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QUESTIONS asked by, gen KIYANI & CJ choudhry! who is right?

Koi bhi kuch nahi, wattan key liye lakin aik qatal key qaddi ko saza bhi deynaa zarori hai!
Hum ko peacefull pakistan chahiye aggar peacefull pakistan ho jaye tu saab thek kar lengey, laakin peace insaaf see atta hai , Cj key drama se nahi joo arsalan betey ko aiyashi karney dey aur dhashat gardoon ko chor dyen!!!!!!

Sir Supreme Court is not a trial court. CJ did his job by taking suo moto against his son and bringing him before the court. Now the matter lies with investigation authorities and the case will be heard in lower/trial courts. CJ couldn't sentence him as he has no power to do so.

The only punishment Supreme Court can give is the contempt of court and that too for maximum of 6 months. It is not Supreme Court's job to sentence criminals, be it Arsalan or anybody else
 
Reply to Asim:

^^ This is why people of Pakistan do not believe in justice.. hence my point.

You can't punish a President because he has immunity (by law) so he is free to do all the evil as long he is president!
And Imagine complete disregard of evidence.. forensic or documentary, at least it is technically more qualitative than sumoto justice.
While evidence on media against CJ is presented by Faisal Reza Abidi, stated before by other members.

Accept it proving iftikhar ch. as corrupt will shake the foundations of PTI, accept it, that it was damned long march which brought Pakistan to its knees and IK shares the blame most.

You are willing to accept Zardari as President with all his shortcomings and technical flaws, but than calling the imposition of emergency by previous president, as unconstitutional is not justice either.
 
Zardari has been sworn in as President. Opening a case against the President is prohibited by the constitution.

If that was the case then why the apex court of justice Choudhry has wasted its precious time and funds on NRO implementation case, it even sent an elected PM back home for not writing a letter to Swiss authorities?
 
When Zardari was packing up evidence of his corruption in Switzerland, it was all recorded on media.
While CJ failed to take notice.. of that broadcast.

It is not by accident that Iftikhar ch. regularly got blamed for corruption and blackmailing.
 
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You can't punish a President because he has immunity (by law) so he is free to do all the evil as long he is president!............

Not just the President, please read Article 199(3) of Pakistan's Constitution that exempts all armed forces too. (Clause (1) refers to the jurisdiction of the High Courts and the Supreme Court.)

(3) An order shall not be made under clause (1) on application made by or in relation to a person who is a member of the Armed Forces of Pakistan, or who is for the time being subject to any law relating to any of those Forces, in respect of his terms and conditions of service, in respect of any matter arising out of his service, or in respect of any action taken in relation to him as a member of the Armed Forces of Pakistan or as a person subject to such law.
 
When Zardari was packing up evidence of his corruption in Switzerland, it was all recorded on media.
While CJ failed to take notice.. of that broadcast.

It is not by accident that Iftikhar ch. regularly got blamed for corruption and blackmailing.

I am afraid such amateur videos are not accepted in any court of law. Yeah, some investigation could have been called. But again jurisdictions! GoP in lieu had to respond, but archangels out there in parliament wouldn't dare to question Mr. Zardari.
 
thief justice of nawaz sharif court , high on crystal meth that his son makes from ephedrine , got it wrong
 
I am afraid such amateur videos are not accepted in any court of law. Yeah, some investigation could have been called. But again jurisdictions! GoP in lieu had to respond, but archangels out there in parliament wouldn't dare to question Mr. Zardari.

Are you sure? Why than Pakistan cricket team players were punished? Why did iftikhar ch. took su-moto of private discussion on a news channel?

BTW... that video was not amature.. it was some news channel, privately tipped and the characters were Embassy staff of Geneva office and Pakistani Ambassador to UK, just days before they removed Pakistan's Ambassador to Switzerland.

All forensic evidence goes against Zardari.... while your CJ have subjected justice to a blood letter!
 
