Pakistani youth and Israel : Palestine issue

[Baghial]

Youth and bravado is not a rare combination. Among Pakistani youth bravado historically has been both a trait and palliative.
Youth and Islam, especially what Islam constitutes, is however a rare combination. Among Pakistani youth, Islamic misconception is and has been a false purpose and gap filler.

These two factors lead to many Pakistanis supporting Hamas terrorism as just revenge against Israel. In doing so they do major injustice to themselves, to Pakistan and to Islam.

- to themselves because identifying with terrorism always leads to self destruction as your prior generation found out 1st hand
- to Pakistan because even as KSA and UAE are reconciling with Israel, this nation of bravadista Pakistanis loses yet another development partner that it needs sorely
- to Islam because you further intensify and perpetuate the image of a religion in turmoil, of violent methods and extremism

Is it that difficult to understand the difference in interests between Hamas and Palestine?

For decades the Pak army has been goading your parent/grandparent generations with the false threat of India, America, Hindus etc. Now you realize they did that mostly to ensure their own well being.

Hamas is doing exactly the same, on steroid. So that they don't become irrelevant they attack Israel and let the Palestinian people face disaster and destruction at the Israeli hand.

The cause of the Palestine land is not advanced one iota by this Hamas action. In fact it only further justifies in the Israeli mind that continued reduction of Palestinian space and rights is ok because it is punishment to terrorism.

If this is not clear to any Pakistani youth or kids, it is up to the Pakistani parent to explain to them. Otherwise they will become yet another wasted generation

MOre then half of pakistani youth dont even know the history of conflict , isreal/ palestine/ arabs, .
No wonder they got fooled easily by a low IQ.
Imrando kaan

 

[hatehs]

@hatehs @Hero786 @Azadkashmir - you guys are too emotional and losing reason. Calm down and think about the situation in Gaza today. Israel is pulverizing the Palestenians to smithereens and even that is a conservative punishment according to them because of the hostages. It won't be long before they decide they cannot compromise the punishment anymore for the hostages and then true hell fire will occur. Even if the people of Gaza had fled by them, there will be little to no infrastructure left. If they don't flee, thousands will die and the world will still feel Israel is right in doing so.

Don't you see how these stupid Hamas terrorists have handed over everything including the moral platform to Israel?

You first need to explain how Islamic extremism and bravado is behind our support for Palestine - most of the global South and developing world is in favor of Palestine too (Pajeetistan being a notable exception because of the raging insecurity and hatred embedded in its inhabitants)

Then you need to explain the importance of this moral platform which Israel now has in light of the fact that they have been committing war crimes, aggressive expansion of illegal settlements, and the targeting of civilians in Palestine for several decades with no pushback.

Once you've done that, we can have a discussion. So far, what you've done is the equivalent of one of your co-religionists back home defecating on the street, which no one here appreciates.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Youth and bravado is not a rare combination. Among Pakistani youth bravado historically has been both a trait and palliative.
Youth and Islam, especially what Islam constitutes, is however a rare combination. Among Pakistani youth, Islamic misconception is and has been a false purpose and gap filler.

These two factors lead to many Pakistanis supporting Hamas terrorism as just revenge against Israel. In doing so they do major injustice to themselves, to Pakistan and to Islam.

- to themselves because identifying with terrorism always leads to self destruction as your prior generation found out 1st hand
- to Pakistan because even as KSA and UAE are reconciling with Israel, this nation of bravadista Pakistanis loses yet another development partner that it needs sorely
- to Islam because you further intensify and perpetuate the image of a religion in turmoil, of violent methods and extremism

Is it that difficult to understand the difference in interests between Hamas and Palestine?

For decades the Pak army has been goading your parent/grandparent generations with the false threat of India, America, Hindus etc. Now you realize they did that mostly to ensure their own well being.

Hamas is doing exactly the same, on steroid. So that they don't become irrelevant they attack Israel and let the Palestinian people face disaster and destruction at the Israeli hand.

The cause of the Palestine land is not advanced one iota by this Hamas action. In fact it only further justifies in the Israeli mind that continued reduction of Palestinian space and rights is ok because it is punishment to terrorism.

If this is not clear to any Pakistani youth or kids, it is up to the Pakistani parent to explain to them. Otherwise they will become yet another wasted generation

youth what you see now was exposed to literature produced by CIA with arab inputs.

Their parents were indoctrinated first hand for afghan cause.

The current conflict has nothing to do with religion.
However Palestinians market it as such, and they find willing buyers here.

 

[Warking]

Youth and bravado is not a rare combination. Among Pakistani youth bravado historically has been both a trait and palliative.
Youth and Islam, especially what Islam constitutes, is however a rare combination. Among Pakistani youth, Islamic misconception is and has been a false purpose and gap filler.

These two factors lead to many Pakistanis supporting Hamas terrorism as just revenge against Israel. In doing so they do major injustice to themselves, to Pakistan and to Islam.

