Question for Indian Seculars: ... how are you going to tackle this Hindu Extremist madness?

[veg]

It's not growing fast enough.We atheists need to get organized in India.I have personally converted 100 people to atheism or at least created doubts in there minds about God or religion.

Thanks bro. You brought some hope of light for me.
I think India will get rid of extremism within decade, while we need perhaps century more to get rid of this extremism.

Very true. Zihadis used to think that things were going as per their plan but they suddenly found that Hindus are changing rapidly and they may not make India an another Zihadistan. So they are rattled and what frustration you see is result of that.

No objection upon blocking the way of Jihadies and extremist Muslims. But make sure it does not lead to Hindu Extremism which kills the beautiful Secular Values of India and we hear the ugly stories of people being killed by mobs and not only extremist Muslims, but also normal peace living Muslims are also targeted, along with other minorities too.

Pakistan was build on the name of Religion, So expect religious things in Pakistan. same as Israel.

Then why to criticize India if it goes religious too and impose religious laws, prohibiting Muslims to preach Hindus and to kill any one who leaves Hinduism?

Also for Israel to become pure religious and kicking out all Muslims from their religious sacred sites as Muslims kicked out all the Jews and non Muslims from their sacred land.

don't be so rude on religions and God, it is the Religion which kept Humanity alive till yet..

Not True.

It is humanity which kept humanity alive.

Buddah's and Confucius's teachings are atheist in nature while they didn't claim any angel brought them those teachings from any god, but they claimed they learned all that humanity by using human thinking.

Also modern day democracy and human rights and women rights and even animals rights were the result of human own thinking and no religion was involved in it.

No religion was ever able to end the slavery. But only the atheist human forced succeeded in doing it. Firstly it was Buddah whose teachings abolished slave Bazars in whole India, and then secular (non religious) West of 19th Century, which again did it in name of humanity and not in name of any god.

 

[New World]

Then why to criticize India if it goes religious too and impose religious laws, prohibiting Muslims to preach Hindus and to kill any one who leaves Hinduism?

Also for Israel to become pure religious and kicking out all Muslims from their religious sacred sites as Muslims kicked out all the Jews and non Muslims from their sacred land.

1st. you start this nonsense thread.

2nds india is not made on religious lines..

3rd. minorities in india made about 1/3 of total population.

 

[veg]

1st. you start this nonsense thread.

How is it a nonsense?
Secularism in India is the most important Issue for peace in this area. Just ask any Muslim in India. Even the Mullahs of far right Deoband are crying for Secularism in India.

Only people in this thread, who were telling that this topic of Indian Secularism is nonsense, were extreme right far Hindus. Now you (Muslim/Extreme Muslim?) joining them too.

2nds india is not made on religious lines..

There is no "Time Limit" to when comes the religious madness.
Pakistan was created in name of that madness. Now Hindus feel that Time has come to change India to a Hindu Religious state.
It is a reaction of religious Muslim Pakistan which drives Hindus towards religious Hindu India.

I always see this argument from Muslims that in Islamic state no Muslim can leave Islam and no Non Muslim is allowed to preach while Pakistan is born in name of Islam. But Muslims in the West should have full freedom to preach while West is secular.

I just tell you that such arguments are against justice, and sooner or later we will see a huge reaction against it.

In present day world, we should get rid of all this kind of religious fanaticism and move towards a Secular System which guarantees equal human rights for all without any prejudice.

3rd. minorities in india made about 1/3 of total population.

And in name of religion they will make life miserable for these population and impose their customs forcefully like we in Pakistan impose Ramadan upon our minorities and usurp their right to preach and to live them under fear.

Pakistan is still not 100% religious like any Islamic Caliphate. While under Islamic Caliphate non Muslims will be killed and their women will be taken as slaves (like ISIS did with Yazidies), or Jizyah will be taken in order to humiliate them and make them 2nd class citizens.

 

[Indx-techs]

In Pakistan, we (the Seculars) have already lost the battle and there is no chance that Pakistani system is ever going to change from Religious to Secular one.

Utter nonsense, Pakistan seculars failed on the day Pakistan was created.
It has a religious identity and Principal that Kaffirs and Muslims can't live together.
On the day Pakistan becomes secular even constitionally, it'll cease to exist.

