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Calm down, he is banned anyway. Hope you had a good day, independence celebrations n' all.

We had a very nice flag-hoisting in the morning, where the gentlemen, standing in front, finished the national anthem at least ten seconds before the ladies, who were standing a little behind.

Right now, I am about to go for a long walk, because someone mentioned the Wagah ceremonies, and my blood pressure has gone shooting up.
 
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Glad to know. :) Take care of yourself. Long walks are always a delight but depends on the weather too.

Have a good time. :)

We had a very nice flag-hoisting in the morning, where the gentlemen, standing in front, finished the national anthem at least ten seconds before the ladies, who were standing a little behind.

Right now, I am about to go for a long walk, because someone mentioned the Wagah ceremonies, and my blood pressure has gone shooting up.
 
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We had a very nice flag-hoisting in the morning, where the gentlemen, standing in front, finished the national anthem at least ten seconds before the ladies


Oh..that must have been me! :P

Actually, the kind of language you mentioned is used by a couple of members on PDF and is aimed exclusively at Indian women.I have not seen this level of discourtesy being extended to other nationalities. And no matter who is being sworn at, poor Levina is always included as a matter of principle, even if she is nowhere on the thread.

I have to wonder what kind of homes these people come from and how their fathers treated their mothers! It can't have been normal.
 
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Oh..that must have been me! :P

Actually, the kind of language you mentioned is used by a couple of members on PDF and is aimed exclusively at Indian women.I have not seen this level of discourtesy being extended to other nationalities. And no matter who is being sworn at, poor Levina is always included as a matter of principle, even if she is nowhere on the thread.

I have to wonder what kind of homes these people come from and how their fathers treated their mothers! It can't have been normal.

I saw this for the first time today and was gobsmacked.
 
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@waz @Irfan Baloch @Oscar

https://defence.pk/threads/domestic-violence-man’s-legs-chopped-off-by-wife-sister-in-law.444331/page-8#post-8579167

Please reverse this negative one. I am presenting a link to a reputed Pakistani newspaper brothers. Is this breaking rules? The Dawn is your leading English daily. What other acceptable Pakistani source could I quote?

If the rationale is that it is off topic, then if you look back a few posts, I had already apologized (to turkey lover) and was wanting to move the discussion with @User bhai to Whatever. My post was only to @I S I post which accused me and came later. (As did User's.) To show that I was not trolling bu that what I was saying was being reported by your non-rag reputed media.
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_abuses_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/INDIA935.PDF

http://www.caravanmagazine.in/vanta...s-kashmir-shekhar-gupta-impunity-armed-forces

Why it is given rating of negative ?
@Joe Shearer @Horus @Spring Onion @DESERT FIGHTER @MastanKhan @Imran Khan

I can understand as Indian Mr Joe can not accept these facts but my question to PDF admin Is this too much of a bad comment to get -negative rating i protest against (not for rating like i care) but PDF should represent Pak point of view not some place where Indians can give rating which is against their own atrocities .

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/negative-rating-given-on-what-basis.444863/#ixzz4Hgpc5500
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_abuses_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/INDIA935.PDF

http://www.caravanmagazine.in/vanta...s-kashmir-shekhar-gupta-impunity-armed-forces

Why it is given rating of negative ?
@Joe Shearer @Horus @Spring Onion @DESERT FIGHTER @MastanKhan @Imran Khan

I can understand as Indian Mr Joe can not accept these facts but my question to PDF admin Is this too much of a bad comment to get -negative rating i protest against (not for rating like i care) but PDF should represent Pak point of view not some place where Indians can give rating which is against their own atrocities .

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/negative-rating-given-on-what-basis.444863/#ixzz4Hgpc5500

You are not only offensive, you are also duplicitous.

You did not get a negative rating for any of that. You got a negative rating for this:

dartman said:
I wonder about that. Usually, their response is something like burning people alive or simply shooting them in the face. This throwing stones is a fresh strategy.
Add Torture and Rape to it that will fully explain behaviour of Indian soldiers .

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/indian-f...-will-not-show-you-this.444688/#ixzz4Hh6030jx
https://defence.pk/threads/indian-f...-will-not-show-you-this.444688/#ixzz4Hh6030jx
What a dreadful creature you turned out to be, for sure. Concealing the offending post and pleading injured innocence.
 
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You are not only offensive, you are also duplicitous.

You did not get a negative rating for any of that. You got a negative rating for this:



Source: https://defence.pk/threads/indian-f...-will-not-show-you-this.444688/#ixzz4Hh6030jx
What a dreadful creature you turned out to be, for sure. Concealing the offending post and pleading injured innocence.


Sir, @volatile didn't deserve a negative rating just for stating a documented fact ....


