Questions on 9/11 remain unanswered

[gambit]

It is now clear that no American agency/individual was accused for their negligence to prevent 9/11.

Next question is:

Why no proceedings in a competent US Court of law were ever initiated against OBL/Zwahiari and their colleagues? Why these people were not charged in absentia by a US court? So far Al Qaida has been accused by US Admin and not by a Court of Law.

Are you serious...???

The US had plenty of internal reviews and those reviews clearly outlined institutional flaws, inefficiencies and yes, even some measures of negligence. Why do you think we had reforms? Finally, please see US v bin Laden.

Freaking unbelievable...

 

[Martian]

Are you serious...???

The US had plenty of internal reviews and those reviews clearly outlined institutional flaws, inefficiencies and yes, even some measures of negligence. Why do you think we had reforms? Finally, please see US v bin Laden.

Freaking unbelievable...

US internal reviews and investigations are not equal to conviction by a competent Court of Law.

What was outcome of US vs bin Laden? Did court found OBL guilty? What sentence was gievn to OBL in this case?

 

[lem34]

Say Saddam order to have Ahmed killed. The entire process:

- From Saddam's internal decision,
- To the verbalization of that decision,
- To the physical detention of Ahmed by a soldier,
- To the loading of a weapon by that soldier,
- To the final shooting of Ahmed.

Is called a 'dictatorial process'. There are no interferences. Even if the rifle is jammed or the soldier tripped on his way to detain Ahmed, there are subordinate processes to correct those unintentional delays in order to comply with Saddams's order.

We have many such 'dictatorial processes' in life. An operating system has a scheduler to regulate tasks and the flow of tasks. A CPU has a memory controller to regulate data and data flow. A simple lock on a door is very much a dictatorial device. You can either bypass the lock by destroying it or comply with the lock's demands. For the latter, you can either insert the authorized key or manipulate the tumblers by other means but once the lock's tumblers accepted your manipulation, it is no different than if you had used the authorized key. So the lock is a 'dictatorial' device.

The example I gave of the US government's law making process is an appropriate example of the differences between dictatorial processes and built-in incompetency.

Gambit mate you have not just lost the plot here you are on a different planet. This thread is not about democracy. Is this how american engineers think? lol. Now lets change Saddam to Obama and Ahmed to Osama. How does your scenario enact out

Obama order to have Osama killed

From Obamas internal decision, as no court had found osama guilty
- To the verbalization of that decision,
- To the physical detention of Osama by a soldier,
- To the loading of a weapon by that soldier,
- To the final shooting of Osama.
Is called a 'dictatorial process'. There are no interferences. Even if the rifle is jammed or the soldier tripped on his way to detain Osama, there are subordinate processes to correct those unintentional delays in order to comply with Osama's order.

Wow if the cap fits wear it. You have inadvertantly shown us that democracy in the west is just a word to anesthetise your conciousness that you have democracy. Obama is an elected dictator. Was that your intention?

Now back to thread I dont believe that CIA was complicit nor incompetent with 9/11. Similarly ISI I dont believe they were complicit or incompetent in Osama discovery

 

[gambit]

Gambit mate you have not just lost the plot here you are on a different planet. This thread is not about democracy. Is this how american engineers think? lol. Now lets change Saddam to Obama and Ahmed to Osama. How does your scenario enact out

Obama order to have Osama killed

From Obamas internal decision, as no court had found osama guilty
- To the verbalization of that decision,
- To the physical detention of Osama by a soldier,
- To the loading of a weapon by that soldier,
- To the final shooting of Osama.
Is called a 'dictatorial process'. There are no interferences. Even if the rifle is jammed or the soldier tripped on his way to detain Osama, there are subordinate processes to correct those unintentional delays in order to comply with Osama's order.

You got that right. In a war, there is no 'due process'. Osama bin Laden and his band of Islamist militants declared war on US. We will respond in kind.

 

[Martian]

You got that right. In a war, there is no 'due process'. Osama bin Laden and his band of Islamist militants declared war on US. We will respond in kind.

So, you agree with following:

1. No CIA/Pentagon/US Admin official was ever punished for their negligence to protect US.

2. 9/11 highjacks/OBL and colleagues were never convicted by US Court of Law. No evidence against them was ever presented before a prosecuting court.

What was outcome of US vs. OBL case?

All we have heard over last decade is rhetoric of US Admin.

 

[gambit]

So, you agree with following:

1. No CIA/Pentagon/US Admin official was ever punished for their negligence to protect US.

2. 9/11 highjacks/OBL and colleagues were never convicted by US Court of Law. No evidence against them was ever presented before a prosecuting court.

What was outcome of US vs. OBL case?

All we have heard over last decade is rhetoric of US Admin.

This thread is a wash and all your arguments with it. The 'incompetency' indictment against US lost its severity when you cannot present any credible arguments to prove that ANY other country could have done any better. Heck, Pakistan cannot even control large areas of Pakistani soil and here you are trying in vain to make that charge stick.

 

[ptldM3]

So, you agree with following:

1. No CIA/Pentagon/US Admin official was ever punished for their negligence to protect US.

This is silly, how could they have know? All that was know is that something will happen, when and where was not known.

2. 9/11 highjacks/OBL and colleagues were never convicted by US Court of Law. No evidence against them was ever presented before a prosecuting court.

Again silly, Osama took responsibility for the attacks, so the entire prosecuting court notion is again silly.

What was outcome of US vs. OBL case?

The outcome was the bombing of Afghanistan.

 

[lem34]

You got that right. In a war, there is no 'due process'. Osama bin Laden and his band of Islamist militants declared war on US. We will respond in kind.

