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WB cancels loan

KARACHI, Oct 27: The World Bank has withheld payment on a $300 million programme meant to support Pakistan’s ailing economy and announced that the loan had been cancelled, a BBC report said on Monday.

Citing an announcement posted on the bank’s website, the report said the money was specifically meant to stabilise Pakistan’s economy.

It quoted a finance ministry official as saying that the International Monetary Fund had objected to the programme as, it argued, the World Bank had no authority to approve such a loan.

The report said the World Bank’s unexpected move was likely to hurt the ‘Plan B’ outlined by the prime minister’s adviser, Shaukat Tareen. The plan aimed at raising $4 billion over the next month from international donor. The cancellation forced him to activate his ‘Plan C’ and seek funds from the IMF.—Dawn Report
here we go, now WB dont give us a peny?
why dont our COAS simply ask , our respected president to give, his 60 million US dollars, on loan to pakistan?:tup::lol:
 
Pakistan should consult with countries like Iceland, South Korea, which are facing a similar situation, though for different reasons.

Are there any decent articles out there on why Pakistan's government is on the verge of bankruptcy?
 
Pakistan should consult with countries like Iceland, South Korea, which are facing a similar situation, though for different reasons.

Are there any decent articles out there on why Pakistan's government is on the verge of bankruptcy?

Dear Flintlock; sir
thanks for post, i can find a lot of artical's on the subject! but i have just few words for you, DAM US SPONSORED ! DEMOCRACY?:hitwall::agree:
i guss, you can enjoy this?

Asif’s credibility questioned: Senate denounces missile attack

By Raja Asghar
Dawn.com
October 28, 2008 Tuesday Shawwal 28, 1429



ISLAMABAD, Oct 27: Both foes and friends raised questions about President Asif Ali Zardari’s credibility as the Senate began debating his last month’s address to parliament on Monday, after demanding “more effective measures” by the government to stop US drone attacks on tribal areas.

A demonstration of consensus in passing a strongly-worded resolution that condemned frequent deadly missile attacks by US-led forces in Afghanistan against perceived militant hideouts proved short-lived after a former federal minister launched an attack on the president by accusing him and the PPP-led coalition government of violating pledges made in his Sept 20 address to a joint session of the two houses of parliament.

Leader of House Raza Rabbani put up a vociferous defence soon after Senator Nisar A. Memon of the PML-Q, one-time confidant of former president Pervez Musharraf, opened the opposition attack, rejecting charges of a disregard of parliament, of political vengeance and undermining national interests in foreign relations such as with India and the United States.

But what appeared to be an early damage-control move by Mr Rabbani, who also warned Mr Musharraf of unspecified if he dared to enter politics, failed to stop even the coalition ally Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (JUI) and half-ally Pakistan Muslim League-N (PML-N) from pointing out the president’s broken promises about restoration of the deposed judges and a perceived delay in stripping the presidency of its controversial powers.
The attack on the former president came in response to Mr Memon’s allegations that the government was trying to interfere in the PML-Q affairs by seeking to change its leadership and unconfirmed newspaper reports of possible moves to induct Mr Musharraf as the head of the formerly ruling party that he helped form before the 2002 elections.
“If he (Musharraf) any such policy in his mind then he should be ready to face the consequences … of his crimes against the people of Pakistan and the Constitution … and face the two-year ban” (for retired government servants to seek an elected public office),” Mr Rabbani said.

Such a move, he said, would an attempt to reverse the verdict of people in the Feb 18 election that, he added, “people of Pakistan will not allow to happen”.:tsk::lol:
He said the Musharraf government had capitulated in the aftermath of 9/11 while “we corrected” the situation.:lol::lol::rofl::hitwall:
PML-N parliamentary group leader in the Senate Ishaq Dar, whose party quit the ruling coalition in August mainly over Mr Zardari’s failure to honour his commitment as the PPP leader for restoration of the judges, said it was “still not late” to restore the pre-Nov 3 judiciary.

He also called for an early implementation of the president’s call for the formation of an all parties’ parliamentary committee to slash presidential powers as contemplated by the famous Charter of Democracy signed by the assassinated PPP leader Benazir Bhutto and PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif in 2006.