1) Secular Forces in India are much more stronger than Pakistan.

But they have important things to do like their jobs instead of shouting in roads and returning awards unlike pseudo seculars.

2) Educational System in India is also powerful, and I am sure the numbers of people leaving Religion (i.e. becoming Atheists) should also be very high. And at the end, these Atheists will also join the secular forces instead of right wing religious parties.

Have an interview of people and you'll know how many atheists are there in BJP instead of left wing parties.
Even Hindus have certain communities like Charvaks and Sankayans which are atheists since 100 of years. They don't worship gods, they laugh on rituals yet they are Hindus cuz their culture is identical.
We worship cow because Cattle's been our integral part of life in past. All our beverages and dishes had milk and cattles ploughed our fields.

3) India has a very big minorities population. 18% schedule caste, 14% Muslims and then Christians and Shikhs and others.

Ya conserved that, Pakistan also used to have equal percentage of ours in 1947, what happened now.

All these minorities are on the LEFT side standing with you instead of the Right Religious Parties.

Exclude Sikhs and Jains if you are competing with Right Wing, Exclude schedule Castes if you are making it vs Hindus, exclude Christians and every group except Muslims when comes to Uniform laws, exclude Shias for elimination of jihad.

When one riot happened in 14 years in Gujarat, Modi is declared "maut ka saudagar" and "butcher of Muslims" while when one riot happens in every 14-15 days in Bengal and poor Gorkhas are lynched and shooted, where is secular brigade dying?

How come that still the Secular Forces lost (and lost so badly) in India at the hands of Religious Parties?

Because this "secular brigade" made waviers in civil laws for special communities just (Muslims), they made job reservations and lower exam cut off rates, they encourage the violence by a certain group and blame other for it, cuz they knew that polarizing
Hindus over religion is way more difficult job than polarizing Muslims because Hindus may be slightly "more secular" when comes to these issues.

What are the main factors of defeat?

What could be done in order to tackle this problem?

It's really saddens me to see the situation in India. If Hindu extremism increases in India, then it only brings more Muslim extremism in Pakistan. I wished India would have been a role model in this region for Secularism.

They will be defeated again?
You know a thing called UCC (Uniform Civil Code) planning to be passed in India.

With the help of this bill, evil "Hindu Extremist right wingers" will be able to implement Uniform and legal way of marriages, deaths to general life free of religion.
No one can hurt other's right on name of religion while secular brigade is campaigning against it because it hurts "Islamic and Christian way of life".
What are those ways and laws, I don't have to count.


I'm repeating again, one sided secularism supporting jihad isn't going to maintain peace at all.

 

[SrNair]

In Pakistan, we (the Seculars) have already lost the battle and there is no chance that Pakistani system is ever going to change from Religious to Secular one. But:

1) Secular Forces in India are much more stronger than Pakistan.

2) Educational System in India is also powerful, and I am sure the numbers of people leaving Religion (i.e. becoming Atheists) should also be very high. And at the end, these Atheists will also join the secular forces instead of right wing religious parties.

3) India has a very big minorities population. 18% schedule caste, 14% Muslims and then Christians and Shikhs and others.
All these minorities are on the LEFT side standing with you instead of the Right Religious Parties.

How come that still the Secular Forces lost (and lost so badly) in India at the hands of Religious Parties?

What are the main factors of defeat?

What could be done in order to tackle this problem?

It's really saddens me to see the situation in India. If Hindu extremism increases in India, then it only brings more Muslim extremism in Pakistan. I wished India would have been a role model in this region for Secularism.

Secularism is always a value of India and will always be in future.


Instead of worrying about us you should try whether you can revive secularism in your nation

 

[veg]

Utter nonsense, Pakistan seculars failed on the day Pakistan was created.
It has a religious identity and Principal that Kaffirs and Muslims can't live together.

Yes, creation of Pakistan was a mistake and a failure of Secularism.

Yes, religious state says that kafirs and Muslims cannot live together and therefore secular forces condemn it. And if India goes towards Hinduvta, then similar mistake is going to be made as in case of Pakistan. There is no difference between Muslim Extremism and Hindu Extremism. They are two faces of same coin.

On the day Pakistan becomes secular even constitionally, it'll cease to exist.

