Unfortunately, your arguments are void of justice. Would you recognise Hindu Extremism only then when they start hijacking planes or running trucks?
They follow what rest of the people do, far away from gunfighting.
Why are you unable to see that Hindu Extremists already killing people in name of Respect of Cow?
Explained earlier, half of them are opposition members, I can give you photos & ID's of some too. For rest, everyone is jailed but again, declaring it terrorism to justify other one isn't fair.
It is sad that you hiding Hiduvta Extremism by declaring innocent people killed by mobs by declaring these innocents as Terrorists.
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That's something new I heard. People killed by mob declared terrorists? May be I know what happened.
Yes, I totally agree with it.
But I don't agree with hiding the Hindu Extremism in name of Muslim/Salafi extremism.
We don't need to hide it either cuz such lynchings aren't as frequent as yours in our community.
And if you want to include alk Human Right violation or barbarian way of punishment, let's go to China first. All means all.
Little is going to be changed with UCC.
UCC will detach Younger generations from rituals of previous one.
The roits and lynching in India have never been due to UCC, but it is due to the religious laws of Respecting Cows and respecting ramadhan etc. It is due to the caste system in India which brings hatred. It is due to the unofficial marginalization of minorities.
It's usually when a guy of one community kills the guy of other one and mostly when politicians centralize vote and give tempting speeches? Ever heard Assaudin Owaisi? Manish Tiwari?
Very true.
That is why I support the secularism.
I put the Cow Respecting laws totally under the Religious fanaticism.
Keep all personal laws, job kotas abd cut off rates same for all people, I will be the first person in campaign against cow slaughter.
I'm not undermining but antagonizing is over bro.
They make slaughter video on whatsapp and send everywhere, "ukaadhle Modi kya ukhaadlega".
Though, Modi won't do anything here, people will beat them badly if they are caught but tell me, was doing this needed?
I get plenty of such messages but I never pass them, is that the guarantee that others won't?
Problems will also continue when BJP keeps on unofficially marginalize the minorities.
Though, I know that this entire thread will run now on cow slaughter ban & lynchings vs everything which is nothing on scale of what happens on your side, which unofficial or official law is there to marginalize minorities?
It will continue when government of Yogi tries to keep things like Romeo Squads.
Against it, it's against freedom of youth.
It will continue till Hindu Religious society does not reform itself completely and abandon the caste system.
Constitutionally banned and in younger generations it's non existent except some far away villages. Again, if fed by BBC, spend a day in India to know about how effective caste system really is.
Very little to nothing has been done by BJP to abolish caste system from the minds of religious Hindus.
Inverse, after constitutionally banning the any kind of discrimination, government's job is to make people forget it, INC created Kotas for people driving it on.
I don't think it was further pulled.
Muslims were not present in the West before WW2. I wonder how you come up with this conclusion.
Which idiot told you that?
They even ruled southern western Europe earlier centuries of modern age, later when rulings were driven out, Muslim population was cleaned eventually.
Jews were also in small minority and they were no hindrance towards Secularism.
Again wrong, they made as significant share of population as Indian minorities make today and how were they treated by Christians as murderers of Jesus in torcher chambers, isn't hidden from world.
In my opinion, Europe came to Secularism when Majority of Christians left the church, became liberals and atheists and religion stopped playing any role in their political life.
They became what they are today after liberalization of economy post WW2. Religious fanatism went disappeared eventually.
If you have gone Sicily 50 year before from now and said something against Jesus, I doubt if you would have been standing here. Christian Pop is one of most powerful leaders for a good reasob.
BJP is far away from this, whose politics revolves basically on communal issues. It gets popularity by inciting hate in using issues like Babari mosques etc.
Or you only watch BBC and hear about them?
Look at the rate of improvement of living conditions, per capita incomes, poverty ratios, literacy or digital literacy etc. where BJP is or states against national average where BJP has ruled for even 20 years.
