No problem with US, India partnership, provided it doesn’t come at Pakistan’s cost: Khawaja Asif

[Tamerlane]

As the saying goes “It’s the economy, stupid.”

Is Pakistan wants to be taken seriously in this world it needs to spend the next 20 years developing the economy. When we have a $2-2.5 trillion economy then the whole world will be knocking on our doors for friendship.

It cannot be done by the generals. They have to go back to their barracks and allow legitimate civilian rule.

 

[PakFactor]

Whomsoever comes to power in Afghanistan, will prioritize interests of Afghanistan over that of Pakistan, this is logical. TTA embraced "Ummah sentiment" in Pakistan as a "survival strategy" for its benefit. Many in Pakistan were happy to see TTA's return to power in 2021. The Establishment expected from TTA to help dismantle TTP in exchange for its favors but TTA told Pakistan that this is not its fight. So much for the strategic depth.

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India can build rapport with TTA if it feels the need to.



How can Pakistan develop its economy by alienating the WEST?

War in Afghanistan was a litmus test for Pakistan on many counts and provided an opportunity to rebuild relationship with the US. Pakistan should have pushed for a solution that was acceptable to the TRIO. But Pakistan was too focused on preserving TTA.

Pakistan - US bilateral relationship is damaged and US has moved on to India. No country in the WEST is willing to provide economic aid to Pakistan in these trying times. No country in the WEST is willing to make significant investments in Pakistan like in India. Even GCC is offering much better deals and trade opportunities to India lately.

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Pakistan's economy has shrunk:

Pakistan Loses USD 7.15 Billion Due To Shrinking Exports, Remittances

Pakistan Loses USD 7 15 Billion Due To Shrinking Exports Remittances

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IMF has released funds for Sri Lanka and Bangladesh but Pakistan.

India is growing and moving forward on many counts while Pakistani continue to chest beat.

The Establishment continues to make policy decisions for Pakistan in pursuit of strategic depth. This is not how it works. Economy is developed with a well-calculated Foreign Policy and by empowering people.

What you pointed out is on the dot, and I agree, but sadly, many Pakistanis fail to see the reality. It's like the bird closing its eyes, thinking the cat in the room will not get it.

If Pakistan were a golden child, they would have already aligned bailout packages, but it's lingering. It's like someone doesn't want to read the memo.

Why they left doesn't really matter,, they left with their tails tucked between their legs is just a reality.

India lost 2 DECADES of planning and investment in Afghanistan


Pakistan has a political and knock on economic problem that is becoming serious and threatening our strategic interests

For decades, one way or the other through common religion connection , influence etc we have stopped or reduced the Muslim world a connection with India

India however is a 1.4 Billion overpopulated dump and that population attracts economic development,, is even with multiple multiple problems FDI is being attracted and their is growth inside India,, even though hundreds upun hundreds of millions are dirt poor and will remain so they have the base to make money


Now India is a horrendous toxic communal mess, if you follow efforts to on create problems within India you will understand the massive fault linea within india


Pakistans problem isn't our efforts in Afghanistan which were incredible,, it's that we are the 5 tg biggest country in the world and due to political engineering have not had stability and thus economic growth

We desperately need change, economic growth will come quickly as we in essence are underdeveloped,, but we desperately need political change



Outright ally would be Turkey, GCC, multiple Muslim countries within OIC

Pakistan has good solid relations with multiple states even in the west

The problem is you can't repeatedly create political problems within your own country and then turn up with limited things to offer always asking for support

Even if those countries are supportive of you they can see the political engineering at home and have little trust in the current system

Indians can come into Afghanistan any time; the Indian economy has grown leaps and bounds while you've stagnated. Calling India a shit hole doesn't solve your problems; your country is turning into a shit hole in the long run.

 

[Dalit]

As the saying goes “It’s the economy, stupid.”

Is Pakistan wants to be taken seriously in this world it needs to spend the next 20 years developing the economy. When we have a $2-2.5 trillion economy then the whole world will be knocking on our doors for friendship.

