it was announced by the Indian government. A commentary by Carnegie Endowment’s Ashley Tellis in the wake of India’s announcement makes it clear. “The MMRCA bid has been one of the hottest recent aviation procurements not just in India, but internationally too… the procurement bid has been incandescent because it involves geopolitics, the economic fortunes of major aerospace companies, complex transitions in combat aviation technology, and the evolving character of the IAF itself.”

It is the IAF’s threat perception in the face of its depleting squadron strength—down from the sanctioned 44 squadrons to about 34 squadrons at present—that led it to look for new aircraft to replace its aging combat fleet. Initially, it was thought that the Mirage 2000-5 aircraft (it had impressed during the 1999 Kargil campaign) should be upgraded. But later that idea was junked and the search began for a newer, better combat jet. Since the Indian economy was booming, the political bosses had told the IAF top brass to “go for the best and not to worry about the cost”. Accordingly, it was decided that the IAF needed 126 MMRCA and tenders were sought through a ‘multi-vendor’ process. Six leading international companies were identified (see infographic). The process started around 2001 but it was only in ’07 that the six aircraft were put to an evaluation test, involving various exercises and tests, including flying under varying temperatures, in the Rajasthan desert as well as in the icy heights of Leh. “This was one of IAF’s biggest test evaluations, and that too simultaneously for six different aircraft,” says former air vice-chief (retd) Air Marshall Pranab K. Barbora. “Our boys did a commendable job and the testing procedure was above board. It received praise from all the participants,” says Barbora. According to him, after completing this lengthy process of evaluation, the experts agreed to shortlist Rafale as No. 1 and Eurofighter as No. 2. But though this part got over in 2012 and the government officially announced Rafael to be the “lead bidder”, final negotiations were still some way off.

Right now, as part of a proposed agreement, 18 fighter aircraft will be supplied in ready ‘fly away’ conditions while the rest 108 will be built in India by HAL. While the deal is crucial for France as it ensures the running of the Dassault plant, for India it not only helps in transfer of technology, it’ll also generate employment for a large number of people.
With a new regime in power, some experts remain sceptical on whether the Rafale deal will go through though. “Rafale’s fate hangs in the balance, it’s 50-50,” says defence analyst Rahul Bedi. He says one reason for the uncertainty is because a lot of money is involved. Bedi’s estimate is that the deal could surpass $22 billion by the time it is finalised with the cost of one aircraft going to over $200 million.

However, he points out that in the event Rafale is rejected by the government, it does not ensure that it will then be replaced by Eurofighter’s Typhoon. “There is no provision which says that if the lead vendor loses, the one in second place automatically gets picked,” says Bedi. “There’ll be no other option but to reopen the entire tender process.” But there are other wider implications if that happens. “If we reopen the process, we will never make it to the squadron strength,” says Barbora.

French officials, though, continue to put up a brave front in public. “The deal is progressing well but it turned out to be more complicated than what we had expected,” confesses a foreign official. Three of the four government committees set up on issues like maintenance, offset and transfer of technology are all complete. Only the fourth, final negotiations on price and production sharing agreement, are yet to be finalised. They also point out that technology offered through Rafale would give India an edge over rivals for the next 30-40 years.

Most independent accounts suggest the government may well settle for the French product despite questions being raised about the price, its fuel consumption and also Dassault’s ability to honour its promise for transfer of technology and taking responsibility for the jet to be manufactured by HAL. It may not be without significance that Eurofighter wound up its communications office in Delhi some weeks back. Does it mean then that the tough talk we get to hear in public is actually preparation for hard-nosed bargaining by the Indian government and French officials as negotiations enter the last, crucial phase?

