Prove your loyalty to Kashmiri Muslims

[SuvarnaTeja]

Often we see Indian members here claiming that they oppose Sanghis but remain silent when it is time to talk about the aspirations of the Kashmiri Muslims.

We cannot be ambivalent in our stance.

We need to call a spade a spade.

Kashmiri Muslims need their freedom from the Hindu India.

@Joe Shearer @jamahir @Naofumi @xeuss @DrJekyll

 

[waz]

Just because they oppose the Sanghi rot doesn’t mean they would want Kashmir to leave India.
It’s not black and white.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Erm…..
Just because they oppose the Sanghi rot doesn’t mean they would want Kashmir to leave India.

No. We cannot be hypocrites.

We need people to take clear stance.

Either they are with the Sanghis or with the Kashmiri Muslims.

 

[Paitoo]

I usually don't respond to posts like these, but let me make it clear -

I want Kashmir to stay with India. I would like to believe that a Muslim majority state can live inside the Indian union. Not just live, but become the best state in the country. Kashmir needs to be demilitarized and armed forces restricted to LOC. Law and order should be handed to local police and we should trust them to do the job. Free and fair assembly elections should be held at the earliest. Kashmiris need their dignity back.

Now regarding what you think of me or my hypocrisy, I don't give flying F.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

I usually don't respond to posts like these, but let me make it clear -

I want Kashmir to stay with India. I would like to believe that a Muslim majority state can live inside the Indian union. Not just live, but become the best state in the country. Kashmir needs to be demilitarized and armed forces restricted to LOC. Law and order should be handed to local police and we should trust them to do the job. Free and fair assembly elections should be held at the earliest. Kashmiris need their dignity back.

Now regarding what you think of me or my hypocrisy, I don't give flying F.

It does not matter what you want. Who cares about your

Kashmiris wants independence and yes you are a hypocrite for not supporting their aspirations.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Often we see Indian members here claiming that they oppose Sanghis but remain silent when it is time to talk about the aspirations of the Kashmiri Muslims.

We cannot be ambivalent in our stance.

We need to call a spade a spade.

Kashmiri Muslims need their freedom from the Hindu India.

@Joe Shearer @jamahir @Naofumi @xeuss @DrJekyll

I am calling a spade a spade. We cannot turn in our tracks every twenty years or so, as a new trend comes up.

At the time of independence, it was clearly understood that India had set out to be a secular democratic republic and that people of all religions would be given complete parity in their residence in India. Today, 75 years later, a virulent set of political Hindus has created a completely unhealthy atmosphere in the country, creating hatred against one section of the population for their own political gains. Should we change?

What you are suggesting is playing to the gallery. Put a sock in it.

Just because they oppose the Sanghi rot doesn’t mean they would want Kashmir to leave India.
It’s not black and white.

Not only is this not a binary, it is unrelated. The solution lies in treating citizens of India living in Kashmir as full-fledged citizens of India, and not giving them treatment that would just as much split any other state from its union with the country.

You saw the results when Modi tried his antics in the Bengal elections. If they try to impose those measures that they think will appeal to their captive vote bank in Bengal or in Telangana, they know very well that there will be an explosion.

It is time that they, and every other party that has formed a government at the centre, stopped interfering with the local administration and the politics within Kashmir and stayed out, and minded their own business.

 

[Joe Shearer]

No. We cannot be hypocrites.

We need people to take clear stance.

Either they are with the Sanghis or with the Kashmiri Muslims.

Quite right.

We cannot be hypocrites.

We cannot pretend to be anti-Sanghi, and hang our laundry on that peg.

The essential question about Indians facing the Sangh Parivar is whether or not there should be equality for all religions in India, or not. The matter is stark and simple. Pretending that other issues are mingled with this is the hypocrisy that you are complaining about.

It does not matter what you want. Who cares about your

Kashmiris wants independence and yes you are a hypocrite for not supporting their aspirations.

You need to ask yourself - who cares about your opinion?

 

[Flash_Ninja]

I usually don't respond to posts like these, but let me make it clear -

I want Kashmir to stay with India. I would like to believe that a Muslim majority state can live inside the Indian union. Not just live, but become the best state in the country. Kashmir needs to be demilitarized and armed forces restricted to LOC. Law and order should be handed to local police and we should trust them to do the job. Free and fair assembly elections should be held at the earliest. Kashmiris need their dignity back.

Now regarding what you think of me or my hypocrisy, I don't give flying F.

Its becoming more and more likely that India will impose a 'settler' type policy to shift the demographics in Kashmir so I dont understand this viewpoint. Surely the best way to give Kashmiris their dignity is to respect their wishes for a referendum and let them decide their own future.