It cannot be done by the generals. They have to go back to their barracks and allow legitimate civilian rule.

These dumb generals have imported crooks. Do you expect PDM to transform Pakistan?

 

[Tamerlane]

These dumb generals have imported crooks. Do you expect PDM to transform Pakistan?

No, the Zardari and Nawaz families have to be eliminated from politics forever for Pakistan to progress. They only exist because the generals have protected them.

If there was rule of law in Pakistan they would have been in jail or in their graves a long time ago.

 

[SaadH]

This defence minster whose daughter lives in the US is threatening his master with other options. As if papa America is going to change its stance and listen to the defence minister of Pakistan. This servant is nothing but a minion lackey. His country is ready to default. His people are fleeing abroad. His country cannot secure a miserly billion dollars from a friendly country. Let's see what options this servant is threatening with.

His coalition boss Zardari practically paved the way for India to barge into the nuclear suppliers group by removing objection to it which had gained momentum by the efforts of foreign office. All this bombastic rhetoric is for public consumption a la Zardari/Gilliani telling Americans to keep bombing tribal areas and we will just condemned them.

No, the Zardari and Nawaz families have to be eliminated from politics forever for Pakistan to progress. They only exist because the generals have protected them.

If there was rule of law in Pakistan they would have been in jail or in their graves a long time ago.

Wrong, they are mere tools of the sepoys.

 

[hussain0216]

What was US plotting and planning? And what was India plotting and planning?

India was not willing to deploy its troops in Afghanistan while War On Terror made it possible for Pakistan to significantly improve its security regime and manage its economic situation with American support in the form of supply of arms and money flows. This improvement is very clearly apparent in the PAF's performance against the IAF in 2019 vis à vis 1999.

US assassinated a number of Taliban leaders and pushed Pakistan to dismantle all Taliban groups including TTP. But Pakistan chose to confront TTP only and this too intermittently.

The outcome:

- American support is gone.
- TTA rejected the Intra-Afghan Dialogue.
- TTP has recovered.

3. Pakistan had much better trade flows with the US-backed Afghan setup. Not anymore.

US and India can warm up to TTA as well. India is testing the waters already and TTA has invited India to complete its projects in Afghanistan. TTA will court Pakistan but focus on its interests in the long term. This is how it is.

Best of luck with trying to rebuild relations with the US. Americans will do bear minimum for Pakistan because extremism and terrorism continue to be pressing concerns in the region. Americans have found a much better alternative in India wherein they see a country with independent foreign policy and a huge market.

Pakistan has squandered a golden opportunity to rebuild relations with the WEST due to its paranoia.

The U.S wanted a permanent base in Afghanistan from where it could keep an eye on the region,, it had Iran to one side, Pakistan to the other, China and the Central Asian Republics and Russia

The U.S linking up with India to target China was already happening

Thus having both states on our western borders was intolerable

The Afghan Republic purposely and even vengefully was disregarding Pakistani security and strategic concerns a allowing and even openly aiding India in opening multiple consulates and intelligence gathering posts

The Afghan Republic itself contained major enemies that were reaching out to pashtun nationalists and inviting them over to Kabul the likes of Khattam, Dawar, Wazir went over and met afghani army officials, politicians, and Afghanis spy chief



The threats were MULTIPLE,, SIGNIFICANT AND LONG TERM



The U.S or even India may open up discussions with the TTA but it's never going to be to the extent it was under the Afghan Republic and we will be better able to manage it



Even now TTA has begun shifting TTP fighters and families to the North of Afghanistan


In order to trade we have to have something to sell,,our idiots have done everything to downgrade the Pakistani economy, their is no excuse for this

However we could not disregard Pakistani long-term Pakistani strategic interests whatever the costs

Everything else can recover, even now Pakistan is part of the supply network to Ukraine

What we cant recover from is the political clusterfcuk at home that needs to be resolved asap