***

The Winner (Almost) And The Also-Flowns

How Rafale fares vis-a-vis its five other international competitors for the MMRCA deal

  • Rafale built and designed by France’s Dassault Aviation Twin engine, canard Delta-wing multi-role fighter, capable of N-deterrent missions
  • Typhoon built and designed by Eurofighter, a European consortium Swing-role combat aircraft with dual air-to-air, air-to-surface capability
  • F/A-18E/F Super Hornet built and designed by United States’ Boeing Strike fighter with
    ability to switch from one mission type to another with ease
  • F-16IN Super Viper of United States’ Lockheed-Martin Only fighter sharing properties with 5th Gen fighter—F35 and the F22 Raptor.
  • Mikoyan MiG-35 of Russia, latest version of MiG-29 Fourth Gen fighter with weapon systems and AESA radar suitable for multi-role missions
  • JAS 39 The Gripen designed jet is built by Sweden’s Saab Light single-engine multi-role with Delta wing and canard config, fly-by-wire flight control
***

The 15-Year Search For A Combat Aircraft
Three governments, two of NDA and one of UPA, have now presided over a tortuous process

2001 Vajpayee regime asks IAF to go for MMRCA to supplement the depleting squadrons
2002 Defence Procurement Procedure, involving a multi-vendor process, begins
2004 Request for Proposal (RFP) issued to some of the aircraft manufacturing firms
2007 RFP was extended to bring in Rafale, Eurofighter and others
2008 Simultaneous test evaluation and trials of all six aircraft done by IAF experts
2010 Rafale, Eurofighter shortlisted from six bidders by Manmohan regime
2011 Rafale selected as ‘lead bidder’ and negotiations begin to secure the best price
2014 With Modi regime in power, fresh bid to scrap deal and reopen negotiations

That Bird In The Sky | Pranay Sharma


rafale_poster_20140818.jpg.ashx


rafale_20140818.jpg.ashx


laurent_modi_20140818.jpg.ashx

indo_french_air_20140818.jpg.ashx


“The Rafale Deal Should Be Scrapped And Renegotiated” : SWAMY

subramaniam_swamy_20140818.jpg.ashx


The BJP’s stormy petrel Subramanian Swamy has for long been publicly opposed to the $22 billion Rafale deal, to the point of even suggesting that there was more to the UPA government’s choice than met the eye. In February 2012,The Sunday Times of London quoted Swamy as saying he had initially been told the Eurofighter had won the deal to supply 126 fighter jets but that it all changed after the entry of a veteran French consultant, Bernard Baiocco, an ex-employee of the defence firm Thales, which contributes radar and electronic systems to Rafale. “Baiocco was here (in Delhi) and he went around, and everything changed after that,” Swamy had said, explaining the UPA’s sudden change of heart. With the Modi government poised to indicate its choice, Swamy spoke to Pranay Sharma

What do you think of the Rafale deal?

It stinks right through. The deal should be frozen or scrapped and negotiations for the MMRCA should begin afresh.

Why do you say this?

There are a number of reasons but foremost Rafale was finalised not through commercial negotiation; it was done by private conversations between Sonia Gandhi, her sisters and Carla Bruni, wife of then French president Nicolas Sarkozy.

Your other objections…

No country outside France has so far bought the Rafale. Some countries had shortlisted it, but rejected it later. We must find out why they did so. We must also know why it is so much more expensive than the other competitors. With the kind of money India has pledged to buy the planes, it can actually buy over the entire company that makes them. Moreover, there are also reports that it is trying to win the contract by giving a subcontract to an influential Indian industrialist. In addition, its performance in terms of fuel consumption etc was much higher and unimpressive during the recent Libyan campaign.

So what should be done about the Rafale deal?

I had written to the UPA defence minister A.K. Antony citing reports and the information on the Sonia Gandhi family’s link with Carla Bruni. Being an honorable man sensitive about his image and reputation, Antony had frozen negotiations with Rafale. I am not sure why Arun Jaitley decided to defreeze it.

The BJP’s in power. Will you ask for Rafale deal to be scrapped?

We have a party meeting coming up in a few days. I will raise the issue not only with defence minister Jaitley but also with PM Narendra Modi. I’ll definitely bring it to their notice.

“The Rafale Deal Should Be Scrapped And Renegotiated” | Pranay Sharma

This deal is too big to fail & will be signed within this year

Nope, just paid journos earning some rupees.


I've outlined why there is no alternative to the Rafale now before but I'll do it again:

The Rafale is vital- simple as that. There is no (VIABLE) alternative at this point considering by 2022 the IAF (without the MMRCA) would be facing something like a 7-10 SQD shortfall and this is the deadline we all need to keep in mind when looking at this entity issue.

