PTI opposes NOC for Raheel to head Saudi-led military alliance

[war&peace]

@war&peace Why is the Gov issuing an NOC if it is not a legal requirement?

That's a nice question right. I don't know that is why asked.

 

[Awan68]

There is a wrong way to do the right thing and then there is a right way to do the right thing.

Which do you think Allah tells you to do: the wrong way or the right way?

Ground realities are facts written in stone, those who ignore it do it at their own dellusional perli, this isnt france or britain where the baradari system no longer exists and majority is literate and politically aware, this is pakistan...

 

[BRAVO_]

Pakistan cannot remains neutral, because only dead people are neutral.... living beings pick sides... its as simple if Pakistan will not be standing with arabs .. they would b consider allies of Iranians.... historically Paksitan put its bet on arabs, and may be pakistan is the only country in Sunni states who can neutralize this alliance up to a reasonable level by putting forward the iranian concerns infront of other Muslims countries ..... our biggest problem is .. we dont have any effective and clear foreign policy nor we have any dedicated team of foreign officers. our neighboring country has good relation with Arabs .. as well as with Iran and they take their decisions according to their interests but we are stuck.. always hesitant to take decisions

 

[BHarwana]

I have avoided this thread as it has three very swing points
1. PTI
2. Raheel Sharif
3. Saudia

Now lets move forward first sending Raheel Sharif never means Pakistan is going to war with Yemen. It is just Raheel going Not PA or PN or PAF going. Why this article focus on PTI remember the last vote for deploying troops to Yemen was heavily opposed by MNA in Noon league. When Pakistan needs to deploy troops to Yemen it will require either parliament vote or an order from the president and both of those things will not come in favour of Saudia so Noon came up with a plan of sending Raheel Sharif and PTI went against it because of just political reasons and nothing else. So sending Raheel will give Noon advantage over the Saudi love vote bank but the PTI's opposition will do the job for Noon any how as most of the Saudi love vote bank lies in KPK and Noon will gain advantage.

Now lets look at foreign policy and international relations prospective. Pakistan cannot send troops as that prospective will not go through parliament so Raheel deployment will do the job in improving relations with Saudia and GCC which are all time low and this move will not piss off Iran as it is only one general that is just going in for the command and control role but in prospect this is a big move as it means Pakistan will be supplying Saudia with advance military experience and strategy of Rasheel Sharif. Only time can tell the advantage and loss of this move for now.

Relations with Iran are more important than with Saudia. As Iran and Pakistan have common border and Iran being Pakistan's land hub to Europe is necessary for the further advance in trade and prosperity. Plus Iran is also very important for the security of Balochistan and the Baloch insurgency is a common problem for Pakistan and Iran.

 

[Hrk19]

I have avoided this thread as it has three very swing points
1. PTI
2. Raheel Sharif
3. Saudia

Now lets move forward first sending Raheel Sharif never means Pakistan is going to war with Yemen. It is just Raheel going Not PA or PN or PAF going. Why this article focus on PTI remember the last vote for deploying troops to Yemen was heavily opposed by MNA in Noon league. When Pakistan needs to deploy troops to Yemen it will require either parliament vote or an order from the president and both of those things will not come in favour of Saudia so Noon came up with a plan of sending Raheel Sharif and PTI went against it because of just political reasons and nothing else. So sending Raheel will give Noon advantage over the Saudi love vote bank but the PTI's opposition will do the job for Noon any how as most of the Saudi love vote bank lies in KPK and Noon will gain advantage.

Now lets look at foreign policy and international relations prospective. Pakistan cannot send troops as that prospective will not go through parliament so Raheel deployment will do the job in improving relations with Saudia and GCC which are all time low and this move will not piss off Iran as it is only one general that is just going in for the command and control role but in prospect this is a big move as it means Pakistan will be supplying Saudia with advance military experience and strategy of Rasheel Sharif. Only time can tell the advantage and loss of this move for now.

Relations with Iran are more important than with Saudia. As Iran and Pakistan have common border and Iran being Pakistan's land hub to Europe is necessary for the further advance in trade and prosperity. Plus Iran is also very important for the security of Balochistan and the Baloch insurgency is a common problem for Pakistan and Iran.

i disagree,the saudis help us financially and have been helping us through thick and thin while the iranians bomb our territory and sends indian spies
what we need to do is openly declare our support for the arabs as iran has a defence pact with india and also harbour's their spies.
and so what if iran gets angry at us,we have nukes,what are they gonna do?

 

[BHarwana]

i disagree,the saudis help us financially and have been helping us through thick and thin while the iranians bomb our territory and sends indian spies
what we need to do is openly declare our support for the arabs as iran has a defence pact with india and also harbour's their spies.
and so what if iran gets angry at us,we have nukes,what are they gonna do?

Sir with due respect your agreement or disagreement is not important and nor is what Saudia thinks or GCC thinks to Pakistan the national security and prosperity is more important. The ties between Pakistan and Iran are stronger as you don't supply nuclear technology to every country until you are in some form of Alliance. In kashmir neither Iran nor Saudi soldiers gave their lives so this is not our war. China has helped Pakistan most with Kashmir. Saudi gave Pakistan funds to fuel war in Afghanistan against Russia and we did our job and provided logistics and assistance to Afghan freedom. Saudia gives us funds is not a donation to Pakistan. Pakistan provides them Many services in return like training their army and training their air force. Pakistan had major wars and who supported us? these things should be kept in mind. We cannot join the war in Saudia and Iran but we can negotiate peace and that is what we should do.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Their inability to see outside KPK politics. they don't understand how to grow the country's political and military stature in the region. They don't know how to bury the notions of isolation. they don't know how to use this once in a lifetime chance to actually lead the block of Muslim countries, create a clout and influence and use this opportunity to **** india up.