Creation of Pakistan in name of religion was a mistake, but now Pakistan and Bangladesh are REALITIES. How to bring good for the people of this area? Only choice is to go Secular.

The ceasing of exist of Pakistan and Bangladesh is not needed, but ceasing of exist of these problems is needed. Just like Europe where several countries adopted Secularism and living peacefully with each other.

The aim of far right Hindus is total destruction of Pakistan, which only brings hatred and provided more fuel to the Muslim extremists.

But they have important things to do like their jobs instead of shouting in roads and returning awards unlike pseudo seculars.

Indian Seculars may provide you with better answers.

I could only tell you from my point of view (i.e. a Secular Pakistani) that I am proud of Secular Indians who protest against the Religious Extremism in India and fight for the human rights.

In Pakistan, we are also abused the same way by Muslim Extremists when we raise the voices for our minorities. We are also then called Desi Pseudo Seculars, and the agents of India/Israel etc.

Have an interview of people and you'll know how many atheists are there in BJP instead of left wing parties.

Well, as far as I have met the Indian Atheists on the net, I see them totally against the Extremist Hinduism and BJP.

Even here at this forum, in this thread, you could see that Indian Atheists and Seculars does not like Hindu Extremism and want to get rid of it. This is 100% understandable.

Even Hindus have certain communities like Charvaks and Sankayans which are atheists since 100 of years. They don't worship gods, they laugh on rituals yet they are Hindus cuz their culture is identical.

I have no idea about Charvaks and Sankayans. Do they favour BJP and it's extreme religious policies?

Nevertheless, I do have little idea about Modern Ahteism in India, and if I am not wrong than they do rebel against religion.

We worship cow because Cattle's been our integral part of life in past. All our beverages and dishes had milk and cattles ploughed our fields.

I have absolutely no problem with it. Free people have free choices. I am only against imposing your ideas with Force upon the others.

Ya conserved that, Pakistan also used to have equal percentage of ours in 1947, what happened now.

Brother, why do you want to become like Pakistan?
This is very important issue that you have to understand. Extremist Hindu activities will bring India to only become like Pakistan.

Exclude Sikhs and Jains if you are competing with Right Wing, Exclude schedule Castes if you are making it vs Hindus, exclude Christians and every group except Muslims when comes to Uniform laws, exclude Shias for elimination of jihad.

I am not competing it with Sunnies/Muslims/Jihadies.

I am only talking about SECULARISM.

If Indian minorities have to choose between Hindu Extremism and Secularism, then I am 100% sure that they will choose Secularism. There may be some of them supporting BJP politically, but from the core of their hearts they will never be a supporter of any religious extremism, even if it is from BJP.

When one riot happened in 14 years in Gujarat, Modi is declared "maut ka saudagar" and "butcher of Muslims" while when one riot happens in every 14-15 days in Bengal and poor Gorkhas are lynched and shooted, where is secular brigade dying?

I don't have enough idea about Bengal Issue, but if Modi played a role in killings and committed a crime, then indeed he must be labelled as "maut ka saudagar".

There is no doubt in my mind that BJP's and Modi's policies have given full chance to Hindu extremists to start the Mob Justice. BJP and Modi are political criminals in my eyes.
It is not only my opinion, but my western secular friends also have the same opinion about BJP/Modi.
At moment BJP's supporters are not realising it that not only the Muslims, but the whole secular world condemns such Hindu extremist activities of BJP.

Because this "secular brigade" made waviers in civil laws for special communities just (Muslims), they made job reservations and lower exam cut off rates, they encourage the violence by a certain group and blame other for it, cuz they knew that polarizing

No one is prefect. It may be that the seculars in India are not organised. It may be that the Secular Parties are corrupt in India (just like Pakistan).

But the path towards progress goes through basic human rights and true secular values, and not through the Muslim Hatred driven Policies as have been played by BJP.

They will be defeated again?

May be. But surely time will change. The religious and muslim hatred based policies will not last longer.
It seems Secular Indian members of this forum are also of this opinion and it will take a decade of two, but after that People of India will rise for Secularism and against the religion based policies.

Secularism is always a value of India and will always be in future.
Instead of worrying about us you should try whether you can revive secularism in your nation

Yes, despite being very weak and being targeted badly by the religious elements, we do speak for secularism in Pakistan.

It would have been very very useful for us if India would have become a Light of Secularism in the region.

