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Putin’s MiGs vs. US F-16s in Syria

No and you? F-35 has an edge in BVR fight, remember F-35 half generation ahead of SU and MIG and look F-35 radar first detect MIG and SU because of their excess infrared and RCS, where as those MIGS and SU can detect F-35 relatively close by because F-35 VLO design when this happen F-35 already fires its BVR to MIG and SU, so therefore game over for SU and MIG, understand kid why I am insisting that F-35 has an edge in BVR fight over to SU and MIG, if you still don't understand ask Mr.gambit thank you
Lets wait until F-35 first gets into full blown service and gets its first tour of duty. Only time will tell. F-35 is over hype. It will take another decade before the bugs get resolved.
 
kid remember F-35 is stealth plane not an ordinary plane SU and MIG comes closer to F-35 try to engage F-35 than it will game over for MIG and SU use the common-sense kiddo:hitwall::crazy::crazy:
Stupidity at it's extreme.

kid remember F-35 is stealth plane not an ordinary plane SU and MIG comes closer to F-35 try to engage F-35 than it will game over for MIG and SU use the common-sense kiddo:hitwall::crazy::crazy:
Puttar do din huyay hain computer use kiyay huay bongay aur chawaliyaan maar raha hai.
 
Stupidity at it's extreme.


Puttar do din huyay hain computer use kiyay huay bongay aur chawaliyaan maar raha hai.
Read it my next post kiddo if you don't understand the common sense than you are brainfarts and extremely stupid and live in fools world and imagination, wishful thinking and assumptions, if you still don't understand than ask it to Mr gambit, you brainless kid:hitwall::crazy::blah:
 
The Eagles would be a better match for the Mig-31.

But at close range, I'd like to be in an F-16, not an interceptor.
I don't think the Eagle will catch up to the Foxhound.
The top speed of an Eagle is 2,665 km/h and the Foxhound is 3,000 km/h. Both are at high altitude.
 
Read it my next post kiddo if you don't understand the common sense than you are brainfarts and extremely stupid and live in fools world and imagination, wishful thinking and assumptions, if you still don't understand than ask it to Mr gambit, you brainless kid:hitwall::crazy::blah:
I am not gonna waste my time over your utter stupidity
 
No and you? F-35 has an edge in BVR fight, remember F-35 half generation ahead of SU and MIG and look F-35 radar first detect MIG and SU because of their excess infrared and RCS, where as those MIGS and SU can detect F-35 relatively close by because F-35 VLO design when this happen F-35 already fires its BVR to MIG and SU, so therefore game over for SU and MIG, understand kid why I am insisting that F-35 has an edge in BVR fight over to SU and MIG, if you still don't understand ask Mr.gambit thank you
First F-35 avionics , jammers & EW suite is more advance than F-22.
So, if they manage to sneak & come WVR , would they manage to shoot with F-35 have all around 360 degree view through Gen III HMDS & 360 degree HOBS WVR missiles ?
 
The SR-71 was replaced by satellites, it was expensive and obsolete (dating to the 1960s). The SR-71 was in service from 1966 to 1998. The MiG-31 entered service in 1979. So... the MiG-31 was so scary the US continued to operate the SR-71 for another 19 years while the MiG-31 was in operation.

You cast doubt on everything you say when you say such drivel.
You are assuming every nation had the MiG-31 and that Russia was the only country SR-71 spied on. If you remove both those resumptions, why the SR-71 continued to be in service will make sense.
 
I don't think the Eagle will catch up to the Foxhound.
The top speed of an Eagle is 2,665 km/h and the Foxhound is 3,000 km/h. Both are at high altitude.
That would be in a pursuit scenario, but in almost evey other area, the F-15 outperforms the Mig and even most modern aircraft.
 
Lets wait until F-35 first gets into full blown service and gets its first tour of duty. Only time will tell. F-35 is over hype. It will take another decade before the bugs get resolved.
Su-35 can easily destroy american planes
 
That would be in a pursuit scenario, but in almost evey other area, the F-15 outperforms the Mig and even most modern aircraft.
Ofcourse it is, the Foxhound is an Interceptor designed for Intercepting bombers at high altitude, not going up against an Eagle. In almost any case the Eagle will meet the Foxhound in a Pursuit scenario, or when they're escorting bombers.
The F15 should go up against the SU 27.
 
Su-35 can easily destroy american planes
Here is the difference. F35 was designed with the mentality to maximise steath capabilities and utilise BVR and electronics; all engagements will be BVR and close dog fights relegated to the backwaters. Russian philosophy and rightfully so is that history has taught that dogfights are still necessary e.g after the vietnam conflict, they had to introduce the cannon back on to the Mig21 and similarly with the F-4 Phantom.
Hence, MiG29 and Su-27+ series were designed with dogfights superiority in mind and similarly the rational for having helmet sights/IR sensors.... F35 borrowed that as it has merits into ETOS.
Any engagement is a combination of factors, doctrine, training and environment that will determine the outcome; it is never white and black but lots of shades of grey.
F35 is over reliant on the the assumption that stealth will win the day. Stealth can be overcome as was shown by the kosovo conflict by older ground radar which utilises longer wavelength.
 
