Questions regarding PAF modernization

[I FLY HIGH]

American cancel the order on the Pakistani f16.
IAF of the future is not IAFque you talk to me now.

SU-30MKI and higher than the F-16
RAFALE and higher than the F-16
the PAKFA and superior to the F-16

India will remlacer are aviation by more powerful aircraft in the world and modernization

SU-30 radar AESA
RAFALE radar AESA
PAKFA radar AESA ...

we must look at the future my friend and not what India DEPLOYS actuelement


yes su-35 would be very interesting to pakistan.

a mixed su-35 and FC-31 will be his top

pls look into my post , i have not mentioned that SU30 is equal to F16 ,but block 52 + and block 50 can really counter MKI backed by Saab 2000. in this scenerio there is no clear edge in favour of SU 30. AESA is surely an advantage in case of SU30. Well a country with the economy of Pakistan at present we are running Jf17 thunder which is to replace all old class (f7 , mirage , pgs). In block 3 we may see AESA fitted in JF 17 thunder , we can go to J10 b which has AESA radar as well . But with this economy at present it is really hard to take a costly initiative against a bigger resource country but we have to respond untill we have good hefty budgets to spend .

 

[Rocky rock]

not my brother, I am not against the US, I am against their injustice, be ally is good, but be their slave and pawn I'm against.

the aflover brother just said. the American will never give in pakistan power, he always careful that ele Pakistan will not become a power. the American want just secured their interest. and if it is necessary to create a conflict for her it will do no hesitate.

the American refuses to sell sophisticated weapons to pakistant, yet their drone flight over the pakistan he say who your ally and yet he refuses you a lot.

This is not a reliable ally,
make peace with India, strengthen the relationship with russia, china, iran, saudi arabia and turkey, here's your future, because they are your neighbor, and you have created a power together otherwise you you went to kill each and will benefit the American interest.

the pakistan will break the American influences profresivement if the pakistant negotiated with Russia selling SU-30/35, russia will not refuse because it is needed to combine and money, so a mixed su- 30/35 and FC-31 Chinese aviation will be your powerful, and later the S-400 etc ... you have more freedom and you would be more powerful, while the American pressure on you always do.
the pakistant has a huge potential, you can become a super free and sovereign power, but for her it will create a new alliance and leave American yoke

Well everyone knows that there's nothin like brotherhood between two countries it's their interest and business which makes them Ally..

And everyone knows about American injustice but couldn't resist because America is superpower... and the country which needs to live under her umbrella couldn't resist a bit.

So the way they are dealing with us we do the same. That's why now we are heading towards china and Russia because for now it's in our interest and for china we could make better relationship coz we've got the same enemy..

In short we have many masterminds there where they are playing their cards very well... so just relax...!

 

[Manticore]

American cancel the order on th

a mixed su-35 and FC-31 will be his top

In the past 7 years, paf has inducted awacs, air refuelers and bvr platforms [block 52 / mlu f16s with aim120c5 and jf17 with sd10]
So pakistan can now compete in major fields of capability with india and has somewhat overcome the effects of the lost decade of embargoes

Now pakistan is increasing the number of bvr capable aircrafts with better avionics and standoff weapons --- the sortie rate / availability of single engine fighters is higher than double engine fighters

Pakistan has a ucav called burraq

 

[Tomyris]

Thanks for answer
But going straightway to SU30/35 is not that easy it's not possible to come out of Chinese influence so quick but yes slowly slowly pak has to improve its relations with the neighbors to create a parallel alliance to neutrilze the U.S. influence by increasing more Russian defense products in pak army

pls look into my post , i have not mentioned that SU30 is equal to F16 ,but block 52 + and block 50 can really counter MKI backed by Saab 2000. in this scenerio there is no clear edge in favour of SU 30. AESA is surely an advantage in case of SU30. Well a country with the economy of Pakistan at present we are running Jf17 thunder which is to replace all old class (f7 , mirage , pgs). In block 3 we may see AESA fitted in JF 17 thunder , we can go to J10 b which has AESA radar as well . But with this economy at present it is really hard to take a costly initiative against a bigger resource country but we have to respond untill we have good hefty budgets to spend .