What a bunch of 342 arseholes we have support from our tax money.

What is their main objection?

 

[Thorough Pro]

Pakistani forces have been posted in KSA for decades working under Saudi commanders, now they want to hire a retired Pakistani General to lead their forces, what's changed except for the rank? Think about it with RS leading the coalition all the military resources will be under his command and can/will be used against any country that dares to wage a war against Pakistan. We help them in their time of need, they will help us in our time of need.

 

[Kabira]

Relations with Iran are more important than with Saudia. As Iran and Pakistan have common border and Iran being Pakistan's land hub to Europe is necessary for the further advance in trade and prosperity. Plus Iran is also very important for the security of Balochistan and the Baloch insurgency is a common problem for Pakistan and Iran.

Most of Pakistan remittances comes from GCC countries, not Iran. They support millions of Pakistanis and this can be increased in expense of workers from other countries like India if Pakistan play its card right. PTI should stop bringing sectarian angle to oppose N league. This has nothing to do with N vs PTI.

PTI should stick with local politics.

 

[BHarwana]

Most of Pakistan remittances comes from GCC countries, not Iran. They support millions of Pakistanis and this can be increased in expense of workers from other countries like India if Pakistan play its card right. PTI should stop bringing sectarian angle to oppose N league. This has nothing to do with N vs PTI.

PTI should stick with local politics

In my personal opinion Raheel Sharif should be allowed to lead Saudi forces but The Pti made the stance to make political gain in certain areas of southern Punjab and N league made the announcement to gain political advantage in KPK. This move will not hurt our relation with Iran and will improve our relation with Saudia but Pti is looking for personal gains here I would agree with you that Pti should back off on it's stance.

 

[somebozo]

Its time to blow some senses into this pagal khan...his politics are behas barai behas with no logic and no common sense..

Most of Pakistan remittances comes from GCC countries, not Iran. They support millions of Pakistanis and this can be increased in expense of workers from other countries like India if Pakistan play its card right. PTI should stop bringing sectarian angle to oppose N league. This has nothing to do with N vs PTI.

PTI should stick with local politics.

Correct...Increased Pakistani assistance to GCC security has resulted in hike in Pakistani visas this year while drastic reduction in visa quotas for Philipines and India..

 

[Kabira]

Correct...Increased Pakistani assistance to GCC security has resulted in hike in Pakistani visas this year while drastic reduction in visa quotas for Philipines and India..

Source?

PTI has lost its marbles, Imran Khan who isn't politician in any sense. Being corruption free doesn't make you good politician. He go from playing provincial card in local politics to sectarian card in international politics. He doesn't see anything else apart from how to bring Nawaz down at any cost.

Hopefully supreme court remove Nawaz Sharif then maybe Imran Khan will retire from politics.

 

[Verve]

Allah teaches us to use our minds, there is no right way in politics when u are fixing to win, right or wrong comes when u are actually in custody of the govt, for a good cause u have to deploy multi strategims go defeat enemies, holy prophet(pbuh) was a master tactician and an exemplary politician, we are his(pbuh)'s followers, his legacy..

It's not about politics. It's about Law! And there is no ambiguity on obeying the law of the land in Islam.

If NOC is a legal requirement then PTI's objection is justified.

However if there are no legal basis, then not.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Again short sighted thought by PTI just for the sake of opposing PML-N Govt They were also crying foul over CPEC in the beginning. Hopeless at times!

 

[shahbaz baig]

Stop you guys! you guys dont have any idea and start to discuss about crucial matters. you guys are responsible to create the misunderstanding between sunni and shia

first of all. Pakistan personally accept that sunni and shia both are Muslim brothers. Pakistan knows the Propaganda of Yahodi Labi. Raheel Sharef demanded 3 condition to join this Coalitions. one of his Condition was that iran should be part of this Coalition..but they ignored 3 condition and now Pakistan is not playing her full role in this Fasadi sectarian war. but yes Pakistan is agree to protect the Mohammad P.B.U.H land from any kind of attack within the territory of Saudi Arab. not out side the territory. Pakistan maintained military missions in 22 countries, becoming the largest military manpower deployer in the Third World. Arab Countries and Shia States have to understand that Raheel Shareef Needs full Command without any country interfering and they have to accept Raheel Sahreef Policies regarding Peace. otherwise if there will be the only physical face of Raheel Shareef and not full command and authorization for Raheel Shareef then write down my words pakistan is not going to involve in this Fasaadi sectarian war, except protracting the Land of P.B.U.H.. and Raheel Shareef Policies will be his individual policies. it has nothing to do with Pakistan`s policies.

when iran does not have any problem and iran accepted the role of Raheel Shareef in the Coalition. why PTI is poking the nose without knowing the Ground Reality.

EVEN IRAN WILL BENEFIT FROM RAHEEL SHARIF LEADING SAUDI ALLIANCE, CLAIMS JANJUA