Mr Dar, who briefly remained served as finance minister in the coalition government, rejected Mr Memon’s remarks blaming the present economic crisis on the coalition, which he said only inherited a “gross mess” from the previous regime as the second most serious challenge after terrorism and the second of its kind after one the country faced following its 1998 nuclear detonations.

He said Pakistan seemed to be “re-trapped” by what he called a western agenda to disintegrate it and urged the government to seek home-grown solutions rather than opt for IMF conditions for a bailout and warned against the “disaster” of raising grain prices to international levels with so low per capita income.Coalition ally ANP’s parliamentary leader Mohammad Adeel praised Mr Zardari for offering to have his powers curtailed, but said it was now for the government to bring constitutional amendments.

But he regretted the alleged disregard of Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani’s directives for austerity by his ministers such as for the use of maximum 1600cc cars and ended his speech with a complaint about the absence of any mention of nationalist leaders like the late Abdul Ghaffar Khan in Mr Zadari’s speech and a rhetoric warning: “If there will be no mention of nationalist leaders, we will never accept Pakistan’s history.”

The treasury benches were particularly piqued by a biting criticism from an otherwise suave JUI Senator Liaqat Ali Bungalzai who changed a famous couplet of poet Ghalib to express his lack of trust in the president because of the promises “we are still waiting” to be fulfilled.

Mr Rabbani earlier said that Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi had informed him that the US ambassador in Islamabad would be called to the foreign ministry for lodging a protest over drone attacks before presenting the resolution that only “strongly” condemned what it called “missile attacks by US drones in Pakistani territory resulting in immense loss to life”, but said nothing about the presence of foreign militants stated to be targets of such attacks.

The resolution called such attacks as “most unfortunate” that “constitute a gross violation of our national sovereignty and territory” and said “continued incursions into Pakistan’s territory are harming the government’s efforts to seek a political solution though dialogue”.

It said the house regarded such steps as “efforts to undermine” parliament’s unanimous resolution on the issue in a recent in-camera session and declared that “attacks inside Pakistan territory are unacceptable and the government should take more effective measures to stop them”.

It called upon the government to convey Pakistan’s “strong protest to the US and Nato/Isaf authorities and seek assurances for full respect of Pakistan’s sovereignty”.
 
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WB cancels loan

KARACHI, Oct 27: The World Bank has withheld payment on a $300 million programme meant to support Pakistan’s ailing economy and announced that the loan had been cancelled, a BBC report said on Monday.

Citing an announcement posted on the bank’s website, the report said the money was specifically meant to stabilise Pakistan’s economy.

It quoted a finance ministry official as saying that the International Monetary Fund had objected to the programme as, it argued, the World Bank had no authority to approve such a loan.

The report said the World Bank’s unexpected move was likely to hurt the ‘Plan B’ outlined by the prime minister’s adviser, Shaukat Tareen. The plan aimed at raising $4 billion over the next month from international donor. The cancellation forced him to activate his ‘Plan C’ and seek funds from the IMF.—Dawn Report
here we go, now WB dont give us a peny?
why dont our COAS simply ask , our respected president to give, his 60 million US dollars, on loan to pakistan?:tup::lol:

Not sure who Mr. Tareen is trying to fool here? From the get-go, these guys knew that IMF was coming. Now all the reports and interviews are being used to make the IMF landing in Pakistan as soft as possible. You don't go to Friends of Pakistan without knowing what the prevailing mood is. It is stupid to announce that we need X amount and we will get it from our friends without first doing the leg work and contacting them behind the scenes in advance. Overall an indication of clueless idiots not knowing how to approach this issue.

Pakistan's problem is not the potential, its the lack of confidence in the economic advisers and implementors here under Mr. Zardari's government. I have a feeling that even this IMF intervention would be a wasted opportunity as the problem is implementation. All the money in the world cannot help Pakistan when in a country of 160 million people, only 2 percent pay direct taxes.
 
Not sure who Mr. Tareen is trying to fool here? From the get-go, these guys knew that IMF was coming. Now all the reports and interviews are being used to make the IMF landing in Pakistan as soft as possible. You don't go to Friends of Pakistan without knowing what the prevailing mood is. It is stupid to announce that we need X amount and we will get it from our friends without first doing the leg work and contacting them behind the scenes in advance. Overall an indication of clueless idiots not knowing how to approach this issue.

