Projected share of graduates with STEM* degrees across OECD and G20 countries in 2030 (KSA in top 6)

[AmirPatriot]

Not very accurate.

Population below the age of 30 in Germany: ~ 30%
http://www.bpb.de/wissen/X39RH6,0,0,Bev%F6lkerung_nach_Altersgruppen_und_Geschlecht.html

Population below the age of 21 in Saudi Arabia: ~ 60%
http://www.economist.com/node/21548973
http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/more-half-gcc-population-under-age-25

You're wrong this time. Like I mentioned before, in case of Saudi Arabia having all this educated people does not necessarily lead to success. They already have a highly educated work force but I don't see major improvements until now.

Saudi Arabia has a higher proportion of young people than Germany. But Germany still has more young people in raw numbers.

 

[The SC]

Thank you for making it easy for him to understand the reality, brother. However rest assured that his likes (found in abundance on this forum) won't understand anything. However it does not matter. The same people don't understand that the Arab world is home to the oldest civilizations and cities on the planet that were built by our world famous Semitic ancestors. The ignorance is enormous on their part. Science was basically created by our ancestors and perfected by them for millennia. Even during the Islamic age, Arabic was the equivalent of Latin during the Roman era and English of today in terms of lingua franca in the scientific community. To this very day most of the names of stars, galaxies etc. are of Arabic origin!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arabic_star_names

Imagine how the mighty have fallen that an aboriginal jungle dweller is writing posts like that! It is about time to get the house in order!

What's 500 years (let's say 800 years since the cancerous Mongol destruction of the most civilized city and empire on earth during that era - luckily that cancer was dealt with once and for all by us not long after - eternally grateful to Ibn Taymiyya (ra) and his wisdom on this front) of stagnation in 14.500 + years (Natufian culture - first sedentary culture on the planet and the culture that introduced agriculture) of incomparable recorded history? Not much. Interestingly, although not too surprisingly, modern-day Saudi Arabians show the closest genetic kinship to Natufian skeletons.

Recently a DNA study proved that modern-day Saudi Arabians (scoring the highest), Palestinians, Jordanians and Egyptians have the largest ancestral claim on the Neolithic civilizations that first appeared in Southern Levant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

Here are the DNA results from last year (2016)

https://plot.ly/~PortalAntropologiczny9cfa/1.embed?share_key=za9Lb3y1UX6nJRG9v4EXOL

Here is the entire report:

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/16/059311.full.pdf

That's not even mentioning the fact that Arabia and the Arab world is the second longest inhabited area on the planet outside of Ethiopia.

So let them lick a certain part as Maradona used to say:

@The SC

There is no doubt Arab nations are progressing in all fields of science, although it is still a bit slow, only the one who knows can see the progress in R&D throughout the Arab and Muslim world, in some places it is quite modest while in other places it is quite advanced, but the main positive is that it exists throughout..So, it is just a matter of time before reaching the scientific helm once again..

Yes but look at this forum. You'll see highly educated Saudis. Visit Western universities and you'll meet thousands of Saudis studying engineering, medicine, physics, chemistry etc. Where are these people now? Why can't Saudi Arabia use these people to achieve its goals? What are these people actually doing in Saudi Arabia? Do they have a job? Do they get financial support from the state? Why aren't they making innovative stuffs in KSA? They have the people, money and education already. That's what bothers me most.
I wish KSA would be a role model for the Islamic world but they're not - why?

Because KSA has just started, it has not been with NATO like Turkey.. for 50 years..
Saudis are doing very good, just take a look at some threads on KSA or visit the net and look for the achievements, it is quite impressive due the short time and the technologies involved, also KSA does not have 80 million+ population.. and whatever you'll find out, just consider it as a start..So yes Saudi have the money and they have recently decided to use it alongside their youth' brains.. so it is doing it big time now..

 

[dani191]

There is no doubt Arab nations are progressing in all fields of science, although it is still a bit slow, only the one who knows can see the progress in R&D throughout the Arab and Muslim world, in some places it is quite modest while in other places it is quite advanced, but the main positive is that it exists throughout..So, it is just a matter of time before reaching the scientific helm once again..


Because KSA has just started, it has not been with NATO like Turkey.. for 50 years..
Saudis are doing very good, just take a look at some threads on KSA or visit the net and look for the achievements, it is quite impressive due the short time and the technologies involved, also KSA does not have 80 million+ population.. and whatever you'll find out, just consider it as a start..So yes Saudi have the money and they have recently decided to use it alongside their youth' brains.. so it is doing it big time now..

you unevirsiteis is full of forigen workers resrearchers thats why they rank high

 

[The SC]

you unevirsiteis is full of forigen workers resrearchers thats why they rank high

Take a look at Western Universities and find out about Arab professors and researchers, you'll be stunned.. Anyway.. you will always try to demean Any Arab endeavours, because you are the typical Usraeli saying: Me and America are better than all of you.. but where are you without America?
And please do not answer!