Instead of this, BJP turned India into some type of Hinduvta religious state (at least this is the perception in Pakistan and also in the world). And Pakistani Muslim elements are taking full advantage of this and spreading more hatred. So, our Pakistani secular movement becomes more weaker due to the present muslim hatred policies of BJP.

 

[SrNair]

Yes, creation of Pakistan was a mistake and a failure of Secularism.

Yes, religious state says that kafirs and Muslims cannot live together and therefore secular forces condemn it. And if India goes towards Hinduvta, then similar mistake is going to be made as in case of Pakistan. There is no difference between Muslim Extremism and Hindu Extremism. They are two faces of same coin.



Creation of Pakistan in name of religion was a mistake, but now Pakistan and Bangladesh are REALITIES. How to bring good for the people of this area? Only choice is to go Secular.

The ceasing of exist of Pakistan and Bangladesh is not needed, but ceasing of exist of these problems is needed. Just like Europe where several countries adopted Secularism and living peacefully with each other.

The aim of far right Hindus is total destruction of Pakistan, which only brings hatred and provided more fuel to the Muslim extremists.




Indian Seculars may provide you with better answers.

I could only tell you from my point of view (i.e. a Secular Pakistani) that I am proud of Secular Indians who protest against the Religious Extremism in India and fight for the human rights.

In Pakistan, we are also abused the same way by Muslim Extremists when we raise the voices for our minorities. We are also then called Desi Pseudo Seculars, and the agents of India/Israel etc.



Well, as far as I have met the Indian Atheists on the net, I see them totally against the Extremist Hinduism and BJP.

Even here at this forum, in this thread, you could see that Indian Atheists and Seculars does not like Hindu Extremism and want to get rid of it. This is 100% understandable.



I have no idea about Charvaks and Sankayans. Do they favour BJP and it's extreme religious policies?

Nevertheless, I do have little idea about Modern Ahteism in India, and if I am not wrong than they do rebel against religion.



I have absolutely no problem with it. Free people have free choices. I am only against imposing your ideas with Force upon the others.



Brother, why do you want to become like Pakistan?
This is very important issue that you have to understand. Extremist Hindu activities will bring India to only become like Pakistan.




I am not competing it with Sunnies/Muslims/Jihadies.

I am only talking about SECULARISM.

If Indian minorities have to choose between Hindu Extremism and Secularism, then I am 100% sure that they will choose Secularism. There may be some of them supporting BJP politically, but from the core of their hearts they will never be a supporter of any religious extremism, even if it is from BJP.




I don't have enough idea about Bengal Issue, but if Modi played a role in killings and committed a crime, then indeed he must be labelled as "maut ka saudagar".

There is no doubt in my mind that BJP's and Modi's policies have given full chance to Hindu extremists to start the Mob Justice. BJP and Modi are political criminals in my eyes.
It is not only my opinion, but my western secular friends also have the same opinion about BJP/Modi.
At moment BJP's supporters are not realising it that not only the Muslims, but the whole secular world condemns such Hindu extremist activities of BJP.




No one is prefect. It may be that the seculars in India are not organised. It may be that the Secular Parties are corrupt in India (just like Pakistan).

But the path towards progress goes through basic human rights and true secular values, and not through the Muslim Hatred driven Policies as have been played by BJP.


May be. But surely time will change. The religious and muslim hatred based policies will not last longer.
It seems Secular Indian members of this forum are also of this opinion and it will take a decade of two, but after that People of India will rise for Secularism and against the religion based policies.



Yes, despite being very weak and being targeted badly by the religious elements, we do speak for secularism in Pakistan.

It would have been very very useful for us if India would have become a Light of Secularism in the region.

Instead of this, BJP turned India into some type of Hinduvta religious state (at least this is the perception in Pakistan and also in the world). And Pakistani Muslim elements are taking full advantage of this and spreading more hatred. So, our Pakistani secular movement becomes more weaker due to the present muslim hatred policies of BJP.

Dude .
Do we need to actually cares about the perception of the World or Pakistan?
We are one that elected BJP and we knows how to handle the stuffs in India .