Pakistan's problem is not the potential, its the lack of confidence in the economic advisers and implementors here under Mr. Zardari's government. I have a feeling that even this IMF intervention would be a wasted opportunity as the problem is implementation. All the money in the world cannot help Pakistan when in a country of 160 million people, only 2 percent pay direct taxes.

very hounrable blain2; sir
This is not going to work, even we get money from our so "called friends of pakistan"+ IMF , cause our politicians...have the hunger of money... ,i am sure even we can get the whole money of the world... our politicians.... can eat all!
i would like to agree with your point sir, but wana add a bit , that its a responsibillty of our COAS , kick the btts of these politicains, stop all this crazy democracy, announce militry intervention, announce a revolution with basiss of socialism, islam, or a mix of them, limit the "war of terror" just to our intersts, inside our own borders, what is happening in afghanistan, we dont care, no more attacks on our tribal areas, no more talibans,death for any one trying to use islam, for himself!
thats it....:agree:
 
Mr Dar, who briefly remained served as finance minister in the coalition government, rejected Mr Memon’s remarks blaming the present economic crisis on the coalition, which he said only inherited a “gross mess” from the previous regime

Pakistanis at their best...lets keep on passing the buck..no wonder the economy is rudderless. Ishaq Dar was the most useless, short-term, finance minister of Pakistan. He let things go to the $hitter while he followed his party line and sat out of Economic commission's meetings when he should have taken the bull by its horns and made policy decisions.

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Pakistanis at their best...lets keep on passing the buck..no wonder the economy is rudderless. Ishaq Dar was the most useless, short-term, finance minister of Pakistan. He let things go to the while he followed his party line and sat out of Economic commission's meetings when he should have taken the bull by its horns and made policy decisions.

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Dear blain2; sir
another good news, JOE BIDEN has been chosen for HILAL-E-PAKISTAN!:rofl:
Well , ishaq dar is a personal, KHAZANACHI for NS, nothing more!:tsk:
 
Grapple tacklers vie for White House
Aaron Timms in New York
2008. The Sydney Morning Herald.
October 29, 2008


HOW would the foreign policy of an Obama administration differ from that of a McCain administration? The question is worth posing. Certainly, the theoretical divergences between the two candidates are stark. McCain is a classic realist in the style of Charles Dickens, Vittorio de Sica, and that Soviet bloke who painted the combine harvesters that time. Obama is more of a constructivist, in that he believes that, you know, dialogue is constructive, and whatnot.

At a practical level the differences grow. McCain supports the creation of a League of Democracies, which would pit democracies against each other in a home-and-away season of democracy slams, with the top eight left to fight it out for top spot in a sudden-death competition modelled on the Australian NRL's finals series. The Westphalian system, in this sense, would cede directly to the McIntyre system, and the axis of evil would succumb to the inexorable logic of the grapple tackle.

Transnational issues, by contrast, will take greater precedence in an Obama administration. The proliferation of celebrity chefs, text messaging while drunk, how to dress for climate change: these will all be addressed. In contrast to McCain, who places the accent squarely on state-to-state diplomacy, Obama places more of a focus on non-state actors, such as Ben Stiller, Drew Barrymore, and Jessica Alba.

Puns also promise to be an important tool of diplomacy in any Obama administration: where others prefer to deal with China along a spectrum from containment to engagement, for instance, Obama will place the accent of US-China relations more firmly on entertainment. "Ssup, China?" will be the opening US gambit for all high-level strategic dialogue between the two countries. Where appropriate, jazz hands will be added for emphasis.

Nothing better illustrates the differences between the two candidates than Iraq. McCain is in favour of staying there, but only because, as he recently said, "Baghdad is beautiful this time of year - the leaves are turning, there are more kebabs around, and the haunting, crepuscular autumn light gives a just-so quality to all the non-functional telecommunications towers." Obama, meanwhile, supports reducing the military presence in Iraq by recruiting a smaller size of soldier to the US armed forces. "You shrink the soldiers, you shrink the military commitment," Obama declared in August. "It's as simple as that." Rick Moranis has already been sounded out for a cabinet post by the Obama team, to no effect.