Well everyone knows that there's nothin like brotherhood between two countries it's their interest and business which makes them Ally..

And everyone knows about American injustice but couldn't resist because America is superpower... and the country which needs to live under her umbrella couldn't resist a bit.

So the way they are dealing with us we do the same. That's why now we are heading towards china and Russia because for now it's in our interest and for china we could make better relationship coz we've got the same enemy..

In short we have many masterminds there where they are playing their cards very well... so just relax...!

yes my friend, there are many problems, but it is possible to adjust them, if pakistant puts at retirement while the old hunter, it may provide su-35. who and superior to the F-15/16/18.
the purpose and not be more than India, but creates a sufficient power to deter and know repel any attack those in conflict. but the best solution and peace.
russia and china not removed the sovereignty of a country, not like the American anyway. So it's better to have them as allies, especially that it is your neighbor and they are power, would be beast of their enemy.

the American does not respect the sovereignty of Pakistan, and I think we need a strong man at the head of the country asked the American to pack. is as I told you, pakistan and powerful nation, he person is needed to end TERRORISM.

American are the same great party of the problem. we must make peace between Pakistan and with your hardware against the army TERRORISM (Chinese UAV wing loog) copy of the American predator.

and finally, saudi Arabia seek help from egypt and pakistan to fought against TERRORISM, and Pakistan and ally important to saudi arabia, it easily give you a financial aid if necessary, proof with egypt

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@Tomyris

ohh sorry.

thank you

 

[Manticore]

yes my friend, there are many problems, but it is possible to adjust them, if pakistant puts at retirement while the old hunter, it may provide su-35. who and superior to the F-15/16/18.
the purpose and not be more than India, but creates a sufficient power to deter and know repel any attack those in conflict. but the best solution and peace.
russia and china not removed the sovereignty of a country, not like the American anyway. So it's better to have them as allies, especially that it is your neighbor and they are power, would be beast of their enemy.

the American does not respect the sovereignty of Pakistan, and I think we need a strong man at the head of the country asked the American to pack. is as I told you, pakistan and powerful nation, he person is needed to end TERRORISM.

American are the same great party of the problem. we must make peace between Pakistan and with your hardware against the army TERRORISM (Chinese UAV wing loog) copy of the American predator.

and finally, saudi Arabia seek help from egypt and pakistan to fought against TERRORISM, and Pakistan and ally important to saudi arabia, it easily give you a financial aid if necessary, proof with egypt


ohh sorry.

thank you

moved

 

[Tomyris]

Thanks for answer
But going straightway to SU30/35 is not that easy it's not possible to come out of Chinese influence so quick but yes slowly slowly pak has to improve its relations with the neighbors to create a parallel alliance to neutrilze the U.S. influence by increasing more Russian defense products in pak army

pls look into my post , i have not mentioned that SU30 is equal to F16 ,but block 52 + and block 50 can really counter MKI backed by Saab 2000. in this scenerio there is no clear edge in favour of SU 30. AESA is surely an advantage in case of SU30. Well a country with the economy of Pakistan at present we are running Jf17 thunder which is to replace all old class (f7 , mirage , pgs). In block 3 we may see AESA fitted in JF 17 thunder , we can go to J10 b which has AESA radar as well . But with this economy at present it is really hard to take a costly initiative against a bigger resource country but we have to respond untill we have good hefty budgets to spend .

Well everyone knows that there's nothin like brotherhood between two countries it's their interest and business which makes them Ally..

And everyone knows about American injustice but couldn't resist because America is superpower... and the country which needs to live under her umbrella couldn't resist a bit.

So the way they are dealing with us we do the same. That's why now we are heading towards china and Russia because for now it's in our interest and for china we could make better relationship coz we've got the same enemy..