- to themselves because identifying with terrorism always leads to self destruction as your prior generation found out 1st hand
- to Pakistan because even as KSA and UAE are reconciling with Israel, this nation of bravadista Pakistanis loses yet another development partner that it needs sorely
- to Islam because you further intensify and perpetuate the image of a religion in turmoil, of violent methods and extremism

Is it that difficult to understand the difference in interests between Hamas and Palestine?

For decades the Pak army has been goading your parent/grandparent generations with the false threat of India, America, Hindus etc. Now you realize they did that mostly to ensure their own well being.

Hamas is doing exactly the same, on steroid. So that they don't become irrelevant they attack Israel and let the Palestinian people face disaster and destruction at the Israeli hand.

The cause of the Palestine land is not advanced one iota by this Hamas action. In fact it only further justifies in the Israeli mind that continued reduction of Palestinian space and rights is ok because it is punishment to terrorism.

If this is not clear to any Pakistani youth or kids, it is up to the Pakistani parent to explain to them. Otherwise they will become yet another wasted generation

Youth of Pakistan today has realized the lies told to them by their colonial masters and the world establishment. Turns out parliamentary democracy, Liberalism, nationalism and materialism are not the qualities that are meant to uplift us rather to tie us to the chain of west.

Islam and political Islam is what needs to be embraced by the educated youth of Pakistan which is what's actually happening. Its values of unity, faith, honor and honesty is what will fix Pakistan. True Muslims don't think in terms of "If we don't support this group we will not get the latest car" for the world is a prison for the believer.

The western world no matter what will never support a creation of a Palestinian state or even a true Islamic state no matter what we do. They feel no sympathy to our slaughtered brothers nor should we seek it as it is useless. Muslims are not humans to them we are a threat that needs to be put down with installments of puppet regimes backed by west those that refuse are invaded and turned into failed state.

We don't need money from those that associate themselves with enemies of Allah we are more then capable of developing ourselves under proper leadership and ideology of Pan Islamism. Remember what backwards Arabia did to the military and technological superpowers of Sassanians and Byzantines we are more then capable to repat those feats.

If armed resistance by our Muslim brothers against an kafir colonial entity is seen are terrorism then so be it we don't care one day we Muslims will be strong and to this I will spend my life trying to achieve and we will obliterate you. Our dead are in heaven yours are in hell.

 

[ProudThamizhan]

Youth of Pakistan today has realized the lies told to them by their colonial masters and the world establishment. Turns out parliamentary democracy, Liberalism, nationalism and materialism are not the qualities that are meant to uplift us rather to tie us to the chain of west.

Islam and political Islam is what needs to be embraced by the educated youth of Pakistan which is what's actually happening. Its values of unity, faith, honor and honesty is what will fix Pakistan. True Muslims don't think in terms of "If we don't support this group we will not get the latest car" for the world is a prison for the believer.

The western world no matter what will never support a creation of a Palestinian state or even a true Islamic state no matter what we do. They feel no sympathy to our slaughtered brothers nor should we seek it as it is useless. Muslims are not humans to them we are a threat that needs to be put down with installments of puppet regimes backed by west those that refuse are invaded and turned into failed state.

We don't need money from those that associate themselves with enemies of Allah we are more then capable of developing ourselves under proper leadership and ideology of Pan Islamism. Remember what backwards Arabia did to the military and technological superpowers of Sassanians and Byzantines we are more then capable to repat those feats.

If armed resistance by our Muslim brothers against an kafir colonial entity is seen are terrorism then so be it we don't care one day we Muslims will be strong and to this I will spend my life trying to achieve and we will obliterate you. Our dead are in heaven yours are in hell.

but you never had liberalism - mullahs have had maximum influence. Starting from changing the country's name, to barbaric blasphemy laws to idiotic changes to education such as making that biology professor apologize for teaching science.

you had and have a sham definition of nationalism too. ask a cross section of non-punjabis.

materialism has always taken a back seat to mullacracy but with a twist. the establishment crooks uses islam and the mullahs used establishment in a dirty cabal that the majority of population didn't have a problem with until recently when chickens came to roost.

So turns out you are in the hole you are in was dug with a heaping helpin of fraudulent generals preaching bravado and fraudulent mullahs preaching falsehood and teh fraudulent public wanting to believe in their non existent greatness

you people need to get real.

 

[hussain0216]

but you never had liberalism - mullahs have had maximum influence. Starting from changing the country's name, to barbaric blasphemy laws to idiotic changes to education such as making that biology professor apologize for teaching science.

you had and have a sham definition of nationalism too. ask a cross section of non-punjabis.

materialism has always taken a back seat to mullacracy but with a twist. the establishment crooks uses islam and the mullahs used establishment in a dirty cabal that the majority of population didn't have a problem with until recently when chickens came to roost.

So turns out you are in the hole you are in was dug with a heaping helpin of fraudulent generals preaching bravado and fraudulent mullahs preaching falsehood and teh fraudulent public wanting to believe in their non existent greatness

you people need to get real.

