Questions regarding PAF modernization

[Pulsar]

Euro fighter, Rafale and American systems have all same political effects on PAF especially pak being an only Muslim nuclear state

It's not just political. The truth is Pakistan just cannot afford these planes. They are too expensive to fly and maintain. The capital costs too are horrendously high.

 

[Tomyris]

You r making it too simple.How will the blk 52+ not hold against mki?????

the MKI and higher, it is not in the same category, the SU-30 and similar to the F-15 and F-16 and similar to the mig29 / 35

It's not just political. The truth is Pakistan just cannot afford these planes. They are too expensive to fly and maintain. The capital costs too are horrendously high.

Yet this is the kind of aircraft that need to pakistan, we must promote quality pluto than quantity, the Indian burst will be more powerful than the F-16 BLK52, there are even better than the BLK60. and with the MKI and PAKFA she goes behind vosu.

the American does not allow their material'm tampered with, then it maintains them even. and forcing prices become even more expensive in the entrerien.

if the American is not against the sale of the F-15, I think Pakistan can easily order 24.

otherwise a good advises the su-35 is perfect for you.

 

[Rocky rock]

Despite what some people on this thread are saying, no, Pakistan was not stopped by the US at getting the F-15. PAF simply has had no desire for it, as it is a defensive force by nature. It has, to my knowledge, never expressed any desire to add heavy fighters to it's fleet.

Right now, PAF is upgrading it's F-16s to blk 52 standard, which is more than enough to deter any aggression by foreign forces, including India with it's Su-30MKIs. The force is also continuing to develop the thunder project, so as to build it's domestic capabilities, and from what I can tell, Pakistan is trying to domestic the fighter more and more.

As for a future fighter, PAF will probably jump straight to a 5th gen when it seems that India is going to get it's own 5th gen. There is no need to get Eurofighters, Rafales, or any other such fighters.

i have already mentioned that pakistan had never been in to these AC... it's a defensive force and they always prefer single engine aircraft's because they are cost effective.. and as "Tomyris" asked that if KSA sells F-15 to pakistan so on her question i've said if they wish to do so US will not Allow to sell them to pakistan because they both are allies and in case of war they could have send their aircraft's to Pakistan.

 

[Tomyris]

i have already mentioned that pakistan had never been in to these AC... it's a defensive force and they always prefer single engine aircraft's because they are cost effective.. and as "Tomyris" asked that if KSA sells F-15 to pakistan so on her question i've said if they wish to do so US will not Allow to sell them to pakistan because they both are allies and in case of war they could have send their aircraft's to Pakistan.

an f-15 with better radar, better autonomy and better weapons than an F-16, even though the Pakistani doctrine and its defensive will moin expensive one f-15 and 3 or 4 F16.

you'll have a better efficiency to defend the country. masi if you want my opinion, pakistan should the opportunity to purchase the SU-35. it is higher than the F-15, and permetra a better defense, long range, range, intercept, and most of its sovereignty over.

 

[Manticore]

i have already mentioned that pakistan had never been in to these AC... it's a defensive force

In the past wars, paf was never a defensive force. PAF became a ''defensive force'' due to the u.s embargo and missed opportunities [m2k]

Pakistan has ordered a total of 111 F-16A/B aircraft. Of these, 71 were embargoed by the US due to Pakistan's nuclear weapons program. Of these 71, 28 were actually built but were flown directly to the AMARC at Davis-Monthan AFB for storage. These were paid for by Pakistan.

Previously most of the iaf air bases were near the border however, now in order to attack inside india we need standoff weapons. Even now if paf was purely a defensive force, it shouldnt have had standoff weapons and air refuellers.With bvr, refuelers, awacs, Pakistan can now compete in major fields of capability with india and has somewhat overcome the effects of the lost decade of embargoes

 

[Tomyris]

In the past wars, paf was never a defensive force. PAF became a ''defensive force'' due to the u.s embargo and missed opportunities

a powerful army is an army that knows how to defend and attack know, its not want to say anything a defensive army if you can not hit and hurt your enemy is to deter.

USA is a crumb emabrgo pakistan ??? O_O I did not know .... not an ally metrrait an ally under embargo, it do not want to see Pakistan in peace with a powerful army, the untap you, it is for you to impose the rule in your countries.

 

[SipahSalar]

In the past wars, paf was never a defensive force. PAF became a ''defensive force'' due to the u.s embargo and missed opportunities

PAF is still a very aggressive force. We have no choice vs a larger air force but to go in their territory and bomb their planes on the ground. That is why there is a heavy emphasis on stand off weaponry like Ra'ad.

an f-15 with better radar, better autonomy and better weapons than an F-16, even though the Pakistani doctrine and its defensive will moin expensive one f-15 and 3 or 4 F16.

you'll have a better efficiency to defend the country. masi if you want my opinion, pakistan should the opportunity to purchase the SU-35. it is higher than the F-15, and permetra a better defense, long range, range, intercept, and most of its sovereignty over.

