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Excellent ! Thank you for the pictures. Can someone decode the serial # of the missiles ? That way - perhaps it can be cross verified. Serial # is not visible and/or is hidden. My request - Make it public. Just the IAF made the # of AMRAAM public.

LOL

Only thing IAF made public during whole balakot strike and subsequent Pakistani response was not its own attack footage or enemy aircraft debris but serial number of a missile fired by a Pakistani aircraft

What level of buffoonery is this???
 
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Only thing IAF made public during whole balakot strike and subsequent Pakistani response was not its own attack footage or enemy aircraft debris but serial number of a missile fired by a Pakistani aircraft

What level of buffoonery is this???

Areesh - This will lead again to long conversation, so why go that path! Just publish the serial #'s and end the entire conversation on missiles. Then its up to IAF to defend its F16 shot down - till that happens its all imagination. After all the serial # conclusively established that its a PAK AMRAAM after which DGISPR was forced to change the statement to accept F16's were indeed involved on Feb 27th. Lets see if you PAF can force IAF statement to change.
 
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Areesh - This will lead again to long conversation, so why go that path! Just publish the serial #'s and end the entire conversation on missiles. Then its up to IAF to defend its F16 shot down - till that happens its all imagination. After all the serial # conclusively established that its a PAK AMRAAM after which DGISPR was forced to change the statement to accept F16's were indeed involved on Feb 27th. Lets see if you PAF can force IAF statement to change.
You guys will put the same serial numbers on your missiles currently in the inventory and show them to your media just like you brought the SU 30s in an air show with the same call signs.
 
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Areesh - This will lead again to long conversation, so why go that path! Just publish the serial #'s and end the entire conversation on missiles. Then its up to IAF to defend its F16 shot down - till that happens its all imagination. After all the serial # conclusively established that its a PAK AMRAAM after which DGISPR was forced to change the statement to accept F16's were indeed involved on Feb 27th. Lets see if you PAF can force IAF statement to change.

IAF claims several AMRAAM were fired and shared serial number and picture of a piece of wreckage only one missile. Wonder where the other missiles go??

PAF shared complete wreckage of all 4 missiles along with the serial numbers visible on some of them as you can see in the picture

We can clearly see whose story is more credible

The thing is even if PAF would share the serial numbers only (after sharing pictures of all 4 missiles) then IAF and Indians would come up with some other wild conspiracy theory and excuse. There is no end to lies you know. They are infinite

PAf has done its job. Now it is IAF to prove its "kill". A piece of AMRAAM and few MS paint drawing prove nothing.
 
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You guys will put the same serial numbers on your missiles currently in the inventory and show them to your media just like you brought the SU 30s in an air show with the same call signs.
I wish it were that simple. There will be russian databases that will be cross matched - analysts will poke holes in that story if IAF were ever to do that. After all some PAK analysts tried to pass of the AMRAAM as a Taiwanese AMRAAM - only to be caught. So publish the serial #'s
Secondly IAF proudly flew the Su 30 republic day . It announced to the world that there are the exactly same Avenger 1 and 2. Its for PAF to disapprove - since they have made the claim.

IAF claims several AMRAAM were fired and shared serial number and picture of a piece of wreckage only one missile. Wonder where the other missiles go??
What makes you think that IAF doesnt have wreckage of other missiles ? They may have very well found other missiles - but then the objective was to show the world that DGISPR was lying in the sense that no F16's were involved. It showed the AMRAAM and DGISPR changed his statement. Objective achieved - why should it show more ? These are professional air forces - your PAF officers will understand.
My second theory would be - its extremely difficult to recover wreckage also. They may recovered maybe another AMRAAM but doubt if they were able to get their hands on all of them. After all a big airliner like MALAYSIAN Boeing hasnt been discovered yet. Its not easy.

PAF shared complete wreckage of all 4 missiles along with the serial numbers visible on some of them as you can see in the picture
No i tried to blow up - did everything i could. No serial #'s visible. RIght from the first image that was shared. If you could then do share.

We can clearly see whose story is more credible
Credible or not credible is immaterial. What we do know is that - IAF has not changed its story even once ! It has maintained a consistent story right from Day 1. DGISPR - has changed the story very often , to the point that it is very suspicious. Infact logically the DGISPR story is extremely stinky.

PAf has done its job. Now it is IAF to prove its "kill". A piece of AMRAAM and few MS paint drawing prove nothing.
Again - IAF maintained its story . It did a presser with a air battle picture wihich includes radar intercepts , comm intercepts. It clearly painted the picture. Whats stopping PAF from doing the same ? Please do so - Paint the air picture. And you know what..My bet is that It wont ! Coz one lie will lead to another !
 
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What makes you think that IAF doesnt have wreckage of other missiles ? They may have very well found other missiles - but then the objective was to show the world that DGISPR was lying in the sense that no F16's were involved. It showed the AMRAAM and DGISPR changed his statement. Objective achieved - why should it show more ? These are professional air forces - your PAF officers will understand.
My second theory would be - its extremely difficult to recover wreckage also. They may recovered maybe another AMRAAM but doubt if they were able to get their hands on all of them. After all a big airliner like MALAYSIAN Boeing hasnt been discovered yet. Its not easy.