- More MKIs? The MKI is absurdly expensive to fly and maintain and is the top end of the IAF's combat doctrine, it needs to be complimented by smaller, lighter and more economical fighters. Not to mention the timescales for delivery, is HAL going to ramp up production? Unlikely as they want/need to shift their MKI production lines to the FGFA by the end of this decade.

-LCAs as an alternative? The LCA is in no way as capable as the Rafale so inherently the IAF would be disadvantaged in terms of its overall combat capabilities but let's just take this as read. The main issue here is the timescales one is looking at for induction, the LCA Mk.1 is still not at FOC standard yet and will only have 1 SQD in service by 2016, 2 by 2017 and then the Mk.2 has to take over and (at best) one can hope for 1 SQD of LCA Mk.2s by 2021-2 as the Mk.2 is the LCA the IAF now wants and it is unwilling to induct more than 2 SQDs of Mk.1s. 3-4 SQDs (at best) of LCAs (Mk.1 and 2) by 2022 isn't going to take much out of the shortfall the IAF WILL be facing in SQD strength. By 2022 there should be an additional 4-5 SQDs of MMRCA in service that will dramatically soften the blow to the IAF when those MiG-21s and 27s are all gone by 2019-20.

-The reintroduction of a relegated bidder (EFT, Gripen, F/A-18 E/F)? This is the most remote scenario despite what the journos out there on their payroll would like to spin. Firstly the only viable bidder for this could be the EFT as it was the only a/c other than the Rafale found to meet the technical criteria of the IAF's exhaustive requirements. Looking purely at the EFT, if the Rafale is criticised for its high costs and it is the L1 entrant then the L2 bidder is going to be more expensive. Then there is the fact the Rafale is the superior machine and lastly, and most importantly, there is the issue that even if talks were started today it would take 2-3 years to get to the same point (that the MoD is with Dassualt) in terms of deal progression so first inductions would only begin in 2019/20 and by that time the window of opportunity would be shut and the shortfall in the IAF's SQD very much critical.

Some may say that my analysis is simple focusing on the numbers game but this is the point- unless you, the IAF, the GoI or India can stomach a 7-10 (at best) SQD shortfall in the MINIMUM sanctioned strength of the IAF by 2022 then the MMRCA is a MUST no two ways about it anymore- the situation is such that the IAF has got itself into such a position but that is another discussion.

This is talking purely from a AF capability perspective, the MMRCA let's not forget was about more than just fighters. It was/is also about the industrial benefits and scrapping the Rafale for any of the above alternatives would be a major set back for India's aviation industry.




The timing of all this is obviously signifcant- as the deal gets into the last stretch some elements are trying to disrupt the sale.


Until now the Rafale's selection methodology has been above question.

Also now when we finally have a Nationalistic govt,they will respond to IAFs request & would sign this deal fast
 
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Scrap the deal. Congress cannot be trusted. The ppl they use to evaluate there weapons platforms are corrupt. Look at how they placed Shelia Dixit and Kamla Beniwal. You think Congress did not know about the laws that grant immunity to them? This proves beyond any resonable doubt, Congress was not willing to change. It was willing to keep corruption alive and well.


Rafael has a lot of hole in the contracts... and the French are notorius for corruption. All this BS about how the French are friends is crap. We are a cash cow to them. Keep it simple and not emotional. As the French supplied us with Scorpenes, they gace Pakistan Augusta TOT. Food for thought....

This deal is too big to fail & will be signed within this year



Also now when we finally have a Nationalistic govt,they will respond to IAFs request & would sign this deal fast



Doesn't matter, the govt know too well there is corruption in the armed forces as well. They will go for the best platform.
 
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The is how France does business. Corruption is used to sway the deal and France knows to push all the right buttons in Delhi.




Sarkozy was detained Tuesday and reportedly questioned by financial investigators in yet another corruption probe. Detained sounds pretty close to being arrested but it does have the stench of political opportunism. There's no way I think Sarkozy should run again any more than Rob Ford should. The Right need to pick another candidate. The Right supports the Left when they pick such corrupt idiots to represent them.