 

[wali87]

What does it matter. The government and our current top brass has already given up Kashmir to the Indians. The time to act was when Indians absorbed IOK but all our side did was pay a lip service and that was that.
What they should’ve done was armed and supported the Kashmiri freedom fighters with atleast RPGs, recoiless rifles and ieds. Increase their monthly casualties average to 100-200 and then see things change. Afterall, the bloodee Indians are killing our soldiers in Balochistan even tho thats our province. but like I said the current top brass is too busy playing politics and filling their pockets. So what’s the point of these useless polls.

 

[bababho]

Often we see Indian members here claiming that they oppose Sanghis but remain silent when it is time to talk about the aspirations of the Kashmiri Muslims.

We cannot be ambivalent in our stance.

We need to call a spade a spade.

Kashmiri Muslims need their freedom from the Hindu India.

@Joe Shearer @jamahir @Naofumi @xeuss @DrJekyll

There is no Hindu India & there is no land under occupation,
There are some misguided folks under influence of our neighbour for their interests

If 90L Muslims can live happily in Kerala then I do-not see any point in Kashmiri movement based on religion

 

[MultaniGuy]

I usually don't respond to posts like these, but let me make it clear -

I want Kashmir to stay with India. I would like to believe that a Muslim majority state can live inside the Indian union. Not just live, but become the best state in the country. Kashmir needs to be demilitarized and armed forces restricted to LOC. Law and order should be handed to local police and we should trust them to do the job. Free and fair assembly elections should be held at the earliest. Kashmiris need their dignity back.

Now regarding what you think of me or my hypocrisy, I don't give flying F.

I somewhat amused by your comment. It is not just about the Kashmiris, it is about resolving the Kashmir dispute.

Plebiscite is supposed to happen to settle the dispute.

What is the alternative to solving this territorial dispute according to the United Nations in a fair or just manner.

Its becoming more and more likely that India will impose a 'settler' type policy to shift the demographics in Kashmir so I dont understand this viewpoint. Surely the best way to give Kashmiris their dignity is to respect their wishes for a referendum and let them decide their own future.

Plebiscite is the fairest way to resolve the matter. Even Sir Owen Dixon gave that advice as well.

 

[Last starfighter]

I usually don't respond to posts like these, but let me make it clear -

I want Kashmir to stay with India. I would like to believe that a Muslim majority state can live inside the Indian union. Not just live, but become the best state in the country. Kashmir needs to be demilitarized and armed forces restricted to LOC. Law and order should be handed to local police and we should trust them to do the job. Free and fair assembly elections should be held at the earliest. Kashmiris need their dignity back.

Now regarding what you think of me or my hypocrisy, I don't give flying F.

What a complete ****

 

[Paitoo]

Its becoming more and more likely that India will impose a 'settler' type policy to shift the demographics in Kashmir so I dont understand this viewpoint. Surely the best way to give Kashmiris their dignity is to respect their wishes for a referendum and let them decide their own future.

Maybe that's what the current government wants, but I don't see it happening. In every state in India, the original ethnic group(s) continue to be numerically and politically dominant after 75 years. Kashmir is not only remote, it has nothing to offer to the new generations of Indians in terms of employment to aspire and settle there. Besides, non Kashmiris will always fear for their security, at least enough to not get invested there.

To assuage this feeling of being run over by non Kashmiris, we can even bar non Kashmiris from buying property there. I believe this was the rule even in Himachal and Goa until recently.

No Indian government, whether Sanghi, Congressi, Communist or Coalition is ever going to allow a referendum. It is better to work within this reality. It will amount to political suicide and I dare say even threat to personal security of the decision makers from extreme nationalist elements.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Maybe that's what the current government wants, but I don't see it happening. In every state in India, the original ethnic group(s) continue to be numerically and politically dominant after 75 years. Kashmir is not only remote, it has nothing to offer to the new generations of Indians in terms of employment to aspire and settle there. Besides, non Kashmiris will always fear for their security, at least enough to not get invested there.

To assuage this feeling of being run over by non Kashmiris, we can even bar non Kashmiris from buying property there. I believe this was the rule even in Himachal and Goa until recently.

No Indian government, whether Sanghi, Congressi, Communist or Coalition is ever going to allow a referendum. It is better to work within this reality. It will amount to political suicide and I dare say even threat to personal security of the decision makers from extreme nationalist elements.

If there is no Plebiscite, then how do you plan to resolve the Kashmir Dispute that fair and honest?

 

[Paitoo]

If there is no Plebiscite, then how do you plan to resolve the Kashmir Dispute that fair and honest?

Holding free and fair assembly elections is the first step. Almost impossible under the current regime. Rest of the points I have already covered in my original and subsequent post. LOC should be made an international border. Kashmiris on both sides should be allowed to visit each other easily.