So much for your way of life and democracy. When it suits you no due process when it doesnt ....

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This is silly, how could they have know? All that was know is that something will happen, when and where was not known.



Again silly, Osama took responsibility for the attacks, so the entire prosecuting court notion is again silly.






The outcome was the bombing of Afghanistan.

the funny thing is you dont even realise the irony

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This thread is a wash and all your arguments with it. The 'incompetency' indictment against US lost its severity when you cannot present any credible arguments to prove that ANY other country could have done any better. Heck, Pakistan cannot even control large areas of Pakistani soil and here you are trying in vain to make that charge stick.

Oh looking for mitigation just blame pakistan thats your normal mantra isnt it. Why are you an american so obsessed with pakistan? Oh dont go quite on me make some drivel up so it looks like you got the last word in even though it may be meaningless cut copy paste drivel that you dont understand.

 

[husn25]

What about building 7?

No planes hit that building. I believe it couldn't take it anymore. had a heart attack and came down just as controlled demolition will bring a building down.

 

[gambit]

So much for your way of life and democracy. When it suits you no due process when it doesnt ....

Did Osama bin Laden gave any Americans any 'due process' under Islamic laws?

Oh looking for mitigation just blame pakistan thats your normal mantra isnt it. Why are you an american so obsessed with pakistan? Oh dont go quite on me make some drivel up so it looks like you got the last word in even though it may be meaningless cut copy paste drivel that you dont understand.

Blame? Everyone can see that your 'incompetency' argument came out to zilch. Heck, you cannot even understand what I presented about built-in incompetency versus accidental to make your charge stick. Give up law and take up driving a cab.

 

[snakeflyer]

95% of world belive its true hmmm u know how many muslims lives in world ? i guess 70+% belives it was inside job. And more and more american belives too. Same here in Norway its same. And now in Libya case every one 90% ppl know the truth

 

[gambit]

What about building 7?

No planes hit that building. I believe it couldn't take it anymore. had a heart attack and came down just as controlled demolition will bring a building down.

That again...???

Fire Protection Engineering Archives - Historical Survey of Multistory Building Collapses Due to Fire

A fire-initiated full collapse of a textile factory occurred in Alexandria, Egypt, on July 19, 2000.6 This 6-story building was built of reinforced concrete, and its fire started at about 9 a.m. in the storage room at the ground floor.

No aircraft hit that building either and it was only 6-stories tall. Guess building hear attacks must be quite common in a fire.

 

[fd24]

This thread is a wash and all your arguments with it. The 'incompetency' indictment against US lost its severity when you cannot present any credible arguments to prove that ANY other country could have done any better. Heck, Pakistan cannot even control large areas of Pakistani soil and here you are trying in vain to make that charge stick.

Firstly USA have shown gross incompetency in the past so please don't make out they don't frequently behave that way. They lie and try to cover up things all the time.
Secondly young man please stick to the thread and don't diversify. This isn't about Pakistan its about 9/11 and the unanswered questions.

 

[husn25]

That again...???

Fire Protection Engineering Archives - Historical Survey of Multistory Building Collapses Due to Fire

No aircraft hit that building either and it was only 6-stories tall. Guess building hear attacks must be quite common in a fire.

You missed a point in my post and that is "came down just as controlled demolition will bring a building down"

The link you mentioned shows buildings partially collapsed and destroyed. None of the buildings came down the way controlled demolition ones. Fire sure does the damage but it does not take the building down just as twin towers and building 7 the heart attack victim.

Madrid Windsor Tower
Over 4 stories tall. Burnt for over 18 hours and didn't came down like building 7? No planes hit and no heart attack either.

Building 7 came down without a reason. no problem at all. as i mentioned heart attack thing cud have happened. The only point is controlled demolition brings the building down 100% same way. Why does this building demolition industry survive? How about starting a fire in a dustbin in an office of 47 stories tall building and after a few hours it will come down in no different manner than controlled demolition will bring a building down?

 

[gambit]

You missed a point in my post and that is "came down just as controlled demolition will bring a building down"

The link you mentioned shows buildings partially collapsed and destroyed. None of the buildings came down the way controlled demolition ones. Fire sure does the damage but it does not take the building down just as twin towers and building 7 the heart attack victim.

Just because it 'looked like' something does not mean its cause must be the same. That is among the most important rules in scientific investigation. In other words, the same behaviors can have different causes.

Madrid Windsor Tower
Over 4 stories tall. Burnt for over 18 hours and didn't came down like building 7? No planes hit and no heart attack either.

Building 7 came down without a reason. no problem at all. as i mentioned heart attack thing cud have happened. The only point is controlled demolition brings the building came down 100% same way. Why does this building demolition industry survive? How about starting a fire in a dustbin in an office of 47 stories old building and after a few hours it will come down in no different manner than controlled demolition will bring a building down?

The Windsor was not of the same construct as the WTC towers. The Windsor was of concrete construction below the 17th floor and similar steel construction to the WTC towers above the 17th floor.

Case Studies: Historical Fires: Windsor Tower Fire

A large portion of the floor slabs above the 17th Floor progressively collapsed during the fire when the unprotected steel perimeter columns on the upper levels buckled and collapsed (see Figure 1). It was believed that the massive transfer structure at the 17th Floor level resisted further collapse of the building.

Above the 17th floor, the Windsor's steel columns collapsed, just as how the WTC towers' steel columns failed. In effect, above the 17th floor, we had a smaller version of the WTC towers.

As far as the 'controlled demolition' argument goes, answer this question: Why is it that those in the demolition business do not unify and speak up?