Bengal vs Gujarat? Hm
I am aware of Burkha Dutt and she is good and rightfully talks about the human rights.
But it seems the Hindu Extremists try to hide the excessive use of state power and state crimes behind the name of terrorism.
It's useless to argue with you. Talking about human rights of a militant and not the people killed by him.
Even
misreported that terrorists at Uri were not carrying guns (while we have video proofs)?
I am totally against Sharia laws.
Hindu religion got centuries to got rid of caste system, but it failed.
Again for scale,
Kshatriyas and Brahmins (regardless of what they are sweepers) or Dalits are rich officers to Ministers because Caste system isn't practical at least in integrated as Sharia law but just like pro white in west, few maddgos are there in every society.
Feeling good by handpicking a piece and declaring it unbiased.
I know you will continue arguing so let me give you a tip.
Get the statistics about all caste related discrimination cases in India, compare them with population and then, do the same with Black-white discrimination or racial/color discrimination in other countries.
I see it only as hiding the hindu extremism of lynching and unofficially marginalizing the minorities and making their life full of fears.
Again at scale, you claim that we make their life fearful, we see that whose life was made hell in Kashmir and Kerana.
They openly threatened with guns, natives to leave the place or them being murdered or daughters be raped.
The issue if not of less or more, but issue is this that indeed the Hinduvta extremism exists and you are trying to hide it and protect it in one way or the other.
Fact is that every community has some roar but you are ignoring it's size and using it as a shield to justify a much bigger problem.
I don't agree with you.
There are people like Burkha Dutt and Arundhatti Roy. It is a surprise that you discredit them for being secular or atheists. There is TV channel like NDTV, but again you discredit them for being Secular or atheist.
I told earlier about their misreporting? Didn't I? Awe leave alone India,
You saw NDTV's disgusting reporting when truck was run over on innocent French?
And since when
Burkha Dutt and Arundhati Roy become atheist?
Adding, how are they secular? Why aren't they reporting about what happened in Bengal? Burkha is herself a Bengali if you know.
There is Aamir Khan, who is secular but BJP has problems with him.
Which? The intolerance statement, already resolved otherwise Aamir knew how good life he could have been in tolerant Muslim or Christian countries?
Same is with Salman Khan and Sharuk Khan and many other secular artists.
There is Javed Akhtar who is secular and atheist but BJP has problems with him.
They are Muslims, not atheists otherwise show me their declaration that they are atheists.
Just read the comments in this thread.
Otherwise go to the Facebook groups of Indian Atheists who badly criticize the Hinduvta policies of BJP an Yogi.
Anybody criticizing BJP become atheist?
Ask them their religion and you will know.
Otherwise Talibani leader challenging Modi is also atheist and secular because he challenged "Hindutva Party".
BJP is not called communal for UCC, but for playing minority hatred card in the politics, using issues like Babari Mosque for it's vote bank, unofficially marginalizing the minorities, introducing the draconian laws of cow respect, unofficially encouraging the lynching. Due to these policies, the incidents of lynching during BJP era are unprecedented in the Indian history.
Story is just a bit different when parties like SP, BSP and INC played minority cards with waviers to gain votes.
BJP just inversely played as hope for majority, so won in 90s.
Once again you are downplaying the fanaticism involved in cow respecting laws and lynching on it's bases.
Yes, I am because it's nothing against assassinations and blasts happened to us.
Not justifying lynching but Pakistanis urging India to be secular is like pot calling the cattle black.
Polygammy or Talaq issues has nothing to do with the riots or lynching in India.
Let us ban them, see how many burning vehicles on roads. It has happened before.
Family planning issue was used as politics by BJP for inciting hatred in order to get the vote bank.
Once again you want to downplay this issue. But you are unable to see either BJP or religious fanatics from opposition, but lynching is unprecedented during BJP era due to it's policies of unofficial support for the hatred politics.
Unofficial support? Which was latest trouble? Oh, farmers loan issue in UP? Ya.
