Post 27th Feburary surgical strike, Israeli connections and THAAD deployment.

[LeGenD]

Pakistan needs to test the Ababeel Missile once more to send across the message that thaad won't stop us.

A nuclear strike on Israel is increasingly impractical option due to following reasons.

1. Ababeel MRBM does not have the range to approach Israel and this country is too small to target with multiple warheads anyways, we will end up killing Palestinians and many more in the surroundings.

2. Shaheen III MRBM is our best shot against Israel due to its flight range. However, THAAD is extremely capable defense system. Let us not delude ourselves into thinking that it will not work. US have tested THAAD substantially and it has defeated some very complex threats in operationally realistic livefire events.

3. Israel also has fielded state-of-the-art ARROW 3 defense system to defeat advanced forms of ballistic missiles; jointly developed by US and Israel for this end.

@Taimoor Khan

I sincerely doubt that Israel would fight Pakistan for India unless Pakistan officially threaten Israel first. If there is authentic evidence of active Israeli collusion in the recent Indo-Pak spate to damage Pakistan then it should be unmasked for the public. Otherwise, time to reach out to Israel for our own benefit and fracture Indo-Israeli partnership with our diplomacy. Keep in mind that some personalities were advancing the notion that the THIRD country in this game is US which is absolutely FALSE; Trump administration is not in the mood.

Who stands to gain from expanding the breadth of existing crisis? One must wonder. These guys are real trouble.

Ultimate solution for any chapter of crisis is in TALKS and not in extreme stances.

 

[The Deterrent]

A nuclear strike on Israel is increasingly impractical option due to following reasons.

1. Ababeel MRBM does not have the range to approach Israel and this country is too small to target with multiple warheads anyways, we will end up killing Palestinians and many more in the surroundings.

2. Shaheen III MRBM is our best shot against Israel due to its flight range. However, THAAD is extremely capable defense system. Let us not delude ourselves into thinking that it will not work. US have tested THAAD substantially and it has defeated some very complex threats in operationally realistic livefire events.

3. Israel also has fielded state-of-the-art ARROW 3 defense system to defeat advanced forms of ballistic missiles; jointly developed by US and Israel for this end.

@Taimoor Khan

I sincerely doubt that Israel would fight Pakistan for India unless Pakistan officially threaten Israel first. If there is authentic evidence of active Israeli collusion in the recent Indo-Pak spate to damage Pakistan then it should be unmasked for the public. Otherwise, time to reach out to Israel for our own benefit and fracture Indo-Israeli partnership with our diplomacy. Keep in mind that some personalities were advancing the notion that the THIRD country in this game is US which is absolutely FALSE; Trump administration is not in the mood.

Who stands to gain from expanding the breadth of existing crisis? One must wonder. These guys are real trouble.

Ultimate solution for any chapter of crisis is in TALKS and not in extreme stances.

I also highly doubt this Israeli involvement theory. Most probably, some Israeli representatives were on ground to provide 'customer support', for the Israeli equipment. Even during Kargil, Israelis equipped IAF Mirages with PGM targeting equipment. Similarly intelligence sharing is normal. This is quite usual, for example Pakistan most probably has Chinese personnel on ground to assist them with the Chinese equipment. It does NOT imply that Israel engaged Pakistan or China engaged India, unless either used its own forces.

Also the Israeli pilot theory is absurd. Why would Indian AF let Israeli AF pilots fly aircrafts of which they have no experience? Not even equivalent experience! Indian Air Force pilots are more than capable of holding their own in aircrafts for which they have years of experience. People should learn to question conspiracy theories.

Even if all thats being speculated is true, at the moment Pakistan cannot do anything about Israel. Shaheen-III, having had a few test flights, likely hasn't gone into production. No ASFC group has conducted a training launch of it. Pakistan can't even strike the eastern coast of India at the moment.

This all is besides the fact that Israel has operational Arrow-2/Arrow-3 ABMs (up to 200x interceptors), as part of probably the best Integrated Ballistic Missile Defense network on the planet. Addition of THAAD batteries is sonay pe suhaga, most probably for the Iranian threat.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

A nuclear strike on Israel is increasingly impractical option due to following reasons.

1. Ababeel MRBM does not have the range to approach Israel and this country is too small to target with multiple warheads anyways, we will end up killing Palestinians and many more in the surroundings.

2. Shaheen III MRBM is our best shot against Israel due to its flight range. However, THAAD is extremely capable defense system. Let us not delude ourselves into thinking that it will not work. US have tested THAAD substantially and it has defeated some very complex threats in operationally realistic livefire events.