We are real,, we don't need some idol worshipping pagan dushman of our people and country to preach to us

 

[ProudThamizhan]

We are real,, we don't need some idol worshipping pagan dushman of our people and country to preach to us

everything about you people is fake. Your belief in islam is fake. the history you are taught and you teach is fake, your care for so calles muslim ummah is fake, your promises are fake. Which is why your country has become fake. just look around you.

you use islam only by name. there is no peace in your belief.
you use pakistan only by name. there is no pak in you.
you use strength only by name. there is no courage or valor in you.
you use words by noise. There is no honor in you.
All you have is frustration failure and fakeness.

 

[PradoTLC]

Youth and bravado is not a rare combination. Among Pakistani youth bravado historically has been both a trait and palliative.
Youth and Islam, especially what Islam constitutes, is however a rare combination. Among Pakistani youth, Islamic misconception is and has been a false purpose and gap filler.

These two factors lead to many Pakistanis supporting Hamas terrorism as just revenge against Israel. In doing so they do major injustice to themselves, to Pakistan and to Islam.

- to themselves because identifying with terrorism always leads to self destruction as your prior generation found out 1st hand
- to Pakistan because even as KSA and UAE are reconciling with Israel, this nation of bravadista Pakistanis loses yet another development partner that it needs sorely
- to Islam because you further intensify and perpetuate the image of a religion in turmoil, of violent methods and extremism

Is it that difficult to understand the difference in interests between Hamas and Palestine?

For decades the Pak army has been goading your parent/grandparent generations with the false threat of India, America, Hindus etc. Now you realize they did that mostly to ensure their own well being.

Hamas is doing exactly the same, on steroid. So that they don't become irrelevant they attack Israel and let the Palestinian people face disaster and destruction at the Israeli hand.

The cause of the Palestine land is not advanced one iota by this Hamas action. In fact it only further justifies in the Israeli mind that continued reduction of Palestinian space and rights is ok because it is punishment to terrorism.

If this is not clear to any Pakistani youth or kids, it is up to the Pakistani parent to explain to them. Otherwise they will become yet another wasted generation

man you about us as much as my chair.

 

[hussain0216]

everything about you people is fake. Your belief in islam is fake. the history you are taught and you teach is fake, your care for so calles muslim ummah is fake, your promises are fake. Which is why your country has become fake. just look around you.

you use islam only by name. there is no peace in your belief.
you use pakistan only by name. there is no pak in you.
you use strength only by name. there is no courage or valor in you.
you use words by noise. There is no honor in you.
All you have is frustration failure and fakeness.

Yeahhhhhh we don't need some worthless idol worshipping pagan dushman to tell us anything

Why the hell do you think a monkey worshippers opinions would matter to us?

 

[ProudThamizhan]

Yeahhhhhh we don't need some worthless idol worshipping pagan dushman to tell us anything

Why the hell do you think a monkey worshippers opinions would matter to us?

because monkeys have better sense than you; you cannot directly worship them because of your low status. Hence you have no choice

 

[hussain0216]

because monkeys have better sense than you; you cannot directly worship them because of your low status. Hence you have no choice

Yaar, we dumped Hinduism, it was disgusting and worthless,
Your superstitions are abhorrent, your castestism is evil
Hinduism has been the biggest curse upon the people of South Asia

We gladly dumped this idol worshipping pagan crap for a far far superior system in Islam

Get over it, why are you still crying about this

 

[TNT]

Well i agree with few points but Islam a religion in turmoil? You must be sleeping under a rock or something. If anything, hinduism is a religion in turmoil n seems will vanish in a century. Islam is still the fastest growing religion and thats the reason for the negative propaganda. Even india is worried and comes up with stupid shit like love jihad.
On the other hand, whats the benefit in recognizing israel? More loans? The reality is that actually Pakistani military wants to recognize israel but the ppl dont and why should we? Israel may have influence in US but israel itself is a beggar and receiver of huge aid, so what it can do for us?

 

[ProudThamizhan]

Yaar, we dumped Hinduism, it was disgusting and worthless,
Your superstitions are abhorrent, your castestism is evil
Hinduism has been the biggest curse upon the people of South Asia

We gladly dumped this idol worshipping pagan crap for a far far superior system in Islam

Get over it, why are you still crying about this

no . your ancestors couldn't take the heat and succumbed.
but just as well, glad we got rid of the weaklings, but sad you poor sods suffer for your ancestor's mistakes

 

[hussain0216]

no . your ancestors couldn't take the heat and succumbed.
but just as well, glad we got rid of the weaklings, but sad you poor sods suffer for your ancestor's mistakes

Islam is far far superior why would our ancestors not become Muslims??

Your not making sense,, why the hell would we or anyone want to worship a lingam, or a animal or idol


Dumping this shit makes absolute sense, why the hell is it a mistake

 

[ProudThamizhan]

Islam is far far superior why would our ancestors not become Muslims??

Your not making sense,, why the hell would we or anyone want to worship a lingam, or a animal or idol


Dumping this shit makes absolute sense, why the hell is it a mistake

it just shows how weak your ancestors where. You are stuck with it.
the sad part is, you all know how effed up your state is and yet cannot even admit it and have a cleansing cry.

And after such degradation over a few generations naturally you cannot be expected to know any better. You've been swirling down the toilet for so long everybody looks like dumping on you and everything looks like shit. Just your sorry state.