PTI's Azadi March 14th August 2014 l Updates and debate.

[VCheng]

It is ill-defined because the court can't define things, I think I have made this clear earlier.

Well, let us move the discussion on lest we get sidetracked on this tangential issue, but suffice to say that in a properly working legal system of justice, it is the courts that have the responsibility to define exactly what laws relevant to each case mean, precisely and clearly.

 

[Emmie]

Well, let us move the discussion on lest we get sidetracked on this tangential issue, but suffice to say that in a properly working legal system of justice, it is the courts that have the responsibility to define exactly what laws relevant to each case mean, precisely and clearly.

Sir we are discussing legal system here and I think we should also know the fact that there's a difference between constitutional laws and other forms of laws. It is always the court which decides what should be accepted and what should be declined.
Anyway, lets agree to disagree.

 

[VCheng]

I think we should also know the fact that there's a difference between constitutional laws and other forms of laws.

What is this difference Sir? The law is the law, nothing more, nothing less. Different laws cover different areas, but their application is similarly exacting, as it should be, for ALL laws.

For example, to keep our discussion somewhat relevant to this topic, the court utterly failed to provide the standards of legality and constitutionality that it used for its order. Such confusion on part of such a senior court can only mean one of two things: either the petition is not robust, or the honorable judges are not robust.

People can draw their own conclusions.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Kohe update kar dey muje ajj ke porey din k activities
How many people attended the march and whats their future plans?
When NS will resign?
When naya pakistan with naya sohna selfless prime minister Ik will take charge?

 

[iPhone]

This looser khan is only good for marches and protests and disrupting peace. When it comes to real ground work he's zero. What is his big accomplishment in his elected province KPK? Nothing.

I would even say that he's trying to hide his failures in KPK in the guise of this march. May this fitna face another failure and humiliation at the hands of Pakistani awam.

 

[Emmie]

What is this difference Sir? The law is the law, nothing more, nothing less. Different laws cover different areas, but their application is similarly exacting, as it should be, for ALL laws.

Where did I say a law is not a law, whether it's constitutional law, statutory law or any other law, a law is a law. These laws are different because they cover different areas, their application is different, their basis are different - you would charge a murderer with criminal laws not with constitutional laws. The constitutional laws per se define the framework for other laws, you simply can't make various terms synonymous to each other (of course all are laws). It is interesting to see on one hand sir you ask about differences and on other hand define differences yourself!

Well, let us move the discussion on lest we get sidetracked on this tangential issue, but suffice to say that in a properly working legal system of justice, it is the courts that have the responsibility to define exactly what laws relevant to each case mean, precisely and clearly.

The point perhaps you seem to have overlooked despite of repeated clarification is that the law in situ doesn't entitle high court to interpret and define constitution. The point in question here is the constitutionality of something not the original or appellate jurisdiction of the high court or any other court. That said the high court was not in a position to define or clarify the laws, that's the reason why the verdict we have read lacks the clarification.

 

[ajpirzada]

political Karma in Pak seems not to be showing any mercy:

 

[SBD-3]

T

political Karma in Pak seems not to be showing any mercy:

There is a big difference between Pawns and Nawaz's march.
Nawaz's march was for Justice, not for Prime Ministership.
Imran's march is only for Prime Ministership.
But of course it takes a brain to understand that...

 

[Devil Soul]

The Express Tribune ‏@etribune 5m
(Live) Imran Khan's son Qasim joins the rally: Express News screengrab http://tribune.com.pk/story/746421/azadi-march-updates-if-anything-happens-to-me-hold-the-pm-responsible-says-imran/…

 

[SBD-3]

#NSforPakistan and #PTIAzadimarch going head to head on Twitter....Looks like PTI's government in Twitter is about to be toppled

The Express Tribune ‏@etribune 5m
(Live) Imran Khan's son Qasim joins the rally: Express News screengrab http://tribune.com.pk/story/746421/azadi-march-updates-if-anything-happens-to-me-hold-the-pm-responsible-says-imran/…

Firstly it was Imran's sister in Karachi now his sons....nevermind...

 

[W.11]

Lahore me itna habs k burger cook ho gya

 

[VCheng]

The point perhaps you seem to have overlooked despite of repeated clarification is that the law in situ doesn't entitle high court to interpret and define constitution. The point in question here is the constitutionality of something not the original or appellate jurisdiction of the high court or any other court. That said the high court was not in a position to define or clarify the laws, that's the reason why the verdict we have read lacks the clarification.

Forgive me for asking such a basic question, but isn't it the primary job of the Judiciary to interpret laws that the Legislature makes, including the Constitution, which is the Supreme Law of the Land?

When LHC says in its order that "The respondents No.4 and 5 (Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf P.T.I. and Pakistan Awami Tehreek P.A.T.) are restrained meanwhile from launching Azadi March, Inqlab March or holding Dharna at Islamabad, in any unconstitutional way, keeping in view the sanctity of the independence day and the current chaotic and uncertain situation prevailing in the Country", what does it actually mean?

What laws are being used as the basis for saying this, specially the underlined part? If the Honorable Court itself does not know what laws it is using to pass an order, then may be the said Court has no business hearing the case.

 

[Devil Soul]

#NSforPakistan and #PTIAzadimarch going head to head on Twitter....Looks like PTI's government in Twitter is about to be toppled


Firstly it was Imran's sister in Karachi now his sons....nevermind...

people are saying the same on twitter...

 

[ajpirzada]

T

There is a big difference between Pawns and Nawaz's march.
Nawaz's march was for Justice, not for Prime Ministership.
Imran's march is only for Prime Ministership.
But of course it takes a brain to understand that...

everyone can say the same

 

[TankMan]

This looser khan is only good for marches and protests and disrupting peace. When it comes to real ground work he's zero. What is his big accomplishment in his elected province KPK? Nothing.