3. Israel also has fielded state-of-the-art ARROW 3 defense system to defeat advanced forms of ballistic missiles; jointly developed by US and Israel for this end.

@Taimoor Khan

I sincerely doubt that Israel would fight Pakistan for India unless Pakistan officially threaten Israel first. If there is authentic evidence of active Israeli collusion in the recent Indo-Pak spate to damage Pakistan then it should be unmasked for the public. Otherwise, time to reach out to Israel for our own benefit and fracture Indo-Israeli partnership with our diplomacy. Keep in mind that some personalities were advancing the notion that the THIRD country in this game is US which is absolutely FALSE; Trump administration is not in the mood.

Who stands to gain from expanding the breadth of existing crisis? One must wonder. These guys are real trouble.

Ultimate solution for any chapter of crisis is in TALKS and not in extreme stances.

1- When Shaheen 3 was tested, Pakistan was at pain to mention its range to be 2750KM , not more not less. Enough to strike the Andamans and Nicobar Islands in Bay of Bengal in east but just falling short of Israel in western direction. If you believe it to be only 2750km and Ababeel which is basically derived from it, can only travel their stated range, then good on you. As for Palestinians, unfortunately in any war, there will always be collateral damage when the stakes are as high as Pakistan own national security.

2- That's fine. Arrival of THAAD basically mean that Israeli own systems are not as effective as they are touted to be. Someone is defiantly feeling insecure. Pakistan has categorically said that its missiles can defeat any existing missile defence in service. Neither THAAD has been used in war, neither the Shaheen series BMs. As long as their is the ambiguity exists of the outcome, the deterrence can be achieved and Indo-Isreal nexus can be kept in check. The sword should be hanging over Israel, regardless of what measures they are taking for protection.

3- See above.



Israel treat India as a sheep with a bomb attached to it , about to be send to the slaughter house in a hope that it will damage the building. As for current situation, as far as I can remember, its an unprecedented. I have never seen, whole spectrum of Pakistani media, from extreme right to fascist liberal, taking the same line and same story. That third country is Iran. Trump himself might not be involved but the deep state definitely was. Let me recall the diatribes of Denial Coats against Pakistan right bang in the middle of peace talks with Taliban, which completely goes againast Trump administration policy. Then a travel advisory against Pakistan, just before the bombs attacks. Then out of no where both iran and India are hit in almost similar fashion and both blaming Pakistan for it! what are the odds! The way I see it, the Zionist are pulling the strings in American deep state with Indian establishment , and yes you heard me right, the Iranian establishment as well, against Pakistan, with Trump completely out of loop.

 

[Yaseen1]

emp attack on israel will made thaad and all other missile defenses useless

 

[JonAsad]

Israeli THAAD is for Iran..
Its about time for Trump to start his own war like all his peers did and attack the devils den Iran -

 

[Zhukov]

These Brain Cancer Conspiracy Theories. Now you want to Arm Syrian Air Force against Israel which all of you were lately Calling Butcher of Humanity and so on so forth. Meaning to Push the Peddle "ab kuch bhi"?

Israel is also military partner of India and Russia We should declare war on China and Russia too.
This is just a stupid conspiracy Theory peddled by the Likes of Orya Maqbool Jan who want to be relevant somehow.

Israeli Pilot Flying a Russian Jet for India and people are believing this Crap.
Plus we have banged Indian Posts countless times with American Howitzers, So India should put Washington on its hit list too.
Not Establishing Relations with Israel is our own Decision, And India have developed Relations with them and they buy Weapons from Israel with their own money. Stop making us look like Fools on the internet by spreading theories like this Please

 

[xyxmt]

During the Yom Kippur War, the Israelis went out of the way to save the crew of one downed F-4 Phantom.
It later transpired that due to Phantoms being a new system in IDFAF, there was a US pilot involved in that mission so avoid getting exposed, it was necessarily to recover the pilot at all costs.

Wouldn't be surprised if Israelis are involved in some of the operations involving the Phalcon AWACS and due to Israeli gadgets on board the likes of Indian SU-30 MKIs.

any country can use any other country's weapons and you don't call the weapon country as your enemy. Just as Pakistan didn't say Russian is our enemy because India used/lost MIG and SU30. This is more than that, my feeling is the 2nd pilot is Israeli and we have him and he is talking. Pakistan is calling out Israel and Israel is quite about it.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

@34:25


Funny to read my old thread and see all the nay sayers and their one liners.