On North Korea the differences are similarly pronounced: McCain thinks Pyongyang would look better with even more concrete, while Obama supports engagement with Kim Jong-il for as long as possible, purely out of the desire to see a sequel to Team America. On Iran, both agree that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad could put a tie on. On the Taiwan question, both agree there should be one. On Europe, both have some unfunny travel anecdotes about Paris.:azn::coffee:
 
Tough IMF conditions difficult to accept: Asif
By Our Staff Reporter
DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD, Oct 28: President Asif Ali Zardari said on Tuesday the government could ‘ill-afford’ International Monetary Fund’s financial assistance with tough conditions.
“Time is running out and there is an urgent need for the ‘Friends of Pakistan’ to extend a helping hand,” he told Adviser to the British Prime Minister Simon McDonald who had called on him at the President’s House.
Mr Zardari, however, made it clear that Pakistan was not looking for aid, but needed friends’ help to enhance trade and economic and investment opportunities.
According to a Foreign Office news release, the discussion focussed on Friends of Democratic Pakistan Initiative, measures and options being considered by the government to address the economic difficulties, Doha Process, situation in the border region, Afghanistan and bilateral cooperation. The president highlighted the government strategy to handle economic issues, socio-economic initiatives to settle tribal areas, including the Benazir Card for every household, and negotiations with the IMF.
He stressed that the war on terror, which had its roots in other regional events, had now become Pakistan’s war and the country and its people were paying a heavy price that needed to be acknowledged by the international community.
Mr Zardari quantified how one incident of terrorism impacted the already turbulent economy. He stressed the need to identify the forces that were funding militants in this expensive war. He was not convinced that drug money could be the only source of funding.
The president informed the British official about the state of relations with Afghanistan and termed recent exchanges and developments such as mini-jirga a manifestation of growing understanding and forward movement in relations.

Mr McDonald conveyed greetings from Prime Minister Gordon Brown and said that he fondly recalled the president’s visit to the UK in September when they had a fruitful and candid exchange.:lol::disagree:
The British adviser was highly appreciative of the unanimous resolution adopted by parliament on government’s policy for tackling terrorism.:D
 
Pakistan needing loan in days: German minister
By Our Staff Reporter
dawn.com

ISLAMABAD, Oct 28: German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Tuesday that Pakistan urgently needed International Monetary Fund’s loan to avert an economic crisis and that European countries would come up with assistance after IMF’s involvement.

“I hope the decision is taken quickly. A loan in six months or six weeks will not help. It needs to come in next six days,” Mr Steinmeier said at a joint press conference with his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

Mr Steinmeier said Germany and some European countries were considering assistance for Pakistan, but they were unanimous that Pakistan should “first negotiate with IMF”.

Experts believe that IMF’s involvement would allay Europeans’ concerns about financial discipline.

He said negotiations would be speedily concluded, helping Pakistan overcome possible future economic difficulties.

Germany is assisting Pakistan in negotiations with IMF.

Mr Steinmeier also urged international community to assist Pakistan. “The international community needs to do what is required of it to do.”

The minister was here to assess priorities fixed by Pakistan ahead of the crucial mid-November meeting of ‘Friends of Pakistan’ in Abu Dhabi.

He said the possibility of setting up ‘a fund’ for bailing out Pakistan had been discussed with Pakistani leaders, adding that the matter would be discussed in detail in the ‘Friends of Pakistan’ meeting.

Mr Steinmeier said: “We intend to support Pakistan not only in fair weather, but also in stormy weather.”

Germany has decided to enhance Pakistan’s development assistance, but he refused to give any figures.:lol:
Foreign Minister Qureshi said he had sought Germany’s help in securing access to European markets for Pakistani goods and removal of anti-dumping duties and taxes. He said there was a consensus on upgrading bilateral relations for which he suggested regular meetings at foreign ministers’ level and initiation of strategic dialogue at foreign secretaries’ level.
 
Our dear President has declared that his assets are worth 1.8 billion dollars. Well these are just declared, no one knows about how much he has hidden.
 
Some people are viewing this "economic crises" of Pakistan as a blessing in disguise. Here is "another" view point on this crises.


This is serious.