In short we have many masterminds there where they are playing their cards very well... so just relax...!

yes my friend, there are many problems, but it is possible to adjust them, if pakistant puts at retirement while the old hunter, it may provide su-35. who and superior to the F-15/16/18.
the purpose and not be more than India, but creates a sufficient power to deter and know repel any attack those in conflict. but the best solution and peace.
russia and china not removed the sovereignty of a country, not like the American anyway. So it's better to have them as allies, especially that it is your neighbor and they are power, would be beast of their enemy.

the American does not respect the sovereignty of Pakistan, and I think we need a strong man at the head of the country asked the American to pack. is as I told you, pakistan and powerful nation, he person is needed to end TERRORISM.

American are the same great party of the problem. we must make peace between Pakistan and with your hardware against the army TERRORISM (Chinese UAV wing loog) copy of the American predator.

and finally, saudi Arabia seek help from egypt and pakistan to fought against TERRORISM, and Pakistan and ally important to saudi arabia, it easily give you a financial aid if necessary, proof with egypt

 

[IrbiS]

let me tell you the scenerio , IAF has 126 su30 mki , Mirage 2000 in 200 numbers and then its mig 29, 23 ,21 etc . Look PAF has 85 F16s which constitutes Block 52 +and lower blocks are upgraded to block 50 , F16s can encounter SU30 mki, While PAF has developed JF17 thunder with advanced avionics , bvr and electronic warfare suite block 2 is to be rolled out with air refuelling probe , 50 is rolled out while block 2 is coming out , JF17 thunder backed by Awacs ZDK is very lethal and can counter Mirages . While Pakistan has mirage 3 and 5 rose with large no more than 100. While f7 and f7 pgs . So now at the moment it is more or less balanced and no clear edge in IAF favour . If in future IAF procures more planes like Rafales or more advanced mkis , PAF has to respond otherwise the balance will be disturbed . For future plan PAF can replace F7 , Mirage 3 and 5 with thunders. while Chinese j10 b can be inducted for which all the homework is already done but is deffered . FC 31 can also be inducted which is 5th gen plan but it is under development . PAF has future options which it could choose to counter IAF . I hope i give you the right answer .

I was thinking of getting a good night sleep and suddenly you say that India has 200 Mirages! Better check your numbers on 'em and Sushkas too

 

[Rocky rock]

Who let the dogs out..? N i am watching here so many lieutenants have vocabulary problem here... try to cover it up... :l

 

[Tomyris]

In the past 7 years, paf has inducted awacs, air refuelers and bvr platforms [block 52 / mlu f16s with aim120c5 and jf17 with sd10]
So pakistan can now compete in major fields of capability with india and has somewhat overcome the effects of the lost decade of embargoes

Now pakistan is increasing the number of bvr capable aircrafts with better avionics and standoff weapons --- the sortie rate / availability of single engine fighters is higher than double engine fighters

Pakistan has a ucav called burraq

yes I agree with you, but this is not enough, the Indian aviation will be even more powerful.

and on the drone, exmpliqué me why the American drone strikes in Pakistan? you not need their help, he do not pay attention to the civil, and even supplies the internal conflict, one more he refuses to sell you high tech weapon. it is not a fair partnership.

 

[Manticore]

yes I agree with you, but this is not enough, the Indian aviation will be even more powerful.

and on the drone, exmpliqué me why the American drone strikes in Pakistan? you not need their help, he do not pay attention to the civil, and even supplies the internal conflict, one more he refuses to sell you high tech weapon. it is not a fair partnership.

Taliban is in those regions and civilians have been evacuated.
There is no ideal partnership in this world only vested interests and leverage. Pakistan has been severely destroyed by the past government both politically and economically.

We are building most of the weapon systems ourselves and this pattern with continue. This path was chosen in light of embargoes
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Pakistan has a choice to either use up all the money on j10b or bump jft blk3 specs up and save the money for 5th gen fighter. Right now the aircraft generation gap is not that much but the gap will sky rocket when india introduces pak-fa -- At that time paf has to have similar capability

In late-February 2006, the then-President of Pakistan, General (Retd) Pervez Musharraf was given a detailed briefing on J-10 during his visit to China.

 

[Tomyris]

Taliban is in those regions and civilians have been evacuated.
There is no ideal partnership in this world only vested interests and leverage. Pakistan has been severely destroyed by the past government both politically and economically.