Sir Supreme Court is not a trial court. CJ did his job by taking suo moto against his son and bringing him before the court. Now the matter lies with investigation authorities and the case will be heard in lower/trial courts. CJ couldn't sentence him as he has no power to do so.

The only punishment Supreme Court can give is the contempt of court and that too for maximum of 6 months. It is not Supreme Court's job to sentence criminals, be it Arsalan or anybody else

If supreme court only thinks that its court which can run the dam country, they r wrong, which they think they r right now!
Anything which can show their power they kept taking by sumo-moto anything which is not in their intersts they don't care?
They can tell a C-minster of baluchistan that ur govt is finished & you may go now, they can adive to take FC out of bluchistan?
Wow ,
They can advise to send rangers back to borders & give thiesalries to police which is highly politisized in karachi !
Wow
Tht means simple they SC is virtualy is runing a govt by its own?
Why don't these QanoonI thugs tell the trial courts or the junior courts to nt let's terroists getting bails, why couldn't they tell the politicians what kind of amendments they should do to bring fast & accurate justice to the poors of pakistan?
No they r the traitors who r working on a decided script to defame Pakarmy , to the level where it can say to the politicians to sell their nucks!
Well if they think. They can do this with help of dam corupt politicians thn they r damm wrong , they get a long boot on their backs vry soon , be rest asured!
 
If supreme court only thinks that its court which can run the dam country, they r wrong, which they think they r right now!
agree but they are only trying to regain their lost power conferred to them by the constitution.
Anything which can show their power they kept taking by sumo-moto anything which is not in their intersts they don't care?
That is your opinion so what can I say
They can tell a C-minster of baluchistan that ur govt is finished & you may go now, they can adive to take FC out of bluchistan?
Wow ,
They haven't said that the government is finished. Only thing they have said so far is the government's principle job is to protect the civil rights of it's people and the Balochistan government has failed to do that so far, so at what authority are they running the government if they cannot protect it's people. There has been 71 hearing by the Supreme Court on Balochistan case and there were hardly any representation by the provincial government, they didn't take the SC very seriously so the SC had to question them about the authority that is allowing them to run the government?
They can advise to send rangers back to borders & give thiesalries to police which is highly politisized in karachi !
Wow
But they have also highlighted various other issues inter-linked with Karachi killings. They were not in opinion of keeping the FC in Karachi because the FC was sent in Karachi in 1995 and after 17 years, the circumstances in Karachi has only worsen. So the SC is asking the logic of keeping FC in the cities for so long where the prime job to handle such cases is of police. There were riots in London couple of months ago but they didn't bring the army in London, they let the police handle with that situation and if they are not able to do it, they need more officers or trained staff... that does not mean you bring the FC to handle such situations where the nature of their training is different to police training.

They also highlighted that about 40% of the police recruitments were done on political basis and that the police should be empowered to take independent decisions, they are the ones who highlighted about 3500 criminals roaming around the streets of Karachi, they are the ones who highlighted that 35 criminals with murder charges were released on parol which is unconstitutional and directed the authorities to re-arrest them immediately and ordered the lower courts to not issue bail for such criminals. If the government is failing to do her duties then somebody has to do it?
Tht means simple they SC is virtualy is runing a govt by its own?
No, but they have stopped becoming the tissue paper of every powerful organisation of this country and regaining their strength already defined in the constitution of Pakistan.
Why don't these QanoonI thugs tell the trial courts or the junior courts to nt let's terroists getting bails, why couldn't they tell the politicians what kind of amendments they should do to bring fast & accurate justice to the poors of pakistan?
The CJ has asserted many times to stricken the law for anti terrorist courts, the judges in the Karachi case were furious after pointing out that about 3500 criminals were set free due to lack of evidence. It is parliament's job to pass such resolutions and amend the constitution to tighten the grip on the terrorists. The courts can only speak about it but cannot introduce such laws to imprison anybody by their own will.
No they r the traitors who r working on a decided script to defame Pakarmy , to the level where it can say to the politicians to sell their nucks!
and so were the army generals who violated the constitution over and over again? and so is every major political party in Pakistan?
Well if they think. They can do this with help of dam corupt politicians thn they r damm wrong , they get a long boot on their backs vry soon , be rest asured!
not gonnai happen anytime soon. General Kayani has shown a lot of maturity in his career and I don't think he is going to do such a stupid thing anytime soon. He had multiple opportunities to overthrow the government and when the entire public would have welcomed him but he didn't interfere in democratic process and I see no reason he will do that in future.
 