If you know President Zardari, please take this article to him. Pakistan does not have to go to IMF and we do not have to service debt. This is an opportunity to spend our money rebuilding our economy and nation. Pakistan is trying to avoid defaulting so that the PPP government can stay in power, and so that while it stays in power, it can continue to borrow money. The real question here is: where is all the money going and why does Pakistan need to keep borrowing it? Let’s tighten our belts and spend the money we have to make a pro-Pakistan trade policy and creatively market Pakistan. We did it in the past eight years. We can do it again. Please don’t go to IMF. Please default. South Korea, Thailand, and Indonesia have done it. They have survived. So can we.

Pakistan is not going to default, because nobody will let it. That's too bad. Don't let the "economists" scare you. Default sounds like a dark, scary, doomsday scenario. Sovereign default sounds worse, like God's curse itself.

It is not.

"Sovereign" is the fancy term for country, used by the same loan sharks that milk pensioners to fatten their year-end bonuses (and who brought you Wall Street Meltdown 2008). Sovereign default is simply a country not making its loan repayments on time. It has happened to plenty of countries. They are all still around.

Ex-bankers and former IMF employees will never advise Pakistan to default because to do so would be counter-intuitive. It would be like expecting the PPP to undertake land reforms, or the Jamaat-e-Islami to be consistent about anything.

Advising Pakistan to default would represent an existential crisis worse than sovereign default. People would be forced to revisit the premise of their entire careers. We can't have that. So instead, we have experts from all around the world wringing their hands, loosening their ties and extolling the virtues of the "bitter pill" of yet another IMF program. The purpose? To avoid the "dreaded" default, at all costs.

Why is default such a "scary" thing, and why do countries go to extraordinary lengths to avoid default?

Countries try to avoid default for four reasons:

1. First, countries try to avoid default to save the country's reputation as a borrower in good standing—which means that they want to continue to borrow at rates that are favorable to them.

2. Second, countries try to avoid default to save their ability to participate in international trade freely—which means they fear having sanctions imposed on them for being poor managers of their affairs.

3. Third, countries try to avoid default to protect domestic banking and financial system—which means in essence that they want to protect the rich, because there aren't many poor folks with bank accounts.

4. And finally, the fourth reason countries try to avoid default is to save the government of the day from the disgrace of having defaulted.

Eduardo Borensztein and Ugo Panizza published an IMF working paper earlier this month that exposes one of the worst kept secrets in international development. They conclude that among all four of these reasons to avoid default, the most compelling, based on the evidence, is politics. They conclude that "The political consequences of a debt crisis seem to be particularly dire for incumbent governments and finance ministers".

In short, governments choose not to default because it is the politically expedient thing to do. The actual economic costs of defaulting, Borenzstein and Panizza conclude, are simply not that high. Moreover, another paper earlier this year (by yet another IMF economist, Ali Alichi), suggests that the only real reason that countries repay the sovereign debt that they owe is to continue to be able to borrow money.

In short, Pakistan is trying to avoid defaulting so that the PPP government can stay in power, and so that while it stays in power, it can continue to borrow money. The real question here is: where is all the money going and why does Pakistan need to keep borrowing it?

Most of the money is going to debt-servicing and to defense. The traditional response to unsustainable expenditure in Pakistan is to call for a cut in defense spending, while continuing to find a way to pay off Pakistan's loans. No one ever actually explains what they mean by cutting defense spending, which is why the conversation begins with a request to cut the defense budget, wanders into the patriotism of those demanding the cut, and ends with a straight-faced refusal.

No one expects Pakistan to compromise its national security, but it is not unreasonable to explore more efficient ways of securing the nation and the national interest. Far from a national conversation about spending priorities however, no one has gone so far as to even suggest a more traditional and hawkish view, for example, that the war on terror being waged by Pakistan's soldiers needs all the financing it can get, and that Pakistan's debtors will have to wait. An even more refreshing case to make would be to suggest that both debt servicing and national security are major drags on current and future generations, and that they represent much lower priorities than building infrastructure, fixing the police and delivering real education. What would a Pakistani government that was committed to those priorities look like?

For starters it would:

1. Stop hiring poorly qualified political workers to stack the deck for future election campaigns. Forget hiring another ten thousand jiyalas as teachers, to ruin another generation of children. Let's face it, Pakistan cannot grow teachers on trees, it doesn't have any teachers. It has to go out and hire the best Indonesian, Turkish, and Korean teachers. It has to bring them to Pakistan and put them to work. Pay them real salaries.