We are building most of the weapon systems ourselves and this pattern with continue. This path was chosen in light of embargoes
Weapons made in Pakistan | Page 7
Pakistan has a choice to either use up all the money on j10b or bump jft blk3 specs up and save the money for 5th gen fighter. Right now the aircraft generation gap is not that much but the gap will sky rocket when india introduces pak-fa -- At that time paf has to have similar capability

In late-February 2006, the then-President of Pakistan, General (Retd) Pervez Musharraf was given a detailed briefing on J-10 during his visit to China.

burst and su-30 modernization is equally formidable, and with the pakfa India will be even more powerful.
you rightly soiligné that pakistan will have to save with a powerful aviantion. you better have 100 super hunter, pluto 200 flying target.

as I said you could get money from saudi arabia.

but the best advice would be to have a mixed aviation and air defense SAM

 

[Nawaba]

yes I agree with you, but this is not enough, the Indian aviation will be even more powerful.

and on the drone, exmpliqué me why the American drone strikes in Pakistan? you not need their help, he do not pay attention to the civil, and even supplies the internal conflict, one more he refuses to sell you high tech weapon. it is not a fair partnership.

Agreed.

 

[That Guy]

Despite what some people on this thread are saying, no, Pakistan was not stopped by the US at getting the F-15. PAF simply has had no desire for it, as it is a defensive force by nature. It has, to my knowledge, never expressed any desire to add heavy fighters to it's fleet.

Right now, PAF is upgrading it's F-16s to blk 52 standard, which is more than enough to deter any aggression by foreign forces, including India with it's Su-30MKIs. The force is also continuing to develop the thunder project, so as to build it's domestic capabilities, and from what I can tell, Pakistan is trying to domestic the fighter more and more.

As for a future fighter, PAF will probably jump straight to a 5th gen when it seems that India is going to get it's own 5th gen. There is no need to get Eurofighters, Rafales, or any other such fighters.

 

[Tomyris]

Despite what some people on this thread are saying, no, Pakistan was not stopped by the US at getting the F-15. PAF simply has had no desire for it, as it is a defensive force by nature. It has, to my knowledge, never expressed any desire to add heavy fighters to it's fleet.

Right now, PAF is upgrading it's F-16s to blk 52 standard, which is more than enough to deter any aggression by foreign forces, including India with it's Su-30MKIs. The force is also continuing to develop the thunder project, so as to build it's domestic capabilities, and from what I can tell, Pakistan is trying to domestic the fighter more and more.

As for a future fighter, PAF will probably jump straight to a 5th gen when it seems that India is going to get it's own 5th gen. There is no need to get Eurofighters, Rafales, or any other such fighters.

if Pakistan does not have a heavy fighter, India will have the inivtiative and superiority, the F-16 blok52 will not hold against the SU-30MKI if it is not accompanied by an AWACS.

you is right to specify the local development, because it is better to develop its own technology, but we also bought high tech weapon in order to protect the country. pakistan are expected to strengthen SAM system

the 5th generation will change the strategy, a PAKFA with electronic jamming and powerful missile could easily entered your teritoire and destroy what he want, you need overkill radar, and also of the G5 fighter.

I do not know if the FC-31 is powerful, but pakistan has good relationship with China; you may be able to get a specific version of the J-20

(dsl exclaims wrong if I'm using google translation)

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

if Pakistan does not have a heavy fighter, India will have the inivtiative and superiority, the F-16 blok52 will not hold against the SU-30MKI if it is not accompanied by an AWACS.

you is right to specify the local development, because it is better to develop its own technology, but we also bought high tech weapon in order to protect the country. pakistan are expected to strengthen SAM system

the 5th generation will change the strategy, a PAKFA with electronic jamming and powerful missile could easily entered your teritoire and destroy what he want, you need overkill radar, and also of the G5 fighter.

I do not know if the FC-31 is powerful, but pakistan has good relationship with China; you may be able to get a specific version of the J-20

(dsl exclaims wrong if I'm using google translation)

You r making it too simple.How will the blk 52+ not hold against mki?????