Regional Sources indicate that more than 10,000 Kashmiri women have been molested by the Indian Army so far. And Indian Army is using Rape and Torture as deliberate military strategy to break the will of Kashmiri Resistance



"As the conflict in Kashmir enters its fourth year, central and state authorities have done little to stop the widespread practice of rape of innocent women by Indian security forces in Kashmir. Indeed, when confronted with the evidence of rape, time and again the authorities have attempted to impugn the integrity of the witnesses, discredit the testimony of physicians or simply deny the charges everything except order a full inquiry and prosecute those responsible for rape". (Asia Watch and Physicians for Human Rights, May 09, 1993)



"Since January 1990, rape by Indian occupation forces has become more frequent. Rape most often occurs during crackdowns, cordon and search operations during which men are held for identification in parks or schoolyards while security forces search their homes. In raping them, the security forces are attempting to punish and humiliate the entire community." ('Pain in Kashmir: A Crime of War' issued jointly by Asia Watch and Physicians for Human Rights, May 09, 1993)




"Despite pressure from League of Human Rights and other humanitarian organizations the Indian forces have not desisted from using torture and sequestration of political opponents and using methods that defy imagination." (Le Quotidien de Paris, September 05, 1992)


"The most common torture methods are severe beatings, sometimes while the victim is hung upside down, and electric shocks. People have also been crushed with heavy rollers, burned, stabbed with sharp instruments, and had objects such as chilies or thick sticks forced into their rectums. Sexual mutilation has been reported".
(Amnesty International, March 1992)



"Widespread human rights violations in the state since January 1990 have been attributed to the (Kashmir) Indian army, and the Paramilitary Border Security Force and Central Reserve Police Force."(Amnesty International, March 1992)




"The term "rape of Kashmir", is no exaggeration. India's Hindu and Sikh forces have adopted a concerted policy of raping Muslim women which is designed to break the will of the Kashmiri resistance... The world community should immediately bring political and economic pressure on India to stop behaving like a Mongol." (Eric Margolis, Sunday Sun, April 12, 1992)



"The worst outrages by the CRPF (Central Reserve Police Force) have been frequent gang rapes of all women in Muslim villages, followed by the execution of the men". (Eric Margolis, The Ottawa Citizen, December 8, 1991)



"While army troops dragged men from their homes for questioning in the border town of Kunan Pushpura, scores of women say they were raped by soldiers....a pregnant Kashmiri woman, who was raped and kicked, gave birth to a son with a broken arm." (Melinda Liuin, Newsweek, June 24, 1991)[Anthony Wood and Ron MaCullagh of the Sunday Observer (June 02, 1992)



estimated that over 500 Indian army men were involved in this orgy of rape and plunder in Kunan Pushpura Kashmir.]



"The security forces have entered hospitals, beaten patients, hit doctors, entered operating theaters, smashed instruments. Ambulances have been attacked, curfew passes are confiscated." (Asia Watch, May 1991)


"Sexual molestation, beatings, threats of violence, and electric shock are the most common forms of torture in Kashmir.” (Asia Watch, May 1991)
 
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please enlighten me with facts not fiction ,Did i say any thing wrong Are there no rapes done by Indian army? just prove me wrong

Yes, you said something wrong. Isolated examples and instances do not give you the liberty to call the whole army an army of rapists. And that is all the conversation you will get on this one.
 
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Yes, you said something wrong. Isolated examples and instances do not give you the liberty to call the whole army an army of rapists. And that is all the conversation you will get on this one.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/india-covering-abuses-kashmir-report-150910003213898.html

This is only in 1990s and reports end at 1997
Rape
-According to the Kashmiri-Canadian Council, 6,300 Kashmiri women have been raped. Rape is a method used to attack Kashmiri women who Indian security forces accuse of sympathizing with the militants. By raping these women, the security forces are aiming to punish and humiliate the entire community.”


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/india-covering-abuses-kashmir-report-150910003213898.html
-Human Rights Watch

“In Singhpur village, Occupation Forces barged into the house of Abdul Ahad and forcibly took his wife and daughter to a military camp where they were gang-raped.”

-Kashmir Quarterly, November 8, 1997


https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...human-rights-violations-in-jammu-and-kashmir/

Till now, not a single member of the security forces deployed in the state has been tried for human rights violations in a civilian court. This lack of accountability has in turn facilitated other serious abuses.

1336 rape cases in Kashmir in 7 years, conviction rate woefully low
The Milli Gazette
Published Online: Jun 05, 2013
Print Issue: 16-31 May 2013

With the entire country up in arms against the brutal gang rape of a 23-year-old student in a moving bus, Jammu and Kashmir’s rape victims despite fighting for justice from past many years have remained a disappointed lot as the culprits continue to remain scot-free.
Surprisingly, the government has registered 1336 rape cases since 2006 in the state but has failed to punish the offenders, adding to the woes of rape victims. The government makes hollow claims that stringent laws are already in place and the accused will be dealt sternly and the investigations in these cases are supervised by senior police officials. Ironically, many of the rape victims are below the age of 18.

As per the government, only one person had been convicted of the crime so far during the last five years and the bulk of the rape cases are either sub-judice or under investigation.