I would even say that he's trying to hide his failures in KPK in the guise of this march. May this fitna face another failure and humiliation at the hands of Pakistani awam.

Do you live in KPK? How are you so sure?

Here's a list of accomplishments:

1) Power Generation & New Dams

South Asian News Agency | Federal govt assures KPK govt of cooperation to start 25,000 megawatt hydel power projects in KPK
CM Pervez Khattak approved 100 Crore for Kehala small dam in Abbotabad
Two micro hydro power plants inaugurated: Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government seeks to restart closed projects, says Imran | Business Recorder
KPK Govt to start work on four energy projects (457 MW total)
Economic ties: Chinese investors to establish 25 hydel power stations in KPK
Imran Khan inaugurated micro hydroelectric power plant in KPK |

France provides 61mn euros to Pakistan for two hydropower projects (775 MW total)
Galaxy Technologies to invest $2 Billion in Hydro projects in KPK (1000 MW)
K-P govt approves extensive energy plan – The Express Tribune (A total of 365 small hydro projects all over KPK, with 80% funds to be provided by KP govt. 25,760MW will be generated in next 10 years, costing Rs10.38 trillion)
Imran Khan announces 350 small dams all over KPK
17.4 megawatt Gomal Zam Dam project starts power generation
24MW hydropower project to bring progress to Mansehra - Newspaper - DAWN

2) Police, Justice (Law & Order):

People can now file FIR online in KPK
KP women to get police help through SMS - Newspaper - DAWN
KP police raise Special Combat Unit
Robot comes to the rescue: Bomb defused in Peshawar – The Express Tribune
Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Police use modern technology - Central Asia Online
KPK police get latest SIM technology to trace stolen vehicles | Pakistan Today
State-of-the-art: Police to be equipped with mobile phone tracking – The Express Tribune
KPK announces its own secret intelligence agency
‘Justice on Wheels’: Mobile court all set to deliver prompt justice – The Express Tribune
Talking about a resolution: City gets its first Dispute Resolution Council – The Express Tribune
KPK right to information ordinance 2013 | keeping Gov's Accountable | KPK Government Achievements
E-Citizens Grievance Redressal System — a unique justice system implemented in KPK


3) Health:


PTI govt would install Robot Surgery machines in the tertiary hospitals, Minister | Pakistan News
‘Sehat Ka Insaf’ a complete health package for KP children - Newspaper - DAWN (11 rounds completed so far, with around 5 - 7 Lac kids being vaccinated in each round)
Drop by drop, Sehat ka Insaf fights crippling disease – The Express Tribune
Imran Khan Announced to Establish a Foundation Under KPK Govt. For Orphans, Widows and Disabled Persons

Result of successful Anti-Polio Drive, for the first time in history no polio virus found from Peshawar. PPP in Sindh acknowledges KPK's drive and looks to copy it in Sindh.
No polio virus found in Peshawar while in Lahore Karachi.. Slap on Saad Rafique
PPP plans PTI KPK Government Sehat ka Insaf-like Anti-Polio Drive
WHO declares Peshawar’s water samples polio free; it’s a evidence of the PTI health campaign: Ayesha Gulalai

4) Education:


EDUCATION EMERGENCY DECLARED IN Khyber Pakhtunkhwa - 15 Lakh New Enrollments Target, Scholarship for Female Students from Class 1 to 10th
Education becoming Educated in KPK
Khyber Pakhtunkhwa launch School Enrollment Drive (September 10, 2013)
KP sets 1.8m target for school enrolment
BBC Report on KPK Drive for Education
KPK enrolment drive gets record response
KPK GOVERNMENT LAUNCHES TAMEER-E-SCHOOL PROGRAM | STUDY SOLUTIONS FOR ALL
KPK: 80,000 kanal land purchased for education city.
KPK education city attracts international universities
Foreign credentials: International universities show keen interest in K-P Education City – The Express Tribune
KP government expedites efforts to set up Education City -
KPK: Real change. Uniform education system in KPK. |
Introducing uniform education system in KPK, a feather in PTI’s cap
KPK Govt. Decided To Set English Language as the Medium of Education in Schools
K-P to have technical university – The Express Tribune


5) Anti Corruption:


KP Ehtesab Commission at hand as assembly passes bill - Newspaper - DAWN
KPK Accountability Commission set up
PTI expels QWP from KPK coalition over ‘corruption’
News from KPK where being a patwari is no longer fun - Zameen Blog
KPK is the Only Province where is No Political Interference in Police - IG Nasir Durrani
Caught in the act: K-P to fight corruption with Ehtesab courts – The Express Tribune

6) Economy & Development:

Rs1.4b plan prepared for two industrial estates -
Rs19.6 billion projects approved - Newspaper - DAWN
Feasibility process for Rapid Mass Transit System initiated -
Speedy work on Peshawar mass transit system ordered - Newspaper - DAWN
3 provinces fail to achieve NFC target - Newspaper - DAWN (Only KPK achieves NFC targets)
KP to have industrial estate management - Newspaper - DAWN
KP takes its industrial roadshow to Dubai, London - Newspaper - DAWN
Workers of the world: Province to have four new industrial zones – The Express Tribune
Fresh start: K-P set to rebuild ‘City of Flowers’ – The Express Tribune
KPK provincial tax collection increased by 216%
ADB promises support for mega projects - Newspaper - DAWN (Asian Development Bank to help mega projects)
PTI govt surpasses previous rulers in getting foreign contribution -

(Links can be found here, post #13:
First Year 2013/14: Federal vs Punjab vs KP vs Sindh vs Balochistan