Rafale deal in its final stages: IAF chief Raha

[A.P. Richelieu]

dont count your chickens till they hatch

Dont sell the skin until you shot the Bear, LOL..

 

[sathya]

What has happened to French defence minister visit ?

 

[Ind4Ever]

I personally see limited progress unless India takes the MKI route for Pakfa program.. get 3 sqds now whatever Russia produces uptill HAL starts Pakfa/to FGFA program serial production.. But this requires a strategic decision making as gestation period for whole FGFA is pretty long close to 96 months and with added delays add another 12 months.. so 8-9 years.. Thus it makes sense to get some 3 squadrons directly..
BTW i am very interested in the new toy of PAKFA - The anti radiation mach 3.5 missile.. Kh-58UShK.. I am interested to see if we can integrate this missile to other platforms besides PAKFA.. The stats looks impressive ...

"weighs 650 kg with a warhead weight of 149 kg, is 4.19 m long, has a wingspan of 0.8 m, and a diameter of 0.38 m. The Kh-58UShK’s maximum speed is 4,200 km/h and it can be launched at aircraft speeds of Mach 0.47-1.5. It can also be launched at altitudes between 20-20,000 m, providing a maximum range varying between 76-245 km. The minimum range is 10-12 km, this at a launch height of 200 m. "

any idea what anti radiation missile we have in IAF currently? Anything like that in FAF (france)? rafales?

Martel for Jags and Mirrage ..

Kh-31 for Migs and Sukois

next will be our Astra

 

[soldier of Putin]

Still no deal. So frustrating

 

[Donatello]

What happened to 'to be signed within 10 days' ??

 

[Ind4Ever]

Just watch this guys !!! We should stick with 36 rafale or 18 more and go for PakFa 60/80 !!
So we will get two most advanced fighter jet in short span like from 2017 - 2022 .After that our Tejas Mk2 and FGFA WILL FILL IN

What happened to 'to be signed within 10 days' ??

Sept 1st week may be

 

[Donatello]

Sept 1st week may be

I like how you say that......but is it Sept 1st week of 2015, 2016 or 2017?

 

[Ind4Ever]

I like how you say that......but is it Sept 1st week of 2015, 2016 or 2017?

Not sure but as per some reports french gave in to offset claus .Either by investing minimum 30% or taking part in Make in Initiative with passenger jet or some sort . But things looking positive . French DM also on the way .

 

[soldier of Putin]

Rafale sucks. It offers nothing over Mirage 2000. Go for 5th gen like FGFA.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Rafale sucks. It offers nothing over Mirage 2000. Go for 5th gen like FGFA.

You are terribly mistaken !!! And Mig 29 underperformed when compared with Mirage 2K in terms of number of missions carried out by both . Rafale is a generation leap from Mirage !!!

 

[[Bregs]]

Rafale sucks. It offers nothing over Mirage 2000. Go for 5th gen like FGFA.

It sucks in cost very costly otherwise a very potent 4.5 gen fighter, lets see how this game unfolds in future or some Russians plane will be chipped in till FGFA arrives to make the numbers of 126 aircrafts

 

[PARIKRAMA]

some interesting development

Rafale Fighters, Mistral Aircraft Carrier Not On Malaysian Purchase List

Malaysian defense minister omitted mentioning big purchases like Rafale fighter jets and Mistral aircraft carrier ahead of French Defense Minister’s visit to the nation.

Malaysian defense minister, Hishammuddin Hussein said last Friday, “Malaysia will proceed with acquiring armed forces’ assets under the 11th Malaysian plan despite current economic challenges. Upgrading of the ‘Nuri’ Sikorsky S-61A-4 helicopter, Hercules C-130, Admiral Class Corvette and the acquisition of other assets for the three wings of the armed forces (ATM)”.

“The economic situation will not harm the core of the ministry's "business" which was to ensure national security and boost the morale of ATM personnel and its veterans,” he said.

Hishammuddin omitted to mention big purchases highlighted in French defense news portals about the possible purchase of one of the Mistral aircraft carriers ordered by Russia which was cancelled by France citing Ukraine crisis.

The cost of buying and running just one of these Mistral warships will be cost Malaysia a minimum of RM4 billion (USD $1 billion) at the very least.

“It can be done in the near future, and with transparency. The assets are not cheap, and it must be accepted by the public. It must be something that we need, but at the same time we must be realistic on whether or not we can afford it,” Hishammuddin said.

The French defense minister is reported to be in talks with Malaysia to sell us one of these Mistral aircraft carriers, International media reported earlier last week.

France is likely to pitch for the sale of Dassault Rafale fighters to Malaysia under a financial package.

Dassault had offered a 10 year financial package to Malaysia from a French bank guaranteed by the government of France for procurement of its Rafale fighter jet at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace (LIMA) exhibition earlier this year.

Dassault Chief Executive Officer Eric Trappier had expressed willingness to have a long term business deal in Malaysia. He had said that Dassault is looking at different types of industrial packages that includes final assembly line of aircraft, production of some parts, development, maintenance and support to local industries if they were willing to collaborate with them.

According to Hishammuddin, the acquisition can only be carried out if the financial package offered fulfilled the requirements set by the Finance Ministry.

"If it is within our ability, I would like the acquisition to be considered. The technical aspects will be accessed by the air force.

"The economic viability and buying power is under the purview of the Finance Ministry," he said.

With fiscal troubles due to low oil and commodity prices, Malaysia might delay its decision to buy fighter jets, local reports said.
However a French government financial package, along the lines of what sealed the deal with Egypt might tempt Kuala Lumpur which needs new aircraft to serve as deterrence against Chinese aggressive maneuvers in the South China Sea.

Rafale Fighters, Mistral Aircraft Carrier Not On Malaysian Purchase List


@Abingdonboy @Ind4Ever @SpArK @MilSpec

if the report is accurate, it clearly points two things which can be positive for india (i am inferring)
1. Most likely India's request for customisations and 50% offset may be accepted by Dassault
2. The indian rafale deal 36 and perhaps even more follow on becomes vital as Dassault shifts production rate up to 33 over next few years. The Made in India Component is also very vital as the possible other sales may get dealyed, so there is a bigger chance that Dassault may agree for assembly of Rafales in India with TOT (inspite of TOT being labelled at say 50% so perhaps more of non critical nature)

I do strangely now feel confident that Eric Trappier and President Hollande will ensure this deal and the 90 make in India will be done soon perhaps the 36 component in next few days when Eric Trappier visits Malaysia and drops by India when he is returning from malaysia. I also do see that 36 number may get upgraded to 36+18 = 54 now only in case Malaysia order is not thr as firm commitment for higher production rate becomes paramount.

I sincerely feels this is the time India should firmly grab the opportunity and get the best bargain possible in coming few days few weeks opportunity window..

@Gabriel92 @halloweene Hey guys you hearing any new thing by your local news reports..

 

[Sam.]

Rafale is similar to aladin ka chirag , ghiste rho kabhi to niklega.

 

[Gabriel92]

I bet India will not go to more than 36 Rafale. These 36 aircrafts will probably be used by strategic forces... to deliver the kiss of death...

 

[PARIKRAMA]

I bet India will not go to more than 36 Rafale. These 36 aircrafts will probably be used by strategic forces... to deliver the kiss of death...

beyond the 36 kiss of death, should we see more rafales in indian colors? whats the view on the other make in india part?