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When have to choose to believe a word said by a Indian and a Pakistani, I will go for Pakistani. Until now, Indians still lie who launched attack first at year 1962. If one never admit the fact, how can you expect a better relationship?
 
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When have to choose to believe a word said by a Indian and a Pakistani, I will go for Pakistani. Until now, Indians still lie who launched attack first at year 1962. If one never admit the fact, how can you expect a better relationship?

We all know the war in 1962 was caused by Nehru's "forward policy"and the direct fuse was Indians deployed military posts beyond Mc Mahon Line which they claimed as the border.I hope Indians here also know this fact.
 
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We all know the war in 1962 was caused by Nehru's "forward policy"and the direct fuse was Indians deployed military posts beyond Mc Mahon Line which they claimed as the border.I hope Indians here also know this fact.

it seem most of them still don't know how it happened and why they lost the war 50 years after it.
 
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it seem most of them still don't know how it happened and why they lost the war 50 years after it.
The Forward Policy
According to James Barnard Calvin of the U.S. Navy, in 1959, India started sending Indian troops and border patrols into disputed areas. This program created both skirmishes and deteriorating relations between India and China.[8] The aim of this policy was to create outposts behind advancing Chinese troops to interdict their supplies, forcing them north of the disputed line.[8][24][27][30] There were eventually 60 such outposts, including 43 north of the McMahon Line, to which India claimed sovereignty.[8][13] China viewed this as further confirmation of Indian expansionist plans directed towards Tibet. According to the Indian official history, implementation of the Forward Policy was intended to provide evidence of Indian occupation in the previously unoccupied region through which Chinese troops had been patrolling. Kaul was confident, through contact with Indian Intelligence and CIA information, that China would not react with force.[17] Indeed, at first the PLA simply withdrew, but eventually Chinese forces began to counter-encircle the Indian positions which clearly encroached into the north of McMahon Line. This led to a tit-for-tat Indian reaction, with each force attempting to outmanoeuver the other. However, despite the escalating nature of the dispute, the two forces withheld from engaging each other directly.[2]

Chinese attention was diverted for a time by the military activity of the Nationalists on Taiwan, but on 23 June the U.S. assured China that a Nationalist invasion would not be permitted.[31] China's heavy artillery facing Taiwan could then be moved to Tibet.[32] It took China six to eight months to gather the resources needed for the war, according to Anil Athale, author of the official Indian history.[32] The Chinese sent a large quantity of non-military supplies to Tibet through the Indian port of Calcutta.[32]


 
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We all know the war in 1962 was caused by Nehru's "forward policy"and the direct fuse was Indians deployed military posts beyond Mc Mahon Line which they claimed as the border.I hope Indians here also know this fact.

It's the same with 71.
They think that Pakistan started it but Pakistan was fighting a civil war why on earth would it pick a fight with India at the same time?
The truth is that India was building up it's forces and was going to attack us and Pakistan took action, Just like China did in 62.
 
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It's very simple: no Nehru = no Forward Policy = no war = no lives lost = no resentment

The fact that Nehru was warned for months that his Forward Policy was pushing both countries to the brink of war completely flew over his head. If he wasn't idiotic enough to begin with, he was surprised when war broke out. It's not like he wasn't told war was coming.
 
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south Tibet is too big a piece of land,I don't think Chinese government will risk being overthrown by the people by accepting loss of that land,so it simply won't happen.flaring nationalism will swallow the government up.so the best Chinese government can offer is to split South Tibet half and half I guess.

Why would the Chinese government want to settle the South Tibet issue right now?
South Tibet, as far as Chinese is concerned, has no resources and no strategic value since all the strategic position of the area is already in Chinese hands, therefore there is no need for immediate action.
The supply situation may have improved in the recent years, but it is still a chore to get stuff to the place or vice versa, so there is no immediate incentive to hold the place.
Due advantages in equipment and training, as well as holding strategic locations, the Chinese only need to station one division of troops in the South Tibet border. Indians, on the other hand, have to station a much large force just to maintain the balance. This not only leaves India with less troop to deploy on the Pakistan front, it also create a cost disparity. Meaning a small amount of Chinese budget managed to boggle down a much large India budget. This is not including the fact that the Chinese forces has way more resource to work with and the difference is only gonna get bigger from here.
This also forces India into an arm race, but the difference is that the Chinese are using domestically manufactured equipments while India is buying stuff from other countries. So the arm races helps the Chinese industries to grow while it just saps money from Indians. No matter how you look at the equation, the scenario is only gonna get worse for India from here.
There is also the matter of casus belli. If the Chinese and India actual work out an accord, then the Chinese would be left with no farther claim on the area. However, by keeping the area under "disputed" status, the Chinese will have a valid claim on the entire South Tibet area.
Overall, there is absolutely no reason and motivation for the Chinese government to settle the south Tibet issue right now. A drawn out dispute of that particular area is pretty advantage to the Chinese in every possible way.
It's very simple: no Nehru = no Forward Policy = no war = no lives lost = no resentment
The fact that Nehru was warned for months that his Forward Policy was pushing both countries to the brink of war completely flew over his head. If he wasn't idiotic enough to begin with, he was surprised when war broke out. It's not like he wasn't told war was coming.