AFAIK , according to your own countrymens in this PDF ,Pakistan dont have anytype of relation with India and we also chose to think like that even if you dont.
So how the policies and internal matters of India affects Pakistan?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

In Pakistan, we (the Seculars) have already lost the battle and there is no chance that Pakistani system is ever going to change from Religious to Secular one. But:

1) Secular Forces in India are much more stronger than Pakistan.

2) Educational System in India is also powerful, and I am sure the numbers of people leaving Religion (i.e. becoming Atheists) should also be very high. And at the end, these Atheists will also join the secular forces instead of right wing religious parties.

3) India has a very big minorities population. 18% schedule caste, 14% Muslims and then Christians and Shikhs and others.
All these minorities are on the LEFT side standing with you instead of the Right Religious Parties.

How come that still the Secular Forces lost (and lost so badly) in India at the hands of Religious Parties?

What are the main factors of defeat?

What could be done in order to tackle this problem?

It's really saddens me to see the situation in India. If Hindu extremism increases in India, then it only brings more Muslim extremism in Pakistan. I wished India would have been a role model in this region for Secularism.

Indian 'secular's are irrelevant once they are cut off from public narrative. They have little to no impact on the ground.

They wrote award winning books before. They will do that in the future too. That's all.

There is no difference between Muslim Extremism and Hindu Extremism. They are two faces of same coin.

Umm ,no. An Islamic state has specific unalterable guidelines on how to treat non Muslims. The viewpoints may differ slightly but equality is not on the cards.
A Dharmic or Hindu state does not have any such guidelines - the question is open ended. Nepal was a Hindu state just a few years back, there were no riots, mass killing in the name of religion. Dharma does not call for the restriction of 'others'. There are theological different between Oriental and Occidental faiths.

 

[Indx-techs]

There is no difference between Muslim Extremism and Hindu Extremism. They are two faces of same coin.

I can't see Hindu extremists hijacking planes, taking hostages, beheading people or running over trucks over people around the world at the scale other group does.

One thing for sure, they protest at roads and take revenge when they get terrorists in their hands.
So are other countries where they are declared Christian or Jew terrorists.

Agree or not, Muslims are religiously most sensitive people than others on planet, specially Sunni and Salafi.

So called "Hindu extermism" is nothing but face saving excuse by Imams driven by AJ & BBC. Sooner Pakistanis realize, better for them.

Creation of Pakistan in name of religion was a mistake, but now Pakistan and Bangladesh are REALITIES. How to bring good for the people of this area? Only choice is to go Secular.

Whom are you teaching that? Yah, few things left, like implementing UCC,


All communities will have to lose government benifit for having third child, they'll have only one wife and only legal way of marriage & divorce.
Pakistan and Bangladesh are out of question, even being 50%.

The ceasing of exist of Pakistan and Bangladesh is not needed, but ceasing of exist of these problems is needed.

Problems will continue to exist as long as masses of same religion exist in one country running on religious law.

Just like Europe where several countries adopted Secularism and living peacefully with each other.

Do you know how Euros "secularized"? They drove out jews & Muslims out, the only way they lived peacefully (which they actually didn't before WW2) that was homogeneous society and liberalism ending religious after that.

Even today, you aren't aware what kind of venom spew against Muslims & Hindus. Why I know? Cuz, here in India we find missionaries.

The aim of far right Hindus is total destruction of Pakistan, which only brings hatred and provided more fuel to the Muslim extremists.

They are more bothered protection of Hindus inside the country and may be re unification of India.

Indian Seculars may provide you with better answers.

If you know I'm a secular defending common Indian Muslims many times on defense forum India and insulted many times but may be, I've more law info than you.

If you define Indian psuedo seculars as channels like NDTV who call militants as innocent teens and people candle marching after terror attack being extremists, I can't help you. Go and read articles of Burkha Dutt.

I could only tell you from my point of view (i.e. a Secular Pakistani) that I am proud of Secular Indians who protest against the Religious Extremism in India and fight for the human rights.

I will also feel proud of them even if they can "speak" against Gorkhas being killed in Bengal or for masscare of Hindus in Kerana.
Wait, Hindus can't polarised, so support Muslims for vote.

In Pakistan, we are also abused the same way by Muslim Extremists when we raise the voices for our minorities. We are also then called Desi Pseudo Seculars, and the agents of India/Israel etc.

Case there and here is totally different.

