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Radar Ranges Of Different Fighters

I'm no radar expert I will leave that to Gambit. But I doubt some of these sources would actually know the true (classified) range of the newest and more advanced radars. Also not all TR modules are equal so just because a radar has more doesn't necessarily make it better
 
So power radar is located in the T / R module?

My question is, we have come to the conclusion PESA radar, AESA's Russia or NATO power T / R modules the most?as well as the largest scan angle is how much?I heard AGP-81 radar combined DAS scan angle of F35 180 - 360 degrees?, PESA radar Irbis-E Su-35 range > 400 km?all of that is true?
 
This is from the Swiss evaluation report of the Eurocanards. Assuming these graphs are from real data and plotted from a program like Excel or similar, then the bars will be proportional. ... ... The performance of the Gripen radar relative to the other two would be as per the table below. ... ... If we have a realible performance figure of one, we should be able to derive the others.

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The market to retrofit F-16s with active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars could be a big one, when it materialises. Northrop Grumman is the radar incumbent of the F-16, supplying the mechanically scanned APG-66 for the A/B and APG-68 for the C/D and the electronically scanned APG-80 for the E/F. Now it is flight testing the Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR), a drop-in AESA replacement for the -66 and -68. The radar is flying the company's F-16 surrogate, a Sabreliner, but Northrop is working with Lockheed to find a real F-16 for flight tests next year

SABR's rival in the F-16 retrofit market is the Raytheon Advanced Combat Radar (RACR). Raytheon doesn't plan to demonstrate the RACR in an F-16, citing its similarity to the APG-79 AESA already flying in the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. But before they can duke it out in the international marketplace, it seems the companies face a hurdle - the lack of a U.S. government policy on AESA exportability.
AESAs have been released case-by-case, to the UAE for the F-16E/F and Singapore for the F-15SG, but an export policy is needed for the wider retrofit market to be opened. Northrop's advanced F-16 radars program manager Arlene Camp says a policy is being worked and could come out soon. Meanwhile both companies are making sure they are ready.

There is a lot of interest in AESAs, for a lot of reasons. Some operators want them as a bridge to the AESA-equipped F-35 JSF; some plan to extend the lives of their fighters and want the greater reliability and lower life-cycle cost of an AESA; some want to retrofit part of their fleet with higher-performing AESAs and use them as force multipliers; and others just want an AESA because it's the latest and greatest thing, which it is.

Battle of the Acronyms: SABR vs RACR for F-16 AESA

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SABR radar:



RACR radar:

 
why did i never come across this thread or any thread in this section?
And i beem here 3 years.

I have a suggestion....keep bumping these threads one by one regularly.
 
 
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Old but informative article of Russian radars
 

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Selex ES targets 'affordable' AESA market with Grifo-E
Paolo Valpolini, Milan - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
08 December 2013


Selex ES is looking to widen the market for active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars as development work on the Grifo-E is now starting in earnest.

"We are now concentrating on the future Grifo-E with its electronic scanned antenna," Fabrizio Giulianini, CEO of Selex ES, told IHS Jane's at a ceremony marking the delivery of the 400th Grifo.

"We are aiming at all the platforms where we installed our Grifo until now, as well as at the F-16, for which US solutions exist but might be non-applicable in certain countries due to export restrictions," Giulianini stated.

Detailing the work to be done, Oscar Bosco, senior vice-president for radar and advanced targeting systems, Italy, underlined that "we have already done quite some work on the Grifo processor in order to allow it to manage an AESA antenna, and we are now launching a three years developing phase to reach prototype stage."
 
Grifo airborne radars
The P2800 is part of a series of airborne, multimode fire control radars in development by FIAR. The radar family ranges in size and capability from the P2801 Grifetto to the Grifo-M. Most share a common antenna and steering servomechanism, use a magnetron-based transmitter, and have a common data processor core. FIAR claims that all Grifo radars have good Electronic Counter Countermeasure (ECCM) qualities because of their wide-band frequency agility and low sidelobes. The radars are built in three Line Replaceable Units (LRUs): antenna, transmitter, and receiver/processor.

The smallest radar is the P2801 Griffetto or Grifo ASV (Anti-Surface Vessel) that was proposed for the anti-ship version of the Italian-Brazilian AMX attack aircraft. The multi-modal P2801 shows its best performance in the air-to-sea modes. It can use Track-While-Scan (TWS ) against seaborne targets and single-target tracking as well as air-to-ground ranging, ground mapping, terrain avoidance, freeze, beacon, air-to-air search and track, and air combat modes. The P2801 uses a magnetron operating at a low Pulse Repetition Frequency (PRF) to drive a flat-plate, monopulse antenna. A frigate-sized ship showing a radar cross-section of 10,764 sq ft (1,000 sq m) is claimed to be detectable at ranges greater than 55 nm (63 mi; 102 km). FIAR claims that in the air-to-air mode aircraft can be detected up to 22.4 mi (36 km).

The P2803 Grifo-X is a larger system designed for light attack aircraft that shares the same system connectors with the Grifo ASV. The Grifo-X is a fully coherent, pulse-Doppler radar with the same multi-modal flexibility as the Grifo ASV , but possessing better look-up range and offering a limited look- down capability as well.