Well, on paper, he actually picked a very good time to attack.
Remember, 1962 was merely 9 years from the Korean war, so the Chinese are pretty much persona non grata with the Europeans and Americans (except the Franch, who would be establishing diplomatic relationship with China in 2 years and the British, who has been smuggling goods to China through Hongkong since the end of the Korean war).
At the time, China also just broke with Soviet Union and many of the other communist countries chose to side with Soviets. In comparison, at the time, India was generally viewed as the leader of the third world countries. (partly because of the non-alignment movement, partly because many people at the time believed that the Chinese achievements are the results of Soviet help)
Internally, the three years of natural disaster has just finished and the Chinese are still recovering their infrastructure.
Since the Qinghai-Tibet railway did not exist back then, the Chinese forces is few in number and also had limited supply. This also means reinforcements take a long time to arrive. The most experienced of the Chinese troops are also stationed somewhere else in the country, since the India-China border was consider less dangerous than the others.
Production wise, it was also believed, at the time, that India had better industrial base. (Not actually true, although India started out with much better industrial base in the 40s, by 1962, the Chinese already finished one five year plan and part of the second five year plan, aka "great leap forward", while the 2nd five year plan is an disaster overall, it still managed to reach some of its targets.)
So you can see, on paper, Nehru actually picked the perfect time to attack. Of course, history showed us that what looked fine on paper may be very different in reality. Nehru had pretty everything in his favor, but just didn't count the fact that India veteran troops couldn't even beat Chinese border guards.
 
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as always, the Indian's solution to everything is "give us everything we want and there will be no problems"
Indians need to get out of such childish mentalities and come to the real world of adults where things are talked over and compromises are made for the sake of peace and prosperity.

That is the way pakistan thinks.
They want our land to settle the dispute.
 
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Well, on paper, he actually picked a very good time to attack.
Remember, 1962 was merely 9 years from the Korean war, so the Chinese are pretty much persona non grata with the Europeans and Americans (except the Franch, who would be establishing diplomatic relationship with China in 2 years and the British, who has been smuggling goods to China through Hongkong since the end of the Korean war).
At the time, China also just broke with Soviet Union and many of the other communist countries chose to side with Soviets. In comparison, at the time, India was generally viewed as the leader of the third world countries. (partly because of the non-alignment movement, partly because many people at the time believed that the Chinese achievements are the results of Soviet help)
Internally, the three years of natural disaster has just finished and the Chinese are still recovering their infrastructure.
Since the Qinghai-Tibet railway did not exist back then, the Chinese forces is few in number and also had limited supply. This also means reinforcements take a long time to arrive. The most experienced of the Chinese troops are also stationed somewhere else in the country, since the India-China border was consider less dangerous than the others.
Production wise, it was also believed, at the time, that India had better industrial base. (Not actually true, although India started out with much better industrial base in the 40s, by 1962, the Chinese already finished one five year plan and part of the second five year plan, aka "great leap forward", while the 2nd five year plan is an disaster overall, it still managed to reach some of its targets.)
So you can see, on paper, Nehru actually picked the perfect time to attack. Of course, history showed us that what looked fine on paper may be very different in reality. Nehru had pretty everything in his favor, but just didn't count the fact that India veteran troops couldn't even beat Chinese border guards.

this is a perfect example and explanation of the word "backstabbing" which Indians always use againt us when talking about that war.
 
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Friendship is good for both countries,but we must stay cautious..these sweet talks are often use for some strategic interests.

Agree, Just stay friends! ,they are looking for access to largest populated market on the planet ( by 2025 you population will surpass china) and with better domestic consumption and young population and a population which will not peak for the next 70-80 yrs; no wonder Chinese are hovering around y`all, as not having full access to such a market is a extremely bad business Idea , and am sure the Chinese leaders have figured that out ; if China is present then India is future - where money can be made
hence the sweet talk !!.

I still believe though , India should move on from 1962
 
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