2. Hire the Emiratis that have designed Sheikh Mohammad's infrastructure revolution to do the same thing to Karachi.

3. Then go out and hire every willing CBM, FAST, GIKI, and IBA graduate out there, and make cops and municipal administrators out of them. Take ten of those supercops, give them Blackberrys, night-vision goggles, Humvees and some ammo and put them outside every school. Forget the entourages. Protect the schools.

4. Take the municipal administrators and tell them to get running water to those schools. If there's no well, and no groundwater, teach them how to negotiate deals, so they can buy truckloads of mineral water for the students, and their mothers. Get those kids and their families some clean water.

5. Make sure there are nurses and doctors at each school. Pay every Aga Khan University Medical School graduate twice what they would make as residents at Mount Sinai or Beth Israel.

6. Teach the kids their native languages, drop the grammatically dreadful and aesthetically murderous fake American accents and bring back the Pakistani accent to film, television, radio and to dinner parties.

That's the kind of expenditure that would explain indebting future generations of Pakistanis. It would explain deepening the pool of debt that Pakistan is drowning in. It would explain the helplessness currently being feigned by economic and political policy makers. In short, if Pakistan was borrowing money to pay for this kind of a social program, it would be hard to argue against it.

Instead, Pakistan is borrowing money to throw it into the same black hole that the money has been going into for at least a generation now. What has Pakistan got to show for almost forty years of sustained debt growth? Illiterate fanatics who can't pronounce the name of God are taking over Swat because the courts don't work. Drug lords and criminals posing as religious vigilantes are taking over NWFP because the cops don't work, can't work, and aren't allowed to work. The water in the taps all over the country is toxic. The teachers at the school can barely read. The ones that can spend more time in Lahore, Peshawar, Quetta and Karachi, at the civil secretariat looking for a transfer, than teaching their students whatever little they know. The students are at home watching Sanju Baba kill bad guys, and Jon Abraham seduce bad girls. The mullahs are making speeches they don't understand, to crowds that aren't listening, until they bring on the hate. Then everybody listens. The uncles and aunties think cheap Broadway rip-offs with racy costumes constitute a culture renaissance. Little girls in rural Pakistan meanwhile are being traded by remorseless jirgas, in the name of honor. The culture vultures hate Arabic, love Punjabi, and are addicted to broken English. The hawks want beef, the doves want b.hindi. And bankers want to loan Pakistan more money to finance the whole rot all over again.

It's time for Pakistan to start spending its money on people servicing, instead of debt servicing. Bigger and more successful countries have done this before including Indonesia, Russia, and Argentina. Pakistan loves to ape other countries. Now is its chance. Time to default.
 
Dubai talks with IMF conclude
By Anwar Iqbal and Mubarak Zeb Khan
dawn.com

WASHINGTON/ISLAMABAD, Oct 30: Pakistan and the International Monetary Fund concluded on Thursday their negotiations on a proposed macro-economic stabilisation programme for the country.

The talks that began in Dubai on Oct 21 focussed on a policy framework for a possible rescue package for Pakistan to help prevent an economic meltdown.

Pakistan will now send a letter of intent and a memorandum of economic and financial programme — technical jargon for a formal request for help — to the IMF in a week.

Once the formal request is received, the IMF will put it before its executive board, which is expected to take another week to finalise it.

If all goes well, the IMF may approve a rescue package by Nov 15, two days before a scheduled meeting of the Friends of Pakistan group formed in New York last month to help revive the country’s ailing economy.

Pakistan believes that IMF’s endorsement will have a positive impact on its allies as well and will encourage them to provide the much-needed economic assistance to the country.

Under IMF rules, a country is allowed to receive 300 per cent of its quota, which in Pakistan’s case amounts to about $4.5 billion. But Pakistan has asked for four to six times of the quota — between $6 billion to $9 billion —to meet its immediate needs.

A source in the ministry of finance in Islamabad said that most of Pakistan’s economic stabilisation plan had been agreed upon in eight days of talks in Dubai but a disagreement on one or two points was holding up the package.:undecided::what::azn:

Asked if the IMF was seeking a reduction in the defence budget and a raise in discount rate, the source said the issues were of sensitive nature and he would not like to discuss them at this time.:tsk:
“We have days to talk about these issues,” he said.

