PTI opposes NOC for Raheel to head Saudi-led military alliance

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Having a Pakistani as the NoC of this massive alliance will surge our influence throughout the world. PTI will oppose anything the Government leans towards. I know they are the opposition, but they're taking 'opposition' too far.

 

[simple Brain]

This is what i am saying everything should be in black and white to clear out the smoke so that benefits are known to everyone.

They can't do it, history is evident that whenever it happened it destroyed the intentions from very beginning of its inception. Let the coalition form its shape than the terms and conditions should be defined or exposed to the world.

P.S
With the inclusion of Iran in this Coalition.

This will happen when Pakistanis will get preference over Indians in GCC ...then people will believe it is going to be happen..

We aren't talking about Preference in here mate; if it is the preference you want to talk about than for the last few years our Military had a completely opposite stand on Yemen than what Saudi Arabia has. Our Military defy their orders many times and they told them that it isn't about the brotherhood anymore it is all about the stupidity of your policies. Was it the matter of a preference, Saudi Arabia would had chosen a Coalition leader from either one of their own, or Egyptian or Emarati or Turkish General not Gen. Raheel Sharif (R).

 

[Lucky Breeze]

Saudi are known to betray us, they have done it before, and they will do it again.

Since when KSA betrayed us?

 

[simple Brain]

we are falling into the trap. once again we have proved that all pakistanis can be bought. the pakistani nation was shown same dreams of great economy after 9/11 by supporting usa and we are in the worst mess since then. pakistan and saudia are no doubt the biggest traitors of islam and always serve their masters well.

Unfortunately, what you have just described, it happened completely opposite of it. We supported USA at that time because we knew that destruction is upon us if we say "NO". Infect, your Country gained so much of it that you can't even imagine. If you call Saudi Government a Traitor of Islam I can't argue with you and perhaps I agree with you on this one, as history is evident that Saudi Government can be manipulated quite easily. But if you talk about Pakistan, than should watch your words pretty carefully, and provide a concrete evidence of it.

And to serve someone who is totally against your Faith, your Nation and your interests and you have a doubt of being destroyed by that single or multiple 'Masters as you would say' than their is no shame to serve him or her for the period of time till he creates scenarios of his own demise.

 

[imadul]

Nothing wrong discussing in parliament, good or bad, pariament is the forum to discuss and some good arguments will come out. However, no country has a veto over Pakistan foreign policy. If Iran is doing some proxy foreign policy lobbying, it will come out during the debate.

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

Being a firm supporter of IK, I strongly disagree with his point of view of not giving NOC to Gen Raheel Sharif. Gen Raheel Sharif has agreed on certain conditions and he will not let Pakistan down in any way and he will become a reason of improved bilateral relations between all muslim countries.

I don't think it's about being a supporter or not these things should be discussed throughly in parliament before any decision is made the federal government can't just go and do what they want they should have to explain them selves in parliament as to why they are doing what they are doing thats why it's a democratic process otherwise there's not point of a parliament

 

[Hallian_Khan]

what wrong in it... if there isnt any think in it then it should be discussed after all this is democratic country isnt it?

 

[Morpheus]

Since when KSA betrayed us?

After declining to join them in the massacre of Yemen, you should have seen the media that started circulating here. For every petty crime, they started blaming Pakistani. The general attitude of population changed towards Pakistanis.

 

[khanmubashir]

Raheel would b the the chief of alliance and decide or approve all moves as for military of Pak it has different chief now so Pak would only send forces if it sees fit

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) has opposed the government’s decision to allow former chief of army staff (COAS) retd Gen Raheel Sharif to assume the command of a yet-to-be-formed, Saudi-led 39-nation military alliance of Muslim states.

“We strongly oppose this decision and will soon raise the issue in the parliament,” PTI spokesman Fawwad Chaudhry told Dawn.

He said PTI Chairman Imran Khan had tasked three parliamentarians of the party — Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Shireen Mazari and Shafqat Mehmood — with preparing a strategy under which a privilege motion and a calling attention notice would be moved in the National Assembly so that a threadbare discussion could take place there on the issue.

The PTI’s reaction came after an interview of Defence Minister Khawaja Asif was published in some newspapers on Sunday in which he revealed that the government had issued issue a no objection certificate (NOC) to the former army chief to lead the military alliance.

The PTI spokesman said his party was of the view that all parliamentary parties had decided in the parliament that Pakistan would remain neutral in the Middle East crisis. But the decision to issue the NOC to Gen Sharif is contrary to the parliament’s decision. “Even if the government had decided to issue the NOC to the former army chief, it should have come again to the parliament to give reasons why it wanted to do so,” he said.

The PTI spokesman said the 39-nation military alliance of Muslim states was apparently being formed against Iran and, therefore, the appointment of Pakistan’s former army chief as its commander would send a negative message that the country was also against Iran.

Read: Pakistan will not participate in conflict that divides Muslim Ummah: Khawaja Asif

Mr Chaudhry said the government’s decision could further expand the already existing divide between Sunni and Shia communities in Pakistan. “Our Shia brothers have already been targeted in the country and this decision will intensify sense of insecurity prevailing among them,” he added.

The proposed military coalition has reportedly been envisaged to serve as a platform for security cooperation, including provision of training, equipment and troops.

The PTI spokesman said the Middle East crisis was not confined to the Muslim states but super power Russia and Turkey had also been involved in the bloody war in Syria. “Raheel Sharif’s actions can also affect Pakistan’s relations with Iran, Russia and Turkey,” he expressed the fear.

