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Pakistan has much improved, we are making christian holidays as national holidays, we are beginning to enact laws that protect and codify the hindu, Christian communities marriage, death rights etc

This is the flow of Pakistan the way we are headed



You need to wake up, india is headed in the other direction your forcing dietary requirements of one community on all, people are being lynched for what they eat, your trying to curtail the rights of minorities, horrendous fanatics are being elected into power

Your next great secular democracy battle will be claiming you have the birth certificate of your giant blue ram at Ayodya and thus must destroy a mosque

India is headed only one way, Jinnah was a genius


I am not interested with speculations, If you could revisit my last reply I've clearly asked a question taking into consideration the present situation, not where Pakistan or India are moving in future, future is full of mystery you may never know. But at present we are far better and in a good shape as a society than any of our immediate neigbhours (with an exception of few). :)

Regarding all the above law's and legislature's you mentioned, why not scrap the infamous "Blasphemy law" for a better start and at-least allow the alleged blasphemer's (victims) their rights guaranteed by your own constitution. :(

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/beleaguered-blasphemy-victim-suffers-more-bail-delay.483352/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/blas...il-by-supreme-court-after-three-years.475750/

FYI, I never disagreed that Mr. Jinnah (please make sure to address eminent personalities with some respect irrespective of their country or religion ) was a genius. :)
 
Drawing something to specifically attack someone's beleifs is completely different
If someone draws obe of your animal gods doing something insulting then your response could be a drawing

Exactly, there are guidelines and some thing which are holy

Some Hindu sects are vegetarian and they donot have problem with people having chicken/ meat

But Cow is holy, just like Prophet and Quran

One can tear a book but not Quran
One can draw cartoons but not of Prophet
Similarly one can eat animals but not Cow

Simple Logic !!!

we dont, the rest of the planet believe it is a cow where no hindu gods live

you are free to worship and rever it as much as you want but why are you forcing your religious dietary dictats upon muslims in a alleged secular democracy

Going by your logic,

Minorities donot believe in Islam in Pakistan, "Are they allowed to draw Prophet's cartoon ?"

forcing your religious dietary dictats upon non muslims
 
Exactly, there are guidelines and some thing which are holy

Some Hindu sects are vegetarian and they donot have problem with people having chicken/ meat

But Cow is holy, just like Prophet and Quran

One can tear a book but not Quran
One can draw cartoons but not of Prophet
Similarly one can eat animals but not Cow

Simple Logic !!!

Not really!

For you its holy mother cow

To me its just a big farting cow

You want to love it go ahead, but that has nothing to do with me, why are your religious diktats being forced on Indian muslims, why is a secular democracy forcing one communities rules on others

Going by your logic,

Minorities donot believe in Islam in Pakistan, "Are they allowed to draw Prophet's cartoon ?"

forcing your religious dietary dictats upon non muslims

Thats not equivalence, if I drawed your animal gods in funny poses then you can draw our prophets and I would be hypocritical to complain

I dont eat pig but you can, I don't care


Cow is just an animal the world over, same for us, you can love it but the hell do we have to?
 
Thats where I disagree with you. If your country guarantees certain rights and liberties to all people, it becomes necessary to dictate certain terms. One's freedom cannot override others by default.

If each one is to be treated equally, then you cann't have the situation in which Muslim can decide their own marriage and inheritance laws. Difference here from the 'beef' part is that it involves people and not animals. Do note that you can have an agreeable law to all, but certainly it will not be 'my way or highway' situation.

We do not trust Hindus to make laws that would be equitable to us.

Besides which, Hinduism and Islam have very different views on things important to us.

As such, in a deeply religious and polarized country like India, expecting common ground between Hindu and Muslim is Utopian at best.

Foolishness by any other name.
 
Cannibalism is known to every species under conditions of extreme hunger. Not normal. Very rare.

Besides, I want to eat a cow. Not a human. It's a choice thing.

Yes. It's not only my country. But this is not the Hindus' country alone either. We need to let everyone live without fingering unnecessarily.

And whether you guys agree or not, this is spiteful fingering. Nothing else.

You have an extremely poor understanding of democracy. What most Hindu goons carp about is majoritanism. That is not the same as democracy.

Cheers.

You are being stupid about it, it's about someone's religious sentimentality. Most slaughterhouses are illegal and most meat trade done in India is illegal without licenses.

Apart from being illegal it bodes on you "beef lovers" to be sensitive about the issue, everyday 5 in the morning loudspeakers at every sunni mosque blares out in some foreign language. .its highly disturbing and a major irritant and illegal ...but non Muslims put up with it..Because of the sentimentalities attached with it.

We do not trust Hindus to make laws that would be equitable to us.

Besides which, Hinduism and Islam have very different views on things important to us.

As such, in a deeply religious and polarized country like India, expecting common ground between Hindu and Muslim is Utopian at best.

Foolishness by any other name.

The constitution and the law has no religion....and you aren't even the victim here..You are the exalted minority vote bank.
 
Learn to read the flow

Pakistan has much improved, we are making christian holidays as national holidays, we are beginning to enact laws that protect and codify the hindu, Christian communities marriage, death rights etc

This is the flow of Pakistan the way we are headed



You need to wake up, india is headed in the other direction your forcing dietary requirements of one community on all, people are being lynched for what they eat, your trying to curtail the rights of minorities, horrendous fanatics are being elected into power

Your next great secular democracy battle will be claiming you have the birth certificate of your giant blue ram at Ayodya and thus must destroy a mosque

India is headed only one way, Jinnah was a genius

When Saudi Arabia beheads it does not make any news while a small molestation case becomes prime time news in US.