The issues will be discussed in detail with the president and the prime minister before a commitment is made. The Fund has in principle approved Pakistan’s plan, the source added.

On Tuesday, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters in Islamabad that Pakistan needed help in the next six days.

Mr Steinmeier said the IMF was willing to help the country, but President Asif Ali Zardari said Pakistan could “ill afford” IMF’s preconditions which would require a drastic reduction in the government spending.

Instead, Pakistan is seeking help from countries such as China, and Saudi Arabia that are sitting on big cash reserves of their own and have close ties to the country.:tsk::lol:
Islamabad believes that these traditional allies would soon overcome their reluctance and commit to help Pakistan at the Friends of Pakistan meeting in Dubai on Nov 17. The group includes China, the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
 
In my view its useless to talk about Zardari who familier as the top corrupt person, or even any one of our plitical elites, who can not reach upto the mark of "Legends". Let have a lil view on initial days of Pakistan, as after partition one of the several major problems, which the Government of Pakistan had to deal with:

The migration figure of eleven million, in the wake of partition, to Pakistan in between August 1947 to June 1948, only to highlight the fact that such colossal migration of a whole population has no parallel in the world history. We have seen the migration from Soviet occupation in the 80s into Pakistan and Iran from Afghanistan running into dome four million. There is the forced migration of Palestinian Arabs at the hands of the Israeli state, there is then the migration of people on a large scale in present day Balkan area when Muslims fled Serbian atrocities. There are some twenty-two cases of mass migration in different African states in the post-Second World War period. But none reaches the figure of eleven million, as was the case with Pakistan in the very first year of its existence.

Muslims were force to leave India and migrate to Pakistan, Six million coming in the first three months from Mid-August to Mid-October 1947, was designed to create on economic burden that Pakistan could not bear and should collapse, or the utter poverty and helplessness of the Muslims forced to come to Pakistan should result in problems of their proper management, provision of food and health aid and shelter. All this would lead to discontent and rioting in Pakistan, just established.

The finance, the assets were to be distributed between the two countries as per agreed formula. But the Indian Government delayed the payment of Pakistan's share of assets with the intention to create as much disorder as possible and aggravate the economic crises in Pakistan. The finances of the country, however, were so carefully and efficiently managed by the Government of Pakistan under the leadership of Quaid-i-Azam, so that in very first year Pakistan had a surplus budget - a performance, which was repeated in subsequent years.

At the time of independence there was a balance of Rs 4 billion in the Reserve Bank of India. Pakistan's share was Rs 1 billion but it was agreed to give 0.75 billion to Pakistan. The first installment of Rs. 200 million (Rs 20 crores) was paid to Pakistan. The payment of remaining amount was stopped on the advice of Sardar Patel. It was the worst situation which even Gandhi Jee mind it and kept fast till death and announced that he will not break his hunger strike till the release of amount to Pakistan. Thus, Indian Government was compelled to give another installment of Rs 500 million (Rs. 50 crores). However, remaining amount of Rs 50 million (Rs 5 crores) was never given to Pakistan.

They thought, this would lead to an economic collapse and Pakistan would become a failed state, such was the diabolic design of the Hindu zealots in India in the wake of partition. But they forgot the emtions and moral of muslims who just won the new country, they have 'Will' to win.

In that situation they are sevral 'Legends' came forward to help in survilanc e of Pakistan

The legends like:
Wali-e-Dakan Nawab Usman Ali Khan (late- died in Feb-1967), who has given Rs 20 Cror to Pakistan in 1947(when Gold value was Rs 100/12grms, which is now aprrox 25000/12grms) equal to approx Rs 50 Billion as of today in 2008.

Muhammad Ali Habib came to the aid of the nascent state "even before the Govt of Pakistan was ready to issue appropriate government paper" with a Rs 80 million loan when the Reserve Bank of India failed to deliver Pakistan share of Rs 750 million held by it.
It is said that Mohammad Ali Habib gave a blank cheque on Llyod Bank to the Quaid-e-Azam who wrote Rs 80 million in it. (An article in Habib Bank Golden Jubilee Presentation and a letter to the Editor in daily Dawn, September 11, 1991).