Saudi Arabia has a higher proportion of young people than Germany. But Germany still has more young people in raw numbers.

Still a lot of those German youth will be used to take care of the ageing population and its needs.. that makes the difference in the remaining youth percentage.. Germany 30% youth over 80 million population with 70% ageing, and KSA 60% youth over 25 million population with 40% ageing.. make the calculations, and add the fact that the Saudi Ageing population lives within the family, while in Germany they need external help which drains a big proportion of youth to sustain them..

 

[dani191]

Take a look at Western Universities and find out about Arab professors and researchers, you'll be stunned.. Anyway.. you will always try to demean Any Arab endeavours, because you are the typical Usraeli saying: Me and America are better than all of you.. but where are you without America?
And please do not answer!


Still a lot of those German youth will be used to take care of the ageing population and its needs.. that makes the difference in the remaining youth percentage.. Germany 30% youth over 80 million population with 70% ageing, and KSA 60% youth over 25 million population with 40% ageing.. make the calculations, and add the fact that the Saudi Ageing population lives within the family, while in Germany they need external help which drains a big proportion of youth to sustain them..

where saudi arabia without oil?

 

[AmirPatriot]

Still a lot of those German youth will be used to take care of the ageing population and its needs.. that makes the difference in the remaining youth percentage.. Germany 30% youth over 80 million population with 70% ageing, and KSA 60% youth over 25 million population with 40% ageing.. make the calculations, and add the fact that the Saudi Ageing population lives within the family, while in Germany they need external help which drains a big proportion of youth to sustain them..

Did you even look at the figures? Do I have to post them here?

Saudi

Age structure: 0-14 years: 26.56% (male 3,835,472/female 3,644,041)
15-24 years: 18.85% (male 2,843,422/female 2,465,027)
25-54 years: 46.4% (male 7,401,654/female 5,663,769)
55-64 years: 4.86% (male 747,307/female 620,100)
65 years and over: 3.34% (male 478,244/female 461,237) (2016 est.)

Germany

Age structure: 0-14 years: 12.83% (male 5,317,183/female 5,040,664)
15-24 years: 10.22% (male 4,203,985/female 4,044,789)
25-54 years: 40.96% (male 16,721,667/female 16,345,911)
55-64 years: 14.23% (male 5,695,117/female 5,788,493)
65 years and over: 21.76% (male 7,709,799/female 9,855,184) (2016 est.)

People aged 25-64 do not need to be looked after. Some over 65s may need to be looked after. So there goes that "70% of the population need to be looked after". Didn't you read that and see how ridiculous it was?

And the whole point of the problem of an ageing population isn't that they need care, it's that they won't work.

 

[The SC]

Did you even look at the figures? Do I have to post them here?

Saudi

Age structure: 0-14 years: 26.56% (male 3,835,472/female 3,644,041)
15-24 years: 18.85% (male 2,843,422/female 2,465,027)
25-54 years: 46.4% (male 7,401,654/female 5,663,769)
55-64 years: 4.86% (male 747,307/female 620,100)
65 years and over: 3.34% (male 478,244/female 461,237) (2016 est.)

Germany

Age structure: 0-14 years: 12.83% (male 5,317,183/female 5,040,664)
15-24 years: 10.22% (male 4,203,985/female 4,044,789)
25-54 years: 40.96% (male 16,721,667/female 16,345,911)
55-64 years: 14.23% (male 5,695,117/female 5,788,493)
65 years and over: 21.76% (male 7,709,799/female 9,855,184) (2016 est.)

People aged 25-64 do not need to be looked after. Some over 65s may need to be looked after. So there goes that "70% of the population need to be looked after". Didn't you read that and see how ridiculous it was?

And the whole point of the problem of an ageing population isn't that they need care, it's that they won't work.

Can't you see how ridiculous is your comparison of 21.76% of over 65 for Germany with 3.34% for KSA?
obviously you have never lived in the west to know that most people over 65 are being taken care of and have their own housings, with restaurants and semi-hospitals all over the place.. just here around me I have more than 3 such huge housings for at least a thousand old age people 65 and over with more employees, nurses and support personnel than the aging persons.. working there 3 shifts..24 h a day, preparing food, handing medication and taking care, and this is in less than a square mile.. so go figure..

 

[AmirPatriot]

Can't you see how ridiculous is your comparison of 21.76% of over 65 for Germany with 3.34% for KSA?
obviously you have never lived in the west to know that most people over 65 are being taken care of and have their own housings, with restaurants and semi-hospitals all over the place.. just here around me I have more than 3 such huge housings for at least a thousand old age people 65 and over with more employees, nurses and support personnel than the aging persons.. working there 3 shifts..24 h a day, preparing food, handing medication and taking care, and this is in less than a square mile.. so go figure..