Both of them are wrong. Both must not make public statements.
 
Kayani is not above the law and nor should he possess such power. He should obey the order under Chief Justice as he is a 'Chief Justice'. The cases should be put on him as there is an issue of missing persons in Balochistan. I really don't know exactly for what other reasons is kayani going after him. It maybe that he also views former Generals Durrani, Gul, Musharraf, and Baig being tried on and that could be something he views as a potential threat. Anyways, IMO, all these top generals should be punished. The supreme court of Pakistan should acts similar to somewhat Turkey did to their Generals.
 
Kayani is not above the law and nor should he possess such power. He should obey the order under Chief Justice as he is a 'Chief Justice'. The cases should be put on him as there is an issue of missing persons in Balochistan. I really don't know exactly for what other reasons is kayani going after him. It maybe that he also views former Generals Durrani, Gul, Musharraf, and Baig being tried on and that could be something he views as a potential threat. Anyways, IMO, all these top generals should be punished. The supreme court of Pakistan should acts similar to somewhat Turkey did to their Generals.

The Supreme Court is very aware of the red lines that it is not permitted to cross.
 
Koi bhi kuch nahi, wattan key liye lakin aik qatal key qaddi ko saza bhi deynaa zarori hai!
Hum ko peacefull pakistan chahiye aggar peacefull pakistan ho jaye tu saab thek kar lengey, laakin peace insaaf see atta hai , Cj key drama se nahi joo arsalan betey ko aiyashi karney dey aur dhashat gardoon ko chor dyen!!!!!!

Wah re peace ke pujari, talking about peaceful Pakistan in the same breath you advocated the assassination of the honorable Chief Justice of Pakistan.

Pakistan main law se law breakers ko hi takleef ho sakti hai.
 
Reply to Asim:

^^ This is why people of Pakistan do not believe in justice.. hence my point.

You can't punish a President because he has immunity (by law) so he is free to do all the evil as long he is president!
And Imagine complete disregard of evidence.. forensic or documentary, at least it is technically more qualitative than sumoto justice.
While evidence on media against CJ is presented by Faisal Reza Abidi, stated before by other members.

Accept it proving iftikhar ch. as corrupt will shake the foundations of PTI, accept it, that it was damned long march which brought Pakistan to its knees and IK shares the blame most.

You are willing to accept Zardari as President with all his shortcomings and technical flaws, but than calling the imposition of emergency by previous president, as unconstitutional is not justice either.

Sir, this LAW has not been set up by Chief Justice of Pakistan - It was set up by legislators, parliamentarians. Usually in foreign countries too commander in chief has immunity and powers to grant clemency, since he has to make tough decisions like order someone's torture, go to war, make deals with shitty people for the greater good. If a President makes bad calls, he can be impeached by the Parliament.

The problem with Pakistan has been that it got the worst citizen elevated to the Presidency, then he is also master of the ruling party. So he can't even be impeached. Otherwise this set up was working. The expectation is that there will remain some modicum of goodness within the people to keep this set up going.

PTI is shaking foundations of the corrupt and law breakers - its primary slogan is of Justice. Without a strong, honest and capable law arbitrator there can be no solution to Pakistan's problem, be it economy, be it religion, be it terrorism, be it foreign policy. Pakistan's problem is that yahan pe kisi ko insaaf nahi milta, he has to make his insaaf on his own. This concept of doing things on your own is wrong - this is how terrorists are made. People should have faith in the law n order system, which requires going up against all civilian and military law breakers, all religious law breakers.
 
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