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Rafale Deal on Track, PM Modi to Take Final Call

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New Delhi: French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drain and his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar appear to have sorted out one of the key issues holding up the estimated $15 billion deal to buy 126 Rafale fighter jets for the Indian Air Force. A final decision is expected to be taken before Prime Minister Narendra Modi before his visit to France in April.

The deal, billed by some as one of biggest defence procurement by any country in a long time, has been on hold for almost a year over the issue of producing the planes here.

Of the 126 jets, 18 are to be purchased ready-made from France. The rest are to be manufactured by the Bengaluru-based Defence Public Sector Unit Hindustan Aeronautics Limited as part of the government's initiative for defence manufacturing in India.

The French defence manufacturing giant Dassault was hesitant to guarantee the quality of the jets produced in India, since it does not control the process. More importantly, Dassault estimates that the jets can be produced faster, with fewer man hours, than calculated by HAL, which can keep the cost down.

HAL has countered that Indian labour isn't as productive as in France and also, the level of automation here is less.

Senior Defence Ministry Officials told NDTV the first issue - that of guaranteeing the quality of aircraft produced in India - has been settled. India has given Dassault the option of physically inspecting the jets and guaranteeing the quality. Alternatively, Dassault is free to take a counter-guarantee from HAL on the process and quality of inputs.

The second issue - the man hours and the cost -- is now between the two companies to sort out. It will be reflected in the report of the crucial Cost Negotiating Committee, which will be submitted to the ministry shortly.

Mr Parrikar recently said he would not want to comment on the progress of the deal since it could influence the report.

India had decided to buy the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft in 2012 over rival offers from the United States, Europe and Russia. The deal was initially worth $12 billion but is now estimated to have jumped to around $15 billion

Rafale Deal on Track, PM Modi to Take Final Call
 
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French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drain and his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar appear to have sorted out one of the key issues holding up the estimated $15 billion deal to buy 126 Rafale fighter jets for the Indian Air Force.
If possible, they must give brief detail of what actually is holding the deal. Too much speculation and negative publicity against Rafale is going on in media and such an information would clear the situation.

HAL has countered that Indian labour isn't as productive as in France and also, the level of automation here is less.
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Thats interesting. I thought when a transfer of manufacturing technology takes place, exact replica of of an assembly line and training of labor and staff takes place to replicate the quality of original product, thats the common norm in any industry.
I'm not sure but is Dassault implying that HAL would be free to employ its own method for assembly of aircraft rather that going by established procedures of OEM?
& if not, than why are they worried about quality. An established assembly line with procedures and trained staff and original material would essentially give you same Rafale, be it in India or France or anywhere else.
@MilSpec ?
 
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In what capacity is Modi taking the decision? Let the pro's decide it, if it's worth it or not.
 
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Bhai ye total bill jo hai khabi 10 khabi 20 khabi 15 .... real bill kitne ka phad rahe hai french ? 10 billion, 15 ki 20 billion ?
 
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Thats interesting. I thought when a transfer of manufacturing technology takes place, exact replica of of an assembly line and training of labor and staff takes place to replicate the quality of original product, thats the common norm in any industry.
I'm not sure but is Dassault implying that HAL would be free to employ its own method for assembly of aircraft rather that going by established procedures of OEM?
& if not, than why are they worried about quality. An established assembly line with procedures and trained staff and original material would essentially give you same Rafale, be it in India or France or anywhere else.
@MilSpec ?

HAL will use its own labour and production process that is suited to their organization and set up. Dassault cannot and will not have any significant say on this.

HAL will initial assemble the parts as per Specifications provided by Dassaut and then test it and qualify it as per standards provided by Dassault.

HAL can use their own instruments to qualify the parts or even their existing machines to manufacture the parts. Dassalt will establish the quality standards for assembly and qualification.
 
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Make it or Break it but pls whatever you do, do it fast.
 
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If Dassault wants quality assurance HAL should provide it. And what is the exact cost of the deal? initially it was 10 billion then people were quoting 20 and now it says 15 billion?
 
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In what capacity is Modi taking the decision? Let the pro's decide it, if it's worth it or not.

Money.

If IAF had any liking to a specific jet, Parikkar would have not said that 'we have other alternates'.

IAF's objective is to meet those 640+ requirements that were set down in MMRCA agreements. If MKIs meet the requirement with modification or Rafales meet them for the same, they will induct either of them.
 
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If MKIs meet the requirement with modification or Rafales meet them for the same, they will induct either of them.
Wel no, the MKI never took part in the MMRCA and isn't a substitute for the Rafale given its ENORMOUS operational costs. Anyone that thinks the MKI is a suitable replacement for the Rafale is either ill-informed or lying.
 
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Now there is 80% chance of Rafale flying in tri color.

Factually, it's 100% … has been for over a decade!!!
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Tricolore, no doubt about it! :whistle:

:yu: Or did you mean something else entirely?
 
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The main issue of assurance has been sorted.

Now there is 80% chance of Rafale flying in tri color.

Good development.
Now it is more a question of when not if, here's hoping it is sooner (a few weeks) than later (months) and this entire drama is put to bed at last.

Then we can all shift our attention to the next lot of pending procurements:

S-70B
CH-47F
AH-64E
M-777
PHALCON (more)
A330 MRTT
C-17s (more)
P-8Is (more)
 
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