Dude, first of all you live in Canada so you aren't an expert on how people live in Europe. Weather in Canada is much more extreme than in Germany, so old people need more care.

Care homes exist obviously, but that doesn't mean everyone uses them.

Out of 16 million over 65s and 11 million over 55s, 2.5 million are dependent on care.

To claim these 2.5 million need over 5 million people (and they HAVE to be 0-24, as you say) looking after them is frankly crazy.

You cannot twist the figures to your liking. Germany has more going young people than Saudi.

 

[The SC]

Dude, first of all you live in Canada so you aren't an expert on how people live in Europe. Weather in Canada is much more extreme than in Germany, so old people need more care.

Care homes exist obviously, but that doesn't mean everyone uses them.

Out of 16 million over 65s and 11 million over 55s, 2.5 million are dependent on care.

To claim these 2.5 million need over 5 million people (and they HAVE to be 0-24, as you say) looking after them is frankly crazy.

You cannot twist the figures to your liking. Germany has more going young people than Saudi.

Who told you that.. I lived in Europe too And know first hand what I am talking about.. you choose the 0-24 category and leave the rest (you better chose 18-55 pool (where that HAVE came from? your own mind obviously).. you are just trying to justify your own opinion.. nothing against that but try to be realistic in your assessments..

 

[AmirPatriot]

Who told you that.. I lived in Europe too And know first hand what I am talking about.. you choose the 0-24 category and leave the rest (you better chose 18-55 pool (where that HAVE came from? your own mind obviously).. you are just trying to justify your own opinion.. nothing against that but try to be realistic in your assessments..

There is not 18-55 pool in the figures I found. Now you are trying to mess with the figures.

Seriously though, in what country on earth do 70% of the population need to be in care homes? You talk about realism but don't apply it to your own figures.

 

[The SC]

There is not 18-55 pool in the figures I found. Now you are trying to mess with the figures.

Seriously though, in what country on earth do 70% of the population need to be in care homes? You talk about realism but don't apply it to your own figures.

You can combine those pools, since 13 to 16 do not work usually.. so 18 to 64, and being a bit conservative about the figures I took 18 to 55 who usually are the active work force..
Who told you 70%, that is another one of your creation.. it is simple old people in the West need care, and that takes a lot of manpower depending on how large the old population is.. in the eastern countries the culture is different, most old people get cared for by their families.. is it that hard to understand..This might be beyond your understanding capabilities..but it is simple to figure out if you leave your biased opinion aside as well as your stubbornness to be right..even for things you do not understand..

 

[AmirPatriot]

Who told you 70%, that is another one of your creation

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Germany 30% youth over 80 million population with 70% ageing, and KSA 60% youth over 25 million population with 40% ageing.. make the calculations, and add the fact that the Saudi Ageing population lives within the family, while in Germany they need external help which drains a big proportion of youth to sustain them..

it is simple old people in the West need care

A minority of old people in the west need care, not every single old person.

 

[dani191]

it dosent metter you can have alot of engeenirs it what you do with them

 

[The SC]

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A minority of old people in the west need care, not every single old person.

That is your own creation.. try your best to hide it..
Actually it is a majority not a minority..

The U.S. and U.K.: Protestantism at play
Western cultures tend to be youth-centric, emphasizing attributes like individualism and independence. This relates back to the Protestant work ethic, which ties an individual's value to his or her ability to work — something that diminishes in old age. Anthropologist Jared Diamond, who has studied the treatment of the elderly across cultures, has said the geriatric in countries like the U.K. and U.S. live "lonely lives separated from their children and lifelong friends." As their health deteriorates, the elderly in these cultures often move to retirement communities, assisted living facilities, and nursing homes.

http://theweek.com/articles/462230/how-elderly-are-treated-around-world
http://theweek.com/articles/462230/how-elderly-are-treated-around-world
You might understand what I meant by reading the full article..

Anyway..keep on topic, or open a thread about this subject..since you are known to go off topic and derail thereads almost everytime..

The topic here is:
Projected share of graduates with STEM* degrees across OECD and G20 countries in 2030 (KSA in top 6)

 

[AmirPatriot]

That is your own creation..

I didn't create your post.

Actually it is a majority not a minority..

And of course you just say that with no facts or figures.

For example - the UK.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...rehomepopulationbetween2001and2011/2014-08-01

A grand total of 3.2%.

You are wrong (spectacularly so), and I am right. Again.

Now will you stop twisting reality, making ridiculous claims and relying on phoney reports instead of ones that actually make sense?

Anyway..keep on topic, or open a thread about this subject..since you are known to go off topic and derail thereads almost everytime..

You are the derailing troll actually. You are the one that started talking about care homes.

So stop derailing, troll.