Policeman martyred, dozens injured in Islamabad clashes; Army called

[Shane]

but he offered his resignation earlier too though it was not accepted as per reports earlier

Someone does not want this to end so easily or quickly or else he could have bee sent on a leave pending a judicial inquiry, it was a very carefully cooked pot to divert attention but has misfired badly.

 

[veg]

Lol, the banana interior minister says that Administration started operation on courts order and not me, lol, and you have the nerve to point finger at the army for an operation that the rabid minister is running away from himself...

Why was a fourth schedule molvi was permitted by Gov't to come from Lahore for "only a two day dharna" at parade ground...Why facilitate a known instigator?

You could criticize the PML and I am with you.
But if Army behaves as if it is above the law and has the right to tell the GOVERNMENT to back and negotiate with the terrorists, then there is big question mark here.
Army is no one to ask such things from the Government.

And after the operation has launched by the Government, this Army suggestion becomes most foolish thing that at this time and point government go back to the negotiations.

 

[Enigma_]

The paradox in Pakistan is our approach to religion and education. We hold religion do dearly but don't teach it in detail nor do we teach our children the means to self learn and teach themselves in thier own time using thier own initiative.

This leads to molvi culture. There is nothing wrong with the role of the molvi, but our over reliance on them in society is nuts. This leads to opportunities for exploitation.

Molvi's should be under the watch of the government - plain and simple. They've created their own system within a broken government system in the country. We don't have Molvi's but we have Jahil's who pretend to know everything about religion and then exploit it to the many uneducated idiots (which is the fault of many many many years of turbulence within the state). Education is the long term way of getting rid of them but right now they have way too much power and should be forced to stay within their limits.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Molvi's should be under the watch of the government - plain and simple. They've created their own system within a broken government system in the country. We don't have Molvi's but we have Jahil's who pretend to know everything about religion and then exploit it to the many uneducated idiots (which is the fