possibility of pak leasing a N sub from china?

[Obambam]

our cost guard is enough for your navy

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

atleat 2 nuke sub pakistan must have so whenever india think of attacking pakistan they must know that not only from air and land nukes going to fly to india but also from sea remember our only hope to maintain peace is with india and it is nukes so india never ever dare to attack pakistan unless it has clear signal of pakistan not using nukes or our nukes are disabled so in addition to have one more option of delivering our nukes to india will make them think 200 times and remember nukes by sub is hard to detect by enemy so what we need 2 nukes subs which can go to depths of 1000 metres etc so enemy posedion cannot detect them

Yes Nuclear Submarine Costs 1 Billion dollar, even it can go Max Up to 2 Billion Dollar.
Let do Simple Math.
1 JF17 BlockII Multi Role Aircraft = Cost 25 Million $ Each
As we know, 1000 Million = 1 Billion.
Price of 100 JF17 BlockII= 25Million$ * 100 = 2500 Million$ which is more than 2 Billion Dollar.
Let say Price of Nuclear Submarine is 2 Billion Dollar.
Then
If we are making 50 JF17 BlockII every year.(Costs 50 * 25 Million$= 1250 Million$ per year { or 1.25 Billion per year)
Then
who the Fool says we can't make 1 nuclear submarine.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Pakistan also needs the SLBM like JL-1 to deter against India and the SLBM like JL-2 to deter against USA.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Yes Nuclear Submarine Costs 1 Billion dollar, even it can go Max Up to 2 Billion Dollar.
Let do Simple Math.
1 JF17 BlockII Multi Role Aircraft = Cost 25 Million $ Each
As we know, 1000 Million = 1 Billion.
Price of 100 JF17 BlockII= 25Million$ * 100 = 2500 Million$ which is more than 2 Billion Dollar.
Let say Price of Nuclear Submarine is 2 Billion Dollar.
Then
If we are making 50 JF17 BlockII every year.(Costs 50 * 25 Million$= 1250 Million$ per year { or 1.25 Billion per year)
Then
who the Fool says we can't make 1 nuclear submarine.

Nuclear sub is not a child play you are thinking..... and the cost of JF-17 Block II will increase as soon as your will fit advance system other then chinese. One small logic why PAF is looking for western system for JF17 , only because they are cheap then chinese ? No, because PAF knows they are better then Chinese one but if they can't get then ,they have to relied on chinese one.

How many Nuclear SUB did china have? Chinese don't have that much advance sub that they can show to world and share with you and expose its N-sub to world.

As of Now , no matter how much you say think or do, China is not going to provide N-Sub to you.

As of you making your own N-Sub, forget it , First make Normal sub your self. Think and ask how many ship is designed in your own country and then you shipyard has made it and you got the answer.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Nuclear sub is not a child play you are thinking..... and the cost of JF-17 Block II will increase as soon as your will fit advance system other then chinese. One small logic why PAF is looking for western system for JF17 , only because they are cheap then chinese ? No, because PAF knows they are better then Chinese one but if they can't get then ,they have to relied on chinese one.

How many Nuclear SUB did china have? Chinese don't have that much advance sub that they can show to world and share with you and expose its N-sub to world.

As of Now , no matter how much you say think or do, China is not going to provide N-Sub to you.

As of you making your own N-Sub, forget it , First make Normal sub your self. Think and ask how many ship is designed in your own country and then you shipyard has made it and you got the answer.

Just need "Very" strong "Will" to make this. Just a hint, Lower the Expanses on Nuclear Warhead, i think 110 are enough now, Alternate this expense on nuclear submarine. Or this is also Option, Reduce some Military around 40 to 50 thousand, 7 Million are already enough,(Not to mention 2.5 Milllion Mujaheddin who are always ready for sacrifice in war scenario but our army is already enough) and spend same money for nuclear Submarine. You were same People who were saying We can't make Cruise Missile due to very complex Structure. We have done it, Not to mention nuclear bomb or Pop Eye.

 

[killerx]

Yes Nuclear Submarine Costs 1 Billion dollar, even it can go Max Up to 2 Billion Dollar.
Let do Simple Math.
1 JF17 BlockII Multi Role Aircraft = Cost 25 Million $ Each
As we know, 1000 Million = 1 Billion.
Price of 100 JF17 BlockII= 25Million$ * 100 = 2500 Million$ which is more than 2 Billion Dollar.
Let say Price of Nuclear Submarine is 2 Billion Dollar.



Then
If we are making 50 JF17 BlockII every year.(Costs 50 * 25 Million$= 1250 Million$ per year { or 1.25 Billion per year)
Then
who the Fool says we can't make 1 nuclear submarine.

good math yar we will buy soon

 

[killerx]

yar if we can mentail large pile of ncular warheads and missiles n-sub is nothing indians apny ap ko tasali day rahay that we wont buy one we will buy more then one

 

[LAKHNAVI]

Just need "Very" strong "Will" to make this. Just a hint, Lower the Expanses on Nuclear Warhead, i think 110 are enough now, Alternate this expense on nuclear submarine. Or this is also Option, Reduce some Military around 40 to 50 thousand, 7 Million are already enough,(Not to mention 2.5 Milllion Mujaheddin who are always ready for sacrifice in war scenario but our army is already enough) and spend same money for nuclear Submarine. You were same People who were saying We can't make Cruise Missile due to very complex Structure. We have done it, Not to mention nuclear bomb or Pop Eye.

frnd its not all abt finances ( which ofcourse can be managed )but its about technology which i gather in the oresent scinario cannot be managed

 

[IHK_PK]

Pakistan's army chief is now in china for 5 days tour and guess who else goes with him and why?
Keep in mind China's vice presidents recent visit to Pakistan and his meetings in Pakistan, just few days back. Something is about to come up soon.
Guess?



fingers crossed........