The fact is that there are no reliable statistics about the number of women raped or molested in Kashmir in the two decades of conflict. However, a Kashmir-based NGO claims that more than one thousand women have been raped, molested or abused during the last 20 years.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rita-pal/rape-in-kashmir_b_3372513.html
Rape in Kashmir - The Forgotten War Crime
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/INDIA935.PDF

Isolated examples ? Wow Indian Army is involved in war crimes and by the way these sources are not made by me its Indian own with UN ,prove me wrong by sharing links/facts not by talks . Thanks
 
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/india-covering-abuses-kashmir-report-150910003213898.html

This is only in 1990s and reports end at 1997
Rape
-According to the Kashmiri-Canadian Council, 6,300 Kashmiri women have been raped. Rape is a method used to attack Kashmiri women who Indian security forces accuse of sympathizing with the militants. By raping these women, the security forces are aiming to punish and humiliate the entire community.”


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/india-covering-abuses-kashmir-report-150910003213898.html
-Human Rights Watch

“In Singhpur village, Occupation Forces barged into the house of Abdul Ahad and forcibly took his wife and daughter to a military camp where they were gang-raped.”

-Kashmir Quarterly, November 8, 1997


https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...human-rights-violations-in-jammu-and-kashmir/

Till now, not a single member of the security forces deployed in the state has been tried for human rights violations in a civilian court. This lack of accountability has in turn facilitated other serious abuses.

1336 rape cases in Kashmir in 7 years, conviction rate woefully low
The Milli Gazette
Published Online: Jun 05, 2013
Print Issue: 16-31 May 2013

With the entire country up in arms against the brutal gang rape of a 23-year-old student in a moving bus, Jammu and Kashmir’s rape victims despite fighting for justice from past many years have remained a disappointed lot as the culprits continue to remain scot-free.
Surprisingly, the government has registered 1336 rape cases since 2006 in the state but has failed to punish the offenders, adding to the woes of rape victims. The government makes hollow claims that stringent laws are already in place and the accused will be dealt sternly and the investigations in these cases are supervised by senior police officials. Ironically, many of the rape victims are below the age of 18.

As per the government, only one person had been convicted of the crime so far during the last five years and the bulk of the rape cases are either sub-judice or under investigation.

The fact is that there are no reliable statistics about the number of women raped or molested in Kashmir in the two decades of conflict. However, a Kashmir-based NGO claims that more than one thousand women have been raped, molested or abused during the last 20 years.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rita-pal/rape-in-kashmir_b_3372513.html
Rape in Kashmir - The Forgotten War Crime
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/INDIA935.PDF

Isolated examples ? Wow Indian Army is involved in war crimes and by the way these sources are not made by me its Indian own with UN ,prove me wrong by sharing links/facts not by talks . Thanks

Every single source cited is a biased, separatist source. That speaks for itself.

And what might be the meaning of 'Indian own with UN'? Do you think before you write?
 
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Every single source cited is a biased, separatist source. That speaks for itself.
Care to quote un biased with negating these facts ?
And what might be the meaning of 'Indian own with UN'? Do you think before you write?
Typring mistake ,most of the sources are HRW/Indian NGO`s ,UN itself report and media reports ,So calling them biased is one point of view but did you check lately about biases towards other side of this story or denial mode ?
 
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Care to quote un biased with negating these facts ?

Typring mistake ,most of the sources are HRW/Indian NGO`s ,UN itself report and media reports ,So calling them biased is one point of view but did you check lately about biases towards other side of this story or denial mode ?

In case you haven't noticed, there is no activity like preparing stories that show something has not been done. You will not get investigation showing that rape does not happen. At best, investigating the cases mentioned by false stories and substituting the truth is all that is possible. The only available way is to go into the sources used to prepare the false story and to disprove them. There are so many wild stories flying around that nobody other than a government or subsidised body can track them down and disprove them.

These are drive-by defamation stories. Only people like you constantly searching for dirt on the Internet will find these and will use these.
 
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So by your logic there is always two sides of story ,May be i should gave you negative rating just because i dotn agree with you not on basis of personnel basis but your own statements are defying logic ,you failed to bring any substantial links ,proof of my statements being wrong in any manner
In case you haven't noticed, there is no activity like preparing stories that show something has not been done. You will not get investigation showing that rape does not happen. At best, investigating the cases mentioned by false stories and substituting the truth is all that is possible. The only available way is to go into the sources used to prepare the false story and to disprove them. There are so many wild stories flying around that nobody other than a government or subsidised body can track them down and disprove them.
These are drive-by defamation stories. Only people like you constantly searching for dirt on the Internet will find these and will use these.
Yes personnel attacks are welcome but are you upto it ? any ways for people like you who tends to ignore the facts simply doesnt have any empathy until unless some thing happened to closed one (not i wish for) but reality is world is a cruel place and yes human learns from experience .

“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
Aldous Huxley, Complete Essays 2, 1926-29

ANy ways now i understand intelluct level
 
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