This does not mean human rights in Saudi Arabia are better than USA.

In the same way, a single death in India makes huge news that does not mean India is going down to the level of Pakistan.

Even a single death is unacceptable in India.
 
@adil_minhas

And add to this, the nonsense of halal meat. Many don't fancy the animals being tortured to death with their throats slit and left to bleed to death. A gentler way of killing would have been preferred ..but we have to put up with the halal nonsense because almost every butcher in India is a Muslim and we are forced to accept something that is Islamic. Nowadays, even online meat sellers have started selling this halal meat nonsense because Muslims protest about it. You don't see non Muslims complain about it, because we consider the sensitivities of Muslims.
 
Not really!

For you its holy mother cow

To me its just a big farting cow

You want to love it go ahead, but that has nothing to do with me, why are your religious diktats being forced on Indian muslims, why is a secular democracy forcing one communities rules on others



Thats not equivalence, if I drawed your animal gods in funny poses then you can draw our prophets and I would be hypocritical to complain

I dont eat pig but you can, I don't care


Cow is just an animal the world over, same for us, you can love it but the hell do we have to?


If Cow is just and animal for you, then Prophet is just a human for non Muslims/ Quran is just another book for Non Muslims. Then why having Blasphemy laws for some one who has drawn a cartoon which is just a human or mis-handled just a book.

Cow cannot be equated to Pork, because is pork is prohibited not holy (like Quran and Prophet)

You have no issues when other eat pork, Similarly Hindus have no issues when others eat chicken / goat (because it is prohibited but not holy)
 
If Cow is just and animal for you, then Prophet is just a human for non Muslims/ Quran is just another book for Non Muslims. Then why having Blasphemy laws for some one who has drawn a cartoon which is just a human or mis-handled just a book.

Cow cannot be equated to Pork, because is pork is prohibited not holy (like Quran and Prophet)

You have no issues when other eat pork, Similarly Hindus have no issues when others eat chicken / goat (because it is prohibited but not holy)

Prophet Muhammed may be normal to you, same as the Quran but he is the messenger of God to us and the Quran the word of God

Insulting him or attacking our book is going out the way to do so

I loath hinduism as near worthless Paganism but I dont go out of my way to draw cartoons about your animal gods, burn your gita etc nor would i expect others to do so to me


However cow is food,

Its food in Pakistan, its food in Europe
Its food across the world

We eat cow because its part of our diet, and having an alleged secular state force the religious requirements of one community upon muslims is an attack upon our freedom to live and eat as we choosh
 
@adil_minhas

And add to this, the nonsense of halal meat. Many don't fancy the animals being tortured to death with their throats slit and left to bleed to death. A gentler way of killing would have been preferred ..but we have to put up with the halal nonsense because almost every butcher in India is a Muslim and we are forced to accept something that is Islamic. Nowadays, even online meat sellers have started selling this halal meat nonsense because Muslims protest about it. You don't see non Muslims complain about it, because we consider the sensitivities of Muslims.
You should open a butcher shop and sale just non halal meat or sell it online.
Here in Bahrain some stores sell dog or pig meat they mentioned it clearly on the doors of shop.
So as Muslim I dont go there for buying meat. non-Muslims buy from them and I have no problem.
You don't have anything with halal or non halal.your problem is Muslim hatred only.
If shop want business from Muslims then that mistake of Muslims.they are trying force you eat halal.
Who force you eat halal.go buy jhatka.
Muslims have no problem.
 
May be the govt should look at feeding these Lions, terrorists who are caught or killed?
In one shot you take care of terrorist pigs and the lion gets a lot of meat to feed on.
 
@adil_minhas

And add to this, the nonsense of halal meat. Many don't fancy the animals being tortured to death with their throats slit and left to bleed to death. A gentler way of killing would have been preferred ..but we have to put up with the halal nonsense because almost every butcher in India is a Muslim and we are forced to accept something that is Islamic. Nowadays, even online meat sellers have started selling this halal meat nonsense because Muslims protest about it. You don't see non Muslims complain about it, because we consider the sensitivities of Muslims.

First of all, jhatka meat tastes like shit and is smelly as hell. There isn't even a debate on this. Meat lovers (not you puny little paneer and fafda munchers) say so.

Secondly, if butchers are predominantly Muslim (not) is it the fault of the Muslims? Please don't exhibit saffron logic here. Not the place or the audience.

Thirdly, businesses cater to the largest customer base. Hence the meat processing industry perforce goes halal. Worldwide.

Eat less fafda and put some meat on your little bones, maybe your local supermarket will have a jhatka counter too one day.

In 2075.

Cheers, and kudos.

Prophet Muhammed may be normal to you, same as the Quran but he is the messenger of God to us and the Quran the word of God

Insulting him or attacking our book is going out the way to do so

I loath hinduism as near worthless Paganism but I dont go out of my way to draw cartoons about your animal gods, burn your gita etc nor would i expect others to do so to me


However cow is food,

Its food in Pakistan, its food in Europe
Its food across the world

We eat cow because its part of our diet, and having an alleged secular state force the religious requirements of one community upon muslims is an attack upon our freedom to live and eat as we choosh

Back up there a bit mate.

How is the ban on beef in my country an attack upon your freedom to live and eat as you choose?

Kudos.
 
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May be the govt should look at feeding these Lions, terrorists who are caught or killed?
In one shot you take care of terrorist pigs and the lion gets a lot of meat to feed on.

The recently caught Islamic state terrorists in Kanpur and Etawah would be a good start.
 
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