He said under the country’s laws it was mandatory for all government officials not to take up a new job until two years after their retirement. And therefore Defence Minister Asif had told the Senate on Jan 11 that retd Gen Sharif would be required to seek NOC from the government before accepting the Saudi offer to assume command of the military coalition.

Mr Chaudhry said a statement of Federal Minister for Safron retired Lt Gen Abdul Qadir Baloch against issuance of the NOC to retd Gen Sharif was evident of the fact that the government had not taken even its cabinet members in confidence on the decision. “Neither the parliament nor the cabinet has been taken into confidence,” he said.

Published in Dawn, March 27th, 2017
https://www.dawn.com/news/1323049/pti-opposes-noc-for-raheel-to-head-saudi-led-military-alliance

Raheel would b the the chief of alliance and decide or approve all moves as for military of Pak it has different chief now so Pak would only send forces if it sees fit

 

[litman]

Unfortunately, what you have just described, it happened completely opposite of it. We supported USA at that time because we knew that destruction is upon us if we say "NO". Infect, your Country gained so much of it that you can't even imagine. If you call Saudi Government a Traitor of Islam I can't argue with you and perhaps I agree with you on this one, as history is evident that Saudi Government can be manipulated quite easily. But if you talk about Pakistan, than should watch your words pretty carefully, and provide a concrete evidence of it.

And to serve someone who is totally against your Faith, your Nation and your interests and you have a doubt of being destroyed by that single or multiple 'Masters as you would say' than their is no shame to serve him or her for the period of time till he creates scenarios of his own demise.

please read history of ghazwa e ahzab in quran if you are a muslim. if you are not then forget my post.

Can you elaborate more on this ? Or at-least if you are sincere and believe what you said why are you contributing in form of money and taxes for this traitor country ?and indirectly helping this state..The world is open you can migrate from this traitor country and fought against it to prove what you say believe and practically does are the same things


This will happen when Pakistanis will get preference over Indians in GCC ...then people will believe it is going to be happen..

i thought about it but today there is no single country in the world where true islam exists as it should be. true muslims exist in isolation in this vast sea of so called muslims who are either extremists , liberals or materialistic. you cant find state of madina of the time of the Prophet Muhammad SAW anywhere on earth. muslims left their islam may be 500 yrs ago. another reason why i am in pakistan is that i still have some hope as many of the sufis and saints have spoken about this piece of land. even shiekh imran who openly calls pakistani military and political elite as the prostitu*e of the world said that if there is chance of start of khilafa state for muslims then it can be from pakistan but for this first the corrupt , US puppets from the pakistan must be thrown out. till the time people like zardari, nawaz sharif, bilawal bhutto, maryam nawaz, fazal ur rahman, rahman malik. danyal aziz, khawaja asif etc are in command nothing good should be expected.
last but not the least start thinking about the whole muslim world and not just about pakistan and then you may come to the right track. if you cant fight against the oppressor then at least act as arbiter between the two parties as instructed in Quran. but if you side with the oppressor then you will get riyals only and should forget the blessings of Allah.

 

[Malik Alpha]

This is the second most stupid statement coming from PTI on Pakistan's strategic foreign policy. First When Erdogan was coming to give speech in Parliament they boycott it and then days later they ended their boycott and now this pathetic statement meddling in the strategic affairs of Pakistan. I used to support PTI like anything but these dumb fks are ruining our image among brotherly countries.

 

[MAJ ZARAR]

It's childish of IK gang
They should be giving advises to GRS

 

[simple Brain]

please read history of ghazwa e ahzab in quran if you are a muslim. if you are not then forget my post.

Alhamdullilah I am a devoted Muslim, but what does my counter statement has to do with Ghazwa e Ahzaab, and I am quite well aware of Ghazwa e Ahzaab also called Ghazw e Khandak, but please explain it to me, what am I missing in here, I want to know what you know already, it's a humble request.

 

[imadul]

please read history of ghazwa e ahzab in quran if you are a muslim. if you are not then forget my post.


i thought about it but today there is no single country in the world where true islam exists as it should be. true muslims exist in isolation in this vast sea of so called muslims who are either extremists , liberals or materialistic. you cant find state of madina of the time of the Prophet Muhammad SAW anywhere on earth. muslims left their islam may be 500 yrs ago. another reason why i am in pakistan is that i still have some hope as many of the sufis and saints have spoken about this piece of land. even shiekh imran who openly calls pakistani military and political elite as the prostitu*e of the world said that if there is chance of start of khilafa state for muslims then it can be from pakistan but for this first the corrupt , US puppets from the pakistan must be thrown out. till the time people like zardari, nawaz sharif, bilawal bhutto, maryam nawaz, fazal ur rahman, rahman malik. danyal aziz, khawaja asif etc are in command nothing good should be expected.
last but not the least start thinking about the whole muslim world and not just about pakistan and then you may come to the right track. if you cant fight against the oppressor then at least act as arbiter between the two parties as instructed in Quran. but if you side with the oppressor then you will get riyals only and should forget the blessings of Allah.

I think true muslim is a wrong term. Everyone who says he/she Muslim is legally a "Muslim". Then you have Mumin which is a struggle and a process. Similarly Madina is also an ideal, coming close to that is also a process.
You cant blame just th rulers. People get kind of rulers what they actually are.
Sheikh Hossein has good knowledge but he can make mistakes in interpretation and his conclusions are not laws.

 

[Fledgingwings]

PTI lawmaker mean by who exactly????