Procurement of new aircraft in PAF

[Gryphon]

S-400s are potent systems but there are more than adequate countermeasures. Will be circumvented same way the S-300s were circumvented. Besides, the Chinese field the S-400 and PAF can train against it there and sharpen countermeasures.

It’s not insurmountable as is claimed. Definitely not a one-way ticket as you suggested

Americans have personnel deployed at 2 PAF airbases to look out for any Chinese. PAF F-16s are not allowed to exercise with PLAAF.

Will the British or Europeans be any different ?

As far as countermeasures are concerned, what does the Typhoon possess to blind radars that aren't the pulse-doppler ones ?

 

[Falcon26]

Americans have personnel deployed at 2 PAF airbases to look out for any Chinese. PAF F-16s are not allowed to exercise with PLAAF.

Will the British or Europeans be any different ?

As far as countermeasures are concerned, what does the Typhoon possess to blind radars that aren't the pulse-doppler ones ?

My post was in regards to JF-17 & cruise missiles but also EW as countermeasures to S-400.

 

[Silicon0000]

Americans have personnel deployed at 2 PAF airbases to look out for any Chinese. PAF F-16s are not allowed to exercise with PLAAF.

Will the British or Europeans be any different ?

As far as countermeasures are concerned, what does the Typhoon possess to blind radars that aren't the pulse-doppler ones ?

Good Question? Why is Eurofighter is so much important? And What it have which we can't achieve with Jf17block3or4. And Which one would be better 1 EF vs 2-3 JF17 block3 ?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I wonder why does the PAF need a long range, 9000 kg payload fighter. Indians will finalize S-400 contract in a year or two and any 4 / 4++ Gen aircraft on the 'offensive' will be having a one-way trip. IMO, Pakistani military will rely solely on ground launched cruise missiles for any 'deep strikes' within Indian territory.

PAF chief mentioned that there are only Chinese and Russian options on the table (though I am skeptical of those claims). I am inclined to predict they will announce JF-17 Block 4 and trumpet those 50 Block 3 + 50 Block 4 aircraft as the counter to anything India will have by then.

In part, to counter those S-400s. The S-400 is a long-range and hi-level system, which in turn necessitates lots of low level (e.g. SPYDER, MRSAM) coverage to close gaps. Moreover, leaving the S-400 fixed in a place for too long will alert the PAF (and PA) to its location. If there is ever an opening, a large fighter can exploit it by releasing a lot in terms of SOWs (including ARM and ALCMs).

To be fair though, the future of such in land operations will fall upon 5th gen. The other part of a long-range heavy need is being able to provide maritime A2/AD, potentially over SLOCs.

We don't have much to spend, and don't have many options as well, what's your take on if we go for Chinese platform(J-series) and western E-suits.

Wouldn't matter unless export credit is available (or in Russia's case, countertrade).

 

[Centurion2016]

Good Question? Why is Eurofighter is so much important? And What it have which we can't achieve with Jf17block3or4. And Which one would be better 1 EF vs 2-3 JF17 block3 ?

Euro fighter would beat 3 Thunders imo

Superior twin engine speed & Agility
Much lower RCS
Far superior radar & incredible meterore BVR missles

THE KILL RATIO would be too one sided

THIS FIGHTER was developed to destroy the Flankers & MIG29

The Thunder would be at its mercy

 

[The Accountant]

Amd w

Euro fighter would beat 3 Thunders imo

Superior twin engine speed & Agility
Much lower RCS
Far superior radar & incredible meterore BVR missles

THE KILL RATIO would be too one sided

THIS FIGHTER was developed to destroy the Flankers & MIG29

The Thunder would be at its mercy

Whats the basis of your claim ? just nothing ... iif air engagement could happened like this then everyone would have retired his own planes and would have retired his old planes and would have opted for typhoon only ... I dont know why people live in a dream world ...

 

[Centurion2016]

Amd w

Whats the basis of your claim ? just nothing ... iif air engagement could happened like this then everyone would have retired his own planes and would have retired his old planes and would have opted for typhoon only ... I dont know why people live in a dream world ...

The logic is simple

The Captor radar on the Typhoon is five times the processing power of KLJ7 radar
The meteore BVR is 20 years ahead of the PL10 and is a ramjet missle
The TWR and engine power of the Typhoon is twice that of the Thunder

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING THE Typhoon can be taken out by a Thunder ?

 

[mingle]

Euro fighter would beat 3 Thunders imo

Superior twin engine speed & Agility
Much lower RCS
Far superior radar & incredible meterore BVR missles

THE KILL RATIO would be too one sided

THIS FIGHTER was developed to destroy the Flankers & MIG29

The Thunder would be at its mercy

Never underestimate ur enemy .

 

[khanasifm]

US also did not allow Turkish f-16 to fly with Chinese SU only older f-4 flew against them as they are no longer are in service except Turkish and Greeks so nothing New ??

 

[ziaulislam]

Euro fighter would beat 3 Thunders imo

Superior twin engine speed & Agility
Much lower RCS
Far superior radar & incredible meterore BVR missles

THE KILL RATIO would be too one sided

THIS FIGHTER was developed to destroy the Flankers & MIG29

The Thunder would be at its mercy

yeah but gripen (once inducted in IAF) and LCA (if inducted in any real numbers) will also beat typhoon and an f-16
your logic doesnt matter as its not based upon facts

 

[Mrc]

whats stopping Pakistan from getting couple of squadrons of chines flankers????

 

[gangsta_rap]

whats stopping Pakistan from getting couple of squadrons of chines flankers????

$$$$$$$$

 

[mrrehan]

Is PAF thinking about J-11 or this is just a good gesture during current exercise.

AVM Haseeb Paracha flies in a J-11 of the PLAAF.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The TWR and engine power of the Typhoon is twice that of the Thunder

Show me that EF-2000 has TWR is twice of thunder you knows nothing about aerodynamics of fighter jets here it is TWR of JF-17 and TYPHOON
JF-17

• Thrust/weight: 0.95 [183], 1.09 (with 50% internal fuel + 2 x SRAAM)

EF2000 typhoon
Thrust/weight: 1.15 (interceptor configuration)[390][405]

EF-2000 has a slightly better TWR than thunder, sorry to burst your bubble kid,and remember that they are in the different class of jets, EF-2000 stand in the category of (MEDIUM TO HEAVY) whereas JF-17 stand in the category of (LIGHTWEIGHT)

 

[The Accountant]

The logic is simple

The Captor radar on the Typhoon is five times the processing power of KLJ7 radar
The meteore BVR is 20 years ahead of the PL10 and is a ramjet missle
The TWR and engine power of the Typhoon is twice that of the Thunder

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING THE Typhoon can be taken out by a Thunder ?

In real world do we have one to one fight ? Most likely scenario JF17 thunder will have support from AWACS, ground radars, data links and its a competition of 3 vs 1 (as stated by you) ...

No matter 5 times processing power , as both thunder and typhoon will already have the exact location of each others and will have liberty to attack from three different directions ... The difference is there but the way you are exaggerating is far from reality ...

SD10A is no doubt inferior to meteore, but the difference in kill probability is marginal, now in a situation where three BVR missiles are coming from three directions the only thing typhoon could do is to engage one or two aircrafts at max but really typhoon will have no scape zone ... You are forgetting it is not 4th generation vs 3rd generation like most of the kill associated with American F15s, Thunder is also 4th generation aircraft infact blk 3 will be 4++ ...

I would in 2 vs 1 scenario plus other support equipment it will be a tough fight and anyone can win but for sure 3 to 1 fight will be in favour of thunders, where one on one which is highly unlikely thunder is going to loose ...