 

[Imran Khan]

damn think abut economy at this time rather then toys for empty proud pakistan is not PDF fan club .

 

[Mav3rick]

atleat 2 nuke sub pakistan must have so whenever india think of attacking pakistan they must know that not only from air and land nukes going to fly to india but also from sea remember our only hope to maintain peace is with india and it is nukes so india never ever dare to attack pakistan unless it has clear signal of pakistan not using nukes or our nukes are disabled so in addition to have one more option of delivering our nukes to india will make them think 200 times and remember nukes by sub is hard to detect by enemy so what we need 2 nukes subs which can go to depths of 1000 metres etc so enemy posedion cannot detect them

My friend if you read up history it will become abundantly clear to you that it has mostly been us who have initiated wars, except '71 which wasn't really a war with India but an internal matter which was an opportunity for India so basically even 1971 was our mistake otherwise no power could have severed us.

Even the mighty US keeps excellent relations with all neighbouring countries, why? because when you share a border, even weaker enemies will become a nuisance and India is not weak by any means. So it is in our and even their best interest to sort out our problems through dialogues and peaceful negotiations....our mutual prosperity will be unbelievable.

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damn think abut economy at this time rather then toys for empty proud pakistan is not PDF fan club .

Only a strong impregnable defence and preparedness to go to war can guarantee peace and through peace comes prosperity.

 

[Pak_Sher]

Pakistan should have good relations with all countries.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

My friend if you read up history it will become abundantly clear to you that it has mostly been us who have initiated wars, except '71 which wasn't really a war with India but an internal matter which was an opportunity for India so basically even 1971 was our mistake otherwise no power could have severed us.

Even the mighty US keeps excellent relations with all neighbouring countries, why? because when you share a border, even weaker enemies will become a nuisance and India is not weak by any means. So it is in our and even their best interest to sort out our problems through dialogues and peaceful negotiations....our mutual prosperity will be unbelievable.

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Only a strong impregnable defence and preparedness to go to war can guarantee peace and through peace comes prosperity.

You have made some sensible points above. There is no reason whatsoever for Pakistan to lower its guard and not pay attention to defence preparedness. However Pakistan (or any country for that matter) needs to pay attention to economic growth and upliftment of the people. Then and only then is it justifiable to spend money on the arms required to preserve and protect that.
As an analogy; if my sole possessions are a bicycle, then I only need a danda to protect that. If it is a Mehran car, then maybe a shotgun will suffice. If its a Bentley or Rolls Royce, then I have to consider building a wall around my house, employ some armed guards and invest in the most top-notch security systems. Plus if I can afford to own that fancy car, I will be able to afford all the facilities for it.

If the people have no quality of life, then what is worth protecting and preserving? Thus economics is probably more important than Strategics. And Industrialists, Economists, Scientists and Technocrats are far more relevant to nation than Khakis and OGs.
Their role is important to the extent that they are actually the watchmen or chowkidaars. Thats all.

 

[Mav3rick]

You have made some sensible points above. There is no reason whatsoever for Pakistan to lower its guard and not pay attention to defence preparedness. However Pakistan (or any country for that matter) needs to pay attention to economic growth and upliftment of the people. Then and only then is it justifiable to spend money on the arms required to preserve and protect that.
As an analogy; if my sole possessions are a bicycle, then I only need a danda to protect that. If it is a Mehran car, then maybe a shotgun will suffice. If its a Bentley or Rolls Royce, then I have to consider building a wall around my house, employ some armed guards and invest in the most top-notch security systems. Plus if I can afford to own that fancy car, I will be able to afford all the facilities for it.

If the people have no quality of life, then what is worth protecting and preserving? Thus economics is probably more important than Strategics. And Industrialists, Economists, Scientists and Technocrats are far more relevant to nation than Khakis and OGs.
Their role is important to the extent that they are actually the watchmen or chowkidaars. Thats all.

Well said, but said like a person who considers this world to be the ultimate place. We, on the other hand, are taught by our religion to prepare for the next world as this world is just a testing ground and this life a test. Even out Prophet Muhammat (PBUH), who is king of both worlds, lived a very moderate life and set an example that worldly possessions remain in this world and only our acts and deeds are carried with us to the next world.

In other words, a moderate life and fair justice for all is essentially the key. For simple societies and simple lives we do not require westerns system analysts and economists and so on. Islamic system, if implemented as a core, is sufficient to provide a much better life then the western social model that is based on Islamic principles. Unfortunately we are split b/w the 2 systems and hence are in a loss.

 

[Waffen SS]

To hell with this freaking nuclear submarine!!!!!!!!!!!!

This stupid bull$hit needs to end.