The P2800 Grifo-M is larger than the Grifo-X and uses a more elaborate multi- processor fire control system. It is designed to fit in the radar bay of a Mirage III or Mirage V interceptor-strike aircraft as an upgrade option. It is still more powerful than the Grifo-X with greater look-down range and discrimination through the use of Fast-Fourier-Transform (FFT ) Doppler- filtering techniques. Two versions are being developed: the Grifo-M for Mirage-series aircraft, using a circular flat-plate array, and the P2804 Grifo-F, a reconfigured system with an ellipitical scanner that fits in the antenna bay of a Northrop F-5E aircraft. Pakistan has ordered the Grifo-M for its Mirage III fleet, with an option for 50 more systems. Singapore has also selected the P2804 for retrofit into its F-5 fleet.

A more recent version of Grifo, the Grifo-7 designed for installation into the Chinese built F-7 (MiG-21) is now being offered. Pakistan has ordered 100 units for installation into its F-7 force. Grifo-7 radar had four major sub-assemblies--antenna, receiver, processor and transmitter - which were being produced at KARF from completely knocked-down and semi-knocked-down kits and shop and line replaceable units, he added. The radar, he said has a coherent fire control system designed to enhance the air-to-air and air-to-ground performance of F-7P aircraft. He said that the pilot production of Grifo-7 radar was now in progress and would soon be followed by serial production to equip the entire F-7 fleet .

STATUS
Development and flight testing completed by FIAR SpA of Milan . Grifo ASV is installed on the Italian AMX trainer and light attack aircraft. First flight of the P2801 was in September 1989 in the nose of Piaggio-Douglas PD808 testbed. The Grifo ASV began full flight testing on a PD808 in January 1990. Grifo-7 is currently under production in Pakistan at KARF for its F-7P fighters.

According to Air Commodore Salim Akbar, Managing Director, Kamra Avionics and Radar Factory, said that his factory had successfully produced the first Grifo-7 airborne radar in October 2000 and was at present installed at an F-7P aircraft for exhaustive operational tests and trials.

KARF's 'Facility for Airborne Radar' has bright future and it would not only meet the existing F-7P requirements but would also produce airborne radar for future PAF aircraft, he added. The radar is a joint venture of an Italian firm FIAR and KARF. The production equipment used to produce Grifo-7 radar is generic in nature and can also be utilised for production of other electronics, avionics related systems, Commodore Salim Akbar replied to a questioner. Lovenzo Fiori, Chief of FIAR Radar Programme, said that during 1990s, his company started to develop its own radar, which was now a family of Grifo radar. The co-production of the Gripo-7 in Pakistan was not only a remarkable success for PAF and KARF but also a matter of pride for FIAR, he added.

BUILDER(S)
FIAR SpA, Milan, Italy

USERS/PLATFORMS

Italy
AMX (Grifo ASV)
Pakistan
Mirage III (Grifo-M)
F-7 Airguard (Grifo 7)
Singapore
F-5E Tiger (Grifo-F)
Grifo Radar series

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Grifo 7 fire-control radar

Type

X-band (8 to 12.5 GHz sub-band) airborne fire-control radar.

Description

The Grifo 7 is an 8 to 12.5 GHz sub-band, pulse compressed airborne fire-control radar that features Hands On Throttle And Stick (HOTAS) control and `full' electronic counter-countermeasures provision. Other system features include a dual-channel receiver, a `fully processed' guard channel and `extensive' built-in test. Grifo 7 offers `super search' and boresight air-to-air combat modes (both of which feature automatic transition to single target tracking) together with air-to-ground ranging.

Status

As of June 2001, Jane's sources were reporting that the Pakistan Avionics and Radar Factory (PA & RF - Kamra, Pakistan) had delivered its first licence-built, production standard Grifo 7 radar for use in Pakistan's F-7PG and ex-Royal Australian Air Force Mirage IIIO upgrade programmes. Here, the intention was to equip 46 F-7PG aircraft with the radar together with approximately 45 Mirage IIIOs. PA & RF is understood to have delivered a prototype pre-production Grifo 7 during October 2000 and as of the given date, to have been offering the radar for Mirage III upgrade programmes `worldwide'.


Specifications

Frequency: 8-12.5 GHz
Dissipation: 850 W
Power: 500 V A/450 W
Cooling: fan
MTBF: >200 h (flight guaranteed)


Contractor

Fabbrica Italiana Apparecchiature Radioelettriche SpA (FIAR - part of Galileo Avionica)
Milan.
 
Su30MKI have a radar cross section of 10m2?
My God. Its a dead meat for any modern aircraft with decent radar.
That even puts it in line with JF 17 and F16A. I mean with JF17/F16 having Quarter the RCS of Su30MKI. Does that negates the Range benefit of BARS Radar on MKI?
That will put both aircrafts detectable within a range of around 110km to 120km. And both habe equal chance against each other
And with SD-10 on JF17 or AMRAAM equipped F16 it is very much possible to shoot down MKI. And it is not INVINCIBLE as indian Claims.
Funny but in this case mig29 poses a bigger threat as compare to MKI in BVR combat. And with missiles having upto 40G manuvers. The Agility and manuveribility also become Irrelevant.

Experts please.
 
I don’t think it negates the threat posed by the Flankers. It is not a 1-on-1 affair. Also note that the Flankers are known to have good jammers onboard. Also, Indians may use other means of jamming besides the onboard systems.
The Eurofighter got an IRST after the partners realized in the enemy (Flankers in mind) deployed all their equipment and techniques, the Captor radar would be useless.
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