1. Your law and order isn't secular & in favour of Sharia.
Nor is ours, we have minority cards which give them wavier.

2. Your extremists do hijack plane, bomb, mass shooting, mass running over,
Our "extremists" only speak that a specifuc community was responsible for it.

Well, as far as I have met the Indian Atheists on the net, I see them totally against the Extremist Hinduism and BJP.

Which? Give me profile link.
There are no atheists in Indian left wing, not even in Indian Communist Parties.

Atheists are either populists or pro BJP.

Even here at this forum, in this thread, you could see that Indian Atheists and Seculars does not like Hindu Extremism and want to get rid of it. This is 100% understandable.

So, you are calling atheists, "Hindu extremists" because they candle marched?

I have no idea about Charvaks and Sankayans. Do they favour BJP and it's extreme religious policies?

We will know on the day when BJP brings such policies.
Right now, BJP is being declared extremist for bringing Uniform Civil code for all religious groups.

Nevertheless, I do have little idea about Modern Ahteism in India, and if I am not wrong than they do rebel against religion.

Ya, they don't belive in god, don't go to temples campaign against babas but if you think they gonna call burning of Indian Flag or those azadi chants as freedom of voice, they become Hindu extremists.
Otherwise, they are college students or mid aged private employees.

I have absolutely no problem with it. Free people have free choices. I am only against imposing your ideas with Force upon the others.

Off course, cow slaughter ban will become irrevaent as long as unplanned families and polygamy are gone.
But if someone again antagonizes people by cutting cattles in mid bazaar...

Now lynchings, half of culprits are opposition members.

Brother, why do you want to become like Pakistan?
This is very important issue that you have to understand. Extremist Hindu activities will bring India to only become like Pakistan.

Extreme policy this extreme policy that?

Which extreme policy is there by BJP? First tell me.

I don't have enough idea about Bengal Issue, but if Modi played a role in killings and committed a crime, then indeed he must be labelled as "maut ka saudagar".

That's your problem, you guys have read only favourable side of page to make narrative against Modi.

1.2 billion weren't idiot to elect him.

There is no doubt in my mind that BJP's and Modi's policies have given full chance to Hindu extremists to start the Mob Justice. BJP and Modi are political criminals in my eyes.

Government called army in no time.
And Kerana, Kashmir, Bengal, Pakistanis even don't know what's mob justicen

It is not only my opinion, but my western secular friends also have the same opinion about BJP/Modi.

British or American Republican party?
If you will find 10 against Modi from west, I will find 50 praisers of Modi.

Also ask them what they think about you guys? Is a "Christian extremist" drama is being run there too.

At moment BJP's supporters are not realising it that not only the Muslims, but the whole secular world condemns such Hindu extremist activities of BJP.

Q1. Which secular organizations do condemn BJP? I think they are fine.
Q2. Which Hindu extermist activities?

No one is prefect. It may be that the seculars in India are not organised. It may be that the Secular Parties are corrupt in India (just like Pakistan).

Or probably they are not secular but cooking their food on disputes of people.

But the path towards progress goes through basic human rights and true secular values, and not through the Muslim Hatred driven Policies as have been played by BJP.

Which? Like calling "Vande Mataram" (I bow to mother India) is unislamic because they won't support country but only allah.
Tomorrow, they will drive truck on me on order of a cheap terrorist from ISIS.

May be. But surely time will change. The religious and muslim hatred based policies will not last longer.
It seems Secular Indian members of this forum are also of this opinion and it will take a decade of two, but after that People of India will rise for Secularism and against the religion based policies.

Which religious policy?

Instead of this, BJP turned India into some type of Hinduvta religious state (at least this is the perception in Pakistan and also in the world). And Pakistani Muslim elements are taking full advantage of this and spreading more hatred. So, our Pakistani secular movement becomes more weaker due to the present muslim hatred policies of BJP.

Find me the article of a certified religious scholar which doesn't work for BBC or Al Jazeera who can justify that mistake is from Modi's side even without putting a single religion based law.

Why only one group everywhere? I don't find such big riots with other coommunities. Why they stick to religious personal law. If everyone else can compromise religious way or quotes why they can't?

 

[veg]

Dude .
Do we need to actually cares about the perception of the World or Pakistan?

Apparently yes.
You are not in isolation and this world is becoming one platform.