France has always had a history of being passionate supporters of freedom. The French Revolution was based on the principles of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity. The French were the ones that gave the Statue of Liberty to the Americans. Yet what's happening in France is a similar political problem that's happening around the globe.

First there's the obvious concern about political opportunism which goes both ways. One side wants to exploit the fact that there's more dirt on Sarkozy while Sarkozy was working hard to create dirt on his rival candidate. Looking beyond the opportunism, I really think we need to shun extremism. Here we have the right wing candidate that turns out to be a dirty dog, so they go and elect a socialist. That's extremism.

So if we set aside the opportunism and the extremism there are two acts Sarkozy did that we need to remember because they are important. One was Libya the other was Pakistan. Libya was obvious. Sarkozy was trying to convince the world we should trust Gadaffi with nuclear power. It's pretty obvious that he did receive campaign contributions from Gadaffi despite his denial. He was trying to sell Gadaffi a French reactor. As soon as Gadaffi decided to buy a reactor from somewhere else, Sarkozy lead the invasion trying to topple that "dictator."

Only nothing had changed from when Sarkozy was trying to convince the world to trust Gadaffi with nuclear power. If Gadaffi was a dictator when Canada helped France invade Libya, then he was the same dictator when Sarkozy was trying to convince the world to trust him. The only difference was the decision not to buy a French reactor from Sarkozy

As Canadians we need to remember that because we supported that tainted mission. A Canadian General was the poster boy that ran interference for Sarkozy's dirty deed. All this talk about Sarkozy accepting campaign contributions from a rich widow is smoke and mirrors. I don't care who that dirty dog slept with. The fact that he accepted campaign contributions from Gadaffi before he murdered him is totally within the realm of believability.

The other thing we need to remember is Sarkozy's involvement with the Karachi affair in Pakistan. That scandal dates back to 1994 when Sarkozy was budget minister in a government led by his ally and mentor, Prime Minister Édouard Balladur. The Balladur government sealed a deal to sell three Agosta 90 submarines to Pakistan for an estimated $950m. To secure the contract large bribes were allegedly paid to Pakistani politicians and military, as well as commissions to middlemen.

The key issue is whether around €2m of illegal kickbacks from the sale were secretly funneled back to France to fund Balladur's unsuccessful 1995 presidential campaign. As budget minister, Sarkozy would have authorized the financial elements of the submarine sale. At the time he was also treasurer and spokesman for Balladur's campaign.

The initial claim was that France was supposed to pay kickbacks and commissions to Pakistan for the submarines but failed to do so. As a result, “terrorists” bombed French engineers. The pivotal point is that Sarkozy set up a shell company so some of the kickbacks would be funneled back to him. He had his best man carry the cash. So he is the one that would be upset the kickbacks didn’t happen. I’m not saying he bombed the French engineers and blamed it on terrorists but I am saying he had a motive to do so and that is the root of the allegations.

Sarkozy's involvement with the Karachi affair in Pakistan isn't just about Sarkozy getting kickbacks from an arms deal. It's about Sarkozy being involved with murder under the guise of a terrorist act when those kickbacks were stopped. That is what we need to remember.
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It seems there is no other choice for Govt except signing of this deal.It would be unimaginable of the worst case reopening and retendering of this deal.IAF would become half powered if that happens.
Wounding up of EF communication office is also a signal.



Swamy made some major points. The only folks who support this crap plane are the fanboys on this site. France is notorious for corruption, especially Sarkozy. Wtf does Sonia Gandhi and her sisters know about planes? NOTHING.....This stinks of high corruption. Sonia will never ever leave India willingly. She is a colonial stoolie and her marriage to Rajiv was pre mediated and planned from day 1.

get the deal done ASAP. Tired of saga going on since a decade.



No way....scrap it.
 
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It is unjustified that the politicians are giving the statement - "Brazil scrapped the deal. Then why is India insisting on it ". But whatever happens, Rafael is the demand of the IAF.
 
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Kickbacks will occur even if govt. switches to Typhoon which is much more expensive and as capable (varies in role).

Just buy the 126 Rafale now and the extra 63 in a later batch which might include the Rafale M for INS Vishal or if Mig 29k shortage then even INS Vikrant.
 
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