Su 27 ( 30, 35 etc is a marketing scam) is a good plane but nowhere near F-16 or F-15. It is not combat tested and it's avionics are trailing decades behind. Mig 29 was also bloated up to be this beast but when some western pilots flew the plane they were grossly disappointed. Su-27 is just a puffer fish.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

the MKI and higher, it is not in the same category, the SU-30 and similar to the F-15 and F-16 and similar to the mig29 / 35

Yes it is not in the same category but it does`nt mean that light/medium weight fighters cant fight with heavies.These classes r made on the basis of weight which has nothing to do with being superior.So ur logic is incorrect...

 

[masud]

i think our pakistani brother doing well in manufacturing jf-17, i belive instant of just buying weapons it,s good to makeing them.

 

[Tomyris]

PAF is still a very aggressive force. We have no choice vs a larger air force but to go in their territory and bomb their planes on the ground. That is why there is a heavy emphasis on stand off weaponry like Ra'ad.


Su 27 ( 30, 35 etc is a marketing scam) is a good plane but nowhere near F-16 or F-15. It is not combat tested and it's avionics are trailing decades behind. Mig 29 was also bloated up to be this beast but when some western pilots flew the plane they were grossly disappointed. Su-27 is just a puffer fish.

Yes it is not in the same category but it does`nt mean that light/medium weight fighters cant fight with heavies.These classes r made on the basis of weight which has nothing to do with being superior.So ur logic is incorrect...

su-30 offers a better autonomy, it to a more powerful radar.

lool, not the Russian fighter is not low. this will depend on the version, I can get you assured that the Russian version is better than the F-15/16 US.

you just know negotiate a good version because kes F-16 as the Arab American countries are sold are really bad.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

su-30 offers a better autonomy, it to a more powerful radar.

lool, not the Russian fighter is not low. this will depend on the version, I can get you assured that the Russian version is better than the F-15/16 US.

you just know negotiate a good version because kes F-16 as the Arab American countries are sold are really bad.

I agree with the bold part.But alone a radar cannot guarantee one`s superiority over another.But if we look at the radars,F 16 though has a lower radar detection range than mki but the point to be noted is that F 16 has RCS of 1.0 against mki`s something around 15.This helps f16 to detect mki at greater ranges.
P.S.U have completely ignored all other characteristics of jets except radars which alone cannot describe a fighter`s superiority

 

[Tomyris]

I agree with the bold part.But alone a radar cannot guarantee one`s superiority over another.But if we look at the radars,F 16 though has a lower radar detection range than mki but the point to be noted is that F 16 has RCS of 1.0 against mki`s something around 15.This helps f16 to detect mki at greater ranges.
P.S.U have completely ignored all other characteristics of jets except radars which alone cannot describe a fighter`s superiority

but MKI offers a better range of weaponry and autonomy, it can engage a target well before the F-16, one more do not forget that I speak of a mixed heavy / lightweight fighter.

example: su-35 / FC31 / AWACS.

currently the best fighter from Pakistan and the F-16 and "India and comander about to rafale, so a mixed su-30 / rafale, pakistan will have no chance, the MKi you will incur before, and rafale finish the work. any large and powerful army is the heavy fighter in their army. I think that Pakistan has a chance to deliver powerful aircraft.

russia is not against, and if you can accept American bought the F-15 Saudi miderniser.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

but MKI offers a better range of weaponry and autonomy, it can engage a target well before the F-16, one more do not forget that I speak of a mixed heavy / lightweight fighter.

Ma`am u may not be right here.Mki being an air superiority jet mostly offers good air to air weaponry but lacks in air to ground roles.

"India and comander about to rafale, so a mixed su-30 / rafale, pakistan will have no chance, the MKi you will incur before, and rafale finish the work

Rafale deal is done and dusted.So rafale wont be a player in any future indo-pak conflict

one more do not forget that I speak of a mixed heavy / lightweight fighter.

example: su-35 / FC31 / AWACS.

U r right about light and heavy fighter combination.Pakistan should go for some heavies.But here the problem of money arises.

 

[SipahSalar]

lool, not the Russian fighter is not low. this will depend on the version, I can get you assured that the Russian version is better than the F-15/16 US.

you just know negotiate a good version because kes F-16 as the Arab American countries are sold are really bad.

Your assurance is not good enough. F-16 is a combat proven fighter baptised in fire, whereas Su-27 is a fantasy toy for armchair generals.

 

[Kompromat]

No new jets for PAF till 2020. They'll keep developing JF-17s into further blocks like JAS-39 Gripen. The F-16s most likely would be replaced by FC-31.