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Putin’s MiGs vs. US F-16s in Syria


after four years of devastating civil war with more than 240,000 dead — some from government use of chemical weapons and some from government-induced starvation — Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad has admitted he has a manpower problem. In fact, he has a bigger problem than that.

Assad’s Russian and Iranian sponsors know that his grip on Syria is far from secure. The Islamic State group has expanded its territory in the north, and fighting in the suburbs of Damascus could trigger a collapse of the regime if one major breakthrough occurs. Thus the Syrian government has turned to brutal bombings of civilians and other measures to try to stave off what is looking more and more inevitable.

The situation could deteriorate further, and Assad may use even more desperate methods if he can find them.

Alongside, and only partly related to the Syrian civil war, the US has moved F-16 fighter jets to Incirlik, Turkey, not far from northeastern Syria. At the same time (a countermove?) the Russians have moved MiG-31M supersonic interceptors to Syria. Where are we headed?

The air base at Incirlik would allow the US Air Force to operate much closer to Islamic State group targets in both Iraq and Syria. To get Turkey’s permission, however, the Obama administration had to entertain Turkish demands for a “no-fly zone” in northern Syria. The Turks want to move thousands of Syrian refugees out of Turkey and back onto Syrian soil, and to keep Syrian aircraft from operating near Turkey.

The Russians countered the notion of restricting Syrian flights by delivering to Assad six MiG-31M aircraft in a deal previously agreed to but canceled in 2009. The superfast MiG-31M is the first Russian plane equipped with a look-down/shoot-down radar.

Its original mission was to catch and shoot down the American Mach 3+ SR-71 spy plane; the SR-71 was retired, an indication of the MiG’s capability. Because of its speed and ability to operate at very high altitude, the appearance of the MiG-31 in Syria appears intended to harass the F-16s and make a no-fly zone impossible.

Since a no-fly zone is much more complicated than just having American jets in the area, it is unlikely the Turkish plan will come to fruition. And in the first of several conundrums, having the US fly out of Incirlik actually helps the Islamic State group by taking the Syrian Air Force out of the war over territory in the north that the Islamic State group holds. Yes, it switches out one enemy for another, but the US is likely to be a much more cautious, and thus less deadly, enemy to the Islamic State group.

In that sense, too, the deployment of MiGs in Syria is a conundrum for Russia, which should appreciate any American activity against the Islamic State group, even if it takes place over Syrian territory. But Russia’s client, Syria, would not.

The dance of aircraft is part of the larger crosscurrent regarding the future disposition of the Syrian regime, and the difference between the American position and that of the Russians and their Iranian allies.

The US wants Assad replaced by a coalition government that could include “moderate Islamists,” and retain the current borders of Syria. The US effort to find and train “moderate Islamists,” however, has been an abject failure, and the war is really between radical Sunnis and the Alawite Shi’a government.

The Russians, it appears, would accept some form of partition of Syria with the Assad regime retaining limited powers in the mainly Alawite area. There would also be a Sunni entity, and perhaps enclaves for Christians and Kurds. None of this has been spelled out, however, and where the behind-the-scenes negotiations are going is a guess.

The American move into Incirlik may be an indication that US-Russian negotiations are failing. But whatever the Americans and the Russians want, the Islamic State group will have to be at least a tacit party to any Syrian settlement. And unless the Islamic State group and its affiliates are definitively on the run and under siege, there is little chance they would accept any deal. And if they do, there is even less chance they would keep a deal. That leaves both the US and Russians without a dance partner, and neither wants to dance with the Islamic State group.

What should appear to be agreed upon action against the Islamic State group by Russia and the US, albeit for different reasons, is now the conundrum of what will happen when an F-16 meets a MiG.
always link the source and give credit or mention to original author.. I linked it for you this time
 
In addition, I don't think you're aware of recent dog fight in between F-16 and F-35. F-35 got toasted over and over by the F-16. Su is in a different league. I don't believe in FOF crap because not every BVR missile can hit the target accurately. I mean pilots can dodge the missile but what will happen if WVR takes place in between SU and F-35? It is not easy as it seems

There was no dogfight, only flight tests to expand performance.

No, the F-35 was not beaten by an F-16

I don't blame you for thinking this though. The disinformation out there on the F-35 is outstanding.

:edit: I should add there have been fights between the f-16 and f-35 in groups. The f-35 won handily
 

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