Sir AdamJee Dawood, have also contributed with huge sum of money(Sorry to forget exact amount) and refuse to even accept receipt for it, and there were many more secrificers.............!

In return, our leaders justified and honored by their responsible behaviors that; Mr. Jinnah got salary of Rs 01 as formality, while Prime minister Nawab Khan Liaqat Ali Khan despite of he was a 'Nawab' but even though he avoid any levish expenseand survived in a calculated way, which can also proved by an artical of (Brig) Gulzar Ahmed who said that, Prime Minister buy 'sugar' for home under quota of ration card, so once PM offer tea with out sugar to (Brig) Gulzar, as they have finished their personal ration quota.

Ex-Federal minister Sardar Abdul Rub Nishtar, couldnt even found a place for Practice as lawer when he just keft the ministry, and then one of his friend offered him a small table in his office for work. He even took 11 years to constract his own house.

Ex-Minister Dr. Ishtiaq Hussain Qureshi live on rent for year just to pay instalments of House building cost.

Ex-Prime Minister Ch. Rehmat Ali was only be able to construct half portion of his house.

There are lot of more examples which we all knows well from the history...........but can we find any single one fro the current politicia, bureaucracy and business community just to near to above stated legends.

What is the reason behind it that now we cudnt find any one like our past heros??? Is there our fault as a nation or wht????
 
Pakistan may need to take harsh decisions: Tarin
Friday, 31 Oct, 2008 | 09:08 PM PST |
DAWN.COM



KARACHI: Pakistan will raise interest rates if it believes that is a necessity to cut inflation, the country's senior economic adviser said on Friday, referring to an issue seen as contentious in the country's talks with the IMF.
Pakistan is reluctant to seek financial help from the IMF to resolve a balance of payments crisis, partly because it is concerned at the economic impact of IMF prescriptions which analysts said would probably include higher interest rates.
The International Monetary Fund has suggested that Pakistan would need to raise its benchmark discount rate, currently 13 percent, by 3.5 to 4 percentage points in exchange for financial assistance, a government official, who declined to be identified, told Reuters on Thursday.
Shaukat Tarin, the prime minister's top economic adviser, told members of the Karachi stock exchange that interest rates were under discussion with the IMF.
'If we believe ourselves that there is a necessity in doing whatever is required to bring down inflation, we will, obviously, have to take those harsh decisions,' he said.

The IMF and Pakistan are discussing terms and conditions of possible IMF assistance but Islamabad still hoped friendly governments would come to its financial rescue, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani told Reuters on Thursday.

Pakistan's annual inflation rate is just under 25 percent. Its foreign exchange reserves fell $400 million to $6.92 billion in the week to Oct. 25, out of which the central bank accounted for $3.71 billion -- less than the country's September import bill of $3.8 billion.
Pakistan has been in talks with the IMF in Dubai since last week. The IMF said on Thursday the talks in Dubai had been concluded and more discussions would be held in the next few days.
Tarin told stock market members his ultimate aim was to get inflation down to less than 5 percent. He declined to provide details about the IMF talks but said inflation had to come down so lending rates could be cut to between 7 and 9 percent.

The Business Recorder newspaper said on Thursday the IMF had informally agreed on a $9.6 billion stand-by agreement for a two-year period.

'ACT QUICKLY'
Analysts say that raising interest rates is likely to be the biggest bone of contention in the IMF discussions.

An IMF package often involves cutting government spending, raising taxes, accelerating privatisation, exchange rate flexibility and increasing interest rates.

The government official said Pakistan had asked the IMF to agree to put off any interest rate increase at least until January. Pakistan argues that inflation will fall by then and any increase in interest rates might not need be severe.

Pakistan's economic woes began before the global financial crisis set in but analysts say the crisis has compounded Pakistan's difficulties by making donors, trying to shield their own economies from the global financial storm, reluctant to step in.

Tarin told the Senate this week, other lenders were waiting for IMF endorsement of a plan for Pakistan before stepping in.

A group of potential donors known as the Friends of Pakistan is due to meet in Abu Dhabi on Nov. 17.

UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan said in Abu Dhani on Thursday, help was needed quickly.
'It will be important for the Friends group to act quickly to shield Pakistan from the worsening impact of the financial crisis,' he told a news conference.
 
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