AFAIK , according to your own countrymens in this PDF ,Pakistan dont have anytype of relation with India and we also chose to think like that even if you dont.
So how the policies and internal matters of India affects Pakistan?

Apparently you and PDF members are on mistake.
Internal Policies of Hindu Extremism is going to effect the public opinion in Pakistan and also in the whole world.

 

[Khan_patriot]

In Pakistan, we (the Seculars) have already lost the battle and there is no chance that Pakistani system is ever going to change from Religious to Secular one. But:

1) Secular Forces in India are much more stronger than Pakistan.

2) Educational System in India is also powerful, and I am sure the numbers of people leaving Religion (i.e. becoming Atheists) should also be very high. And at the end, these Atheists will also join the secular forces instead of right wing religious parties.

3) India has a very big minorities population. 18% schedule caste, 14% Muslims and then Christians and Shikhs and others.
All these minorities are on the LEFT side standing with you instead of the Right Religious Parties.

How come that still the Secular Forces lost (and lost so badly) in India at the hands of Religious Parties?

What are the main factors of defeat?

What could be done in order to tackle this problem?

It's really saddens me to see the situation in India. If Hindu extremism increases in India, then it only brings more Muslim extremism in Pakistan. I wished India would have been a role model in this region for Secularism.

If you really think that india has a fair chance of being secular in word and spirit anytime soon, you are gravely mistaken. Modhi has probably reignited saffron politics in India. They are probably just as bad if not worse when it come to intolerance.

 

[veg]

Indian 'secular's are irrelevant once they are cut off from public narrative. They have little to no impact on the ground.

They wrote award winning books before. They will do that in the future too. That's all.

May be.
But times will change.
Already Indian society has become polarized due to the extrmist policies of BJP.
Not only Indian Secular Forces are worried about BJP extremist policies, but whole world is starting to react against it sooner or later.

Umm ,no. An Islamic state has specific unalterable guidelines on how to treat non Muslims. The viewpoints may differ slightly but equality is not on the cards.
A Dharmic or Hindu state does not have any such guidelines - the question is open ended. Nepal was a Hindu state just a few years back, there were no riots, mass killing in the name of religion. Dharma does not call for the restriction of 'others'. There are theological different between Oriental and Occidental faiths.

All these are deceptions. Muslims are also very good in it when they say that Islamic Sharia gives equal rights to non muslims.

But at same the same time we see Muslims oppressing in minorities in name of "Respect of Ramadhan/Prophet" and Hindus oppressing the minorities in name of "Respect of Cow".

Both of these Muslim Hind extremists imposing barbaric penalties of several years of imprisonment and also going towards the mod justice where people are killed on the spot. That is why I say that all these religious extremists are the faces of same coin.

 

[Indx-techs]

Internal Policies of Hindu Extremism is going to effect the public opinion in Pakistan and also in the whole world.

LOL, unable to indicate about that extremist policy since start of thread.

I asked but you can't because this thread is just made for calling Modi extremist because Pakistanis want to call him extremist and anti Muslim even after he pulverized all other Muslim vote bidders in UP.
You can't cite one because BJP doesn't have any such so called extremist policy yet☺

If you really think that india has a fair chance of being secular in word and spirit anytime soon, you are gravely mistaken. Modhi has probably reignited saffron politics in India. They are probably just as bad if not worse when it come to intolerance.

Second LOL, instead of hitting heads on this thread for Modi bashing, people must be reading Indian constitution, manifesto and report card of Modi and at last in progress of Global Democratic Index after implementation UCC. Everything will be clear.

Intolerance? Ya, one community burning others' houses is freedom of speech while if other reacts, is intolerance.

 

[The_Showstopper]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=241932376315330

 

[SrNair]

Apparently yes.
You are not in isolation and this world is becoming one platform.



Apparently you and PDF members are on mistake.
Internal Policies of Hindu Extremism is going to effect the public opinion in Pakistan and also in the whole world.

So ?
We didnt give any value to words to outsiders .
Until now except Pakistan no others even cares about it .


Lol
World has better thing to do and they dont have any time for wasting by looking in to some others matters .
About Pakistan , well that is different case .Dont have anything to do for their own nation yet looks in to some others matters .A case of identity crisis.

So all we can say just keep calm and mind your own business .You can do a lots of things in your nation.Do it.