Wait, I will send you a video where congress MP is shouting and asking people to burn the cities and crush the vehicles,
Other one, asking Muslims to "conquer" India
It's called hatred politics and nikammapan of not letting new government work after doing nothing for 70 years.
What's marginalising minorities?
China, bans Muslim baby names, Dresses, daily readings and rituals
Won't you call it hatred against Muslims?
World is not blind. Already humanists all over the world has started criticizing this fanaticism.
Ya, besides those bunch whose names we never heard, declare rest all as inhumane.
Your argument is illogical here. 1.2 billion is whole population of India and for sure opposition and almost all minorities of India were against Modi and didn't elect him. Please correct your figures.
Modi got 3/4th support of people as PM, funny thing is that rest 25% Indians didn't vote in 2014.
Secondly, there are over 2 Billion people who choose Islam as their religion. You look at them as idiots, but when it comes to Modi, then for you "numbers" become the standard of righteousness. Strange standards.
Me calling them idiots?
It's you asked us to not be like Pakistan and jihadis. Go through your previous post.
It is useless when first BJP plays hatred politics and ignite fire, and then say it called Army to play fire-man.
Many times army didn't came and number of innocents were killed.
Please don't try to hide this crime of mobe justice in India behind the crimes of Pakistanies or Kashmir.
Or probably they didn't ignite
That's why court removed charges,
That's why Gujarat again and again voted for them
Just think upon it why even these 10 are against Modi?
British or American Republican Parties will also turn.
At moment BBC is writing and criticizing BJP and Modi hate politics. In your blindness, instead of perceiving the reality, you start discrediting BBC, or NDTV as seculars.
Since when BBC and England became human rights organizations?
I earlier asked you to keep BBC out for a reason.
It's not about Modi but Indian people, history to even R&D organizations, army geopolitical scenario, weapons, BBC's articles about Certain countries in East which they don't like are same.
If besides Hinduism, you'll start searching for weapon tech, you will find loads of article criticizing India for having them.
Your policy is to simple, i.e. if any one criticize BJP, then discredit them and blame them to be the the terrorist sympathizers.
And your policy? Whoever criticizes BJP, you are declaring them as secular and atheist.
The people we call terrorists did not criticize BJP first but they lauded burning national flags as freedom of speech while IIT students waving them as jingoism.
Declaring terror attacks as false flag and protesters as Hindu nationalists.
Vande Mataram or ISIS is irrelevant during a debate with Seculars. I wonder why you bring them here other than to hide the crimes of hindu extremism behind the muslim extremism.
Now, how you are downplaying it?
Is it secularism?
If for a person, country comes after religion, I won't be calling them as seculars.
Every argument is "Hindu Extremism", means they will follow jihad instead of nation when we will need them.
A guy, who even hesitates in saying two words for honouring country, will he ever even think to do for country?
He is born for his religion, not for secularism or humanity.
You're defending undefendable.
You are trying to make Personal Laws of India as a National Crises. They are not, except for BJP's hate politics that Muslim families are having more children. This issue could be dealt with only brining compulsory family planning, without interfering in the other personal laws.
First decide you want people to be secular, you want them to be militants, uncontrolled drunk people or real civilians.
Because with self determined personal laws,
Rajputs could kill their daughters and widows,
Sikhs can carry swords anywhere
Teenagers can do skinny dipping in public in front of even children
Muslims can have as many wives they want,
People can breed like rats to have dozens of children etc. etc..
as par my knowledge this attack on pilgrims were orchestrated the state or establishment to remove or decrees sympathy for kashmiris from hindus.
New fashion after "good terrorist" drama, shameless people gonna start declaring it orchestrated.
Can you tell me the name of source which is responsibile for your severe knowledge?
just like the news that ajmal kasab is insisting to bring beef for him.
You must be having any sympathy for him in heart, off course as long as they don't harm Pakistan, they are your brothers.