Well if IAF objective was only to show that PAF used F16 and not to prove its "kill" then surely IAF has set very low targets for itself. Surely all those billion dollars that are being spent on IAF are not being put to good use :)

Anyways more than a year later only thing that IAF has is a few feet long piece of metal of only one enemy missile

It has nothing else to show except a piece of metal for all the bravado that Indians have done on its operation and counter to PAF's operation

No wonder despite showing ISPR changed its statement, no neutral expert agrees with claims of Indian state (terrorists killed at balakot or F16 kill)

No i tried to blow up - did everything i could. No serial #'s visible. RIght from the first image that was shared. If you could then do share.

Here you can see numbers on this missile

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It can be serial number or anything. But the thing is at least it is something far more credible than IAF has shown


Onus of proof is on IAF and not on PAF right now

Credible or not credible is immaterial. What we do know is that - IAF has not changed its story even once ! It has maintained a consistent story right from Day 1. DGISPR - has changed the story very often , to the point that it is very suspicious. Infact logically the DGISPR story is extremely stinky.

IAF doesn't need to change its story because it never had one

It left all the job of propaganda and lies on its politicians and media who are even today busy proving kills at Balakot and shooting down of F16

You don't need to change your story if you keep your mouth, something that IAf has done

Again - IAF maintained its story . It did a presser with a air battle picture wihich includes radar intercepts , comm intercepts. It clearly painted the picture. Whats stopping PAF from doing the same ? Please do so - Paint the air picture. And you know what..My bet is that It wont ! Coz one lie will lead to another !

So apparently for you MS paint pictures are more credible than actual wreckage pictures

Then you are a true Indian by that standard of foolishness

But guess what! MS paint pictures are simple not enough for everyone including neutral experts

Like this one:

Indian Radar Data That Supposedly Proves They Downed An F-16 Is Far From "Irrefutable"


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...s-they-downed-an-f-16-is-far-from-irrefutable
 
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It is kind of a small rocket motor in conventional missiles. Serves as the initiator in a power chain with a series of sequences for catapulting the missile forward. Usually, it contains a supply of solid combustible chemical compounds and an igniter. These compounds are burnt rapidly to produce gas (pressure) and then pumped through the vent into the manifold towards the turbine to power the missile.
In case of Vympel designed missiles this gas generator is used for control purpose.
Riiiiight.

So i'm gonna pretend to understand everything you Gentlemen said, but in reality whats really going through my mind is...
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P.S.: @MZ-PDF , could you somehow tag these images to Abhi-Nandos, as well.
 
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Well if IAF objective was only to show that PAF used F16 and not to prove its "kill" then surely IAF has set very low targets for itself. Surely all those billion dollars that are being spent on IAF are not being put to good use :)
No - it achieved its objective. To prove PAF and DGISPR was lying about F16 usage. It achieved its objective - case closed. There is nothing else that need to be done.

Anyways more than a year later only thing that IAF has is a few feet long piece of metal of only one enemy missile
Actually it has done more than PAF has. It painted air battle picture - complete with how many aircrafts , the vectors and the response. PAF other than issue statement through DGISPR has done nothing. I am waiting on some information about supposed Su 30 - which i honestly believe is well concoted lie.

No wonder despite showing ISPR changed its statement, no neutral expert agrees with claims of Indian state (terrorists killed at balakot or F16 kill)
Neutral expert as in PDF members , right ? I mean it does not matter. Here's an awesome chance for you to screw IAF and GOI - release the serial numbers , paint air battle picture and lay this theory to rest. Serial #'s will prove the F16 shot down as bogus and Air battle picture will force IAF on backfoot about Su 30. It actually flew the same Su 30 - prove that its not.

Here you can see numbers on this missile
Comon Areesh - you know what i am talking about. It should not be difficult to get a clear shot of serial number. Dont give me the chalta hain attitude. Show the number in the exact same way that IAF did. This is the chance.

It can be serial number or anything. But the thing is at least it is something far more credible than IAF has shown

But IAF never claimed to have material evidence ! Its has been clear from day 1. We have radar intercepts, comm intercepts, visual sightings , EW signatures through which we are confident that an F16 went down. It has very clearly stated that it does not have material evidence.
The least PAF can do is share similar evidence of for the Su 30 shot down.

Onus of proof is on IAF and not on PAF right now
It doesnt work like that. You make a claim - you lay out the proof. In case of Su 30 - present the proof , the planes flew on republic day. For F16 - lets start with serial numbers. I am more than eager to get serial numbers - for i believe people who are truthful have nothing to be afraid. I believe in IAF and our checks / balances. Even in case of fraticide - it publicly declared 'we screwed up' - i was upset but then i accepted it. Its the right process.

IAF doesn't need to change its story because it never had one
IAF always had consistent story. Gafoora changed the story every time - need i say more.

So apparently for you MS paint pictures are more credible than actual wreckage pictures

Then you are a true Indian by that standard of foolishness

But guess what! MS paint pictures are simple not enough for everyone including neutral experts

Like this one:

Indian Radar Data That Supposedly Proves They Downed An F-16 Is Far From "Irrefutable"


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...s-they-downed-an-f-16-is-far-from-irrefutable

Thank you for posting the article. I read through the article . Here's the summary "India’s latest release of information is interesting, but it remains too circumstantial and limited to put the issue of whether or not the IAF shot down an F-16 to rest for good. The Indian government’s repeated claims, and the counter-claims of an audit of Pakistani Vipers, only seem to raise new questions about exactly what happened in the skies over Kashmir more than a month ago"

I agree with the above summary. All the author is saying "its confusing and not enough". Hence lets start with serial numbers of missiles and we will go from there. You guys should be helping out the PAF by making the serial numbers public.

Lets see what this leads to - perhaps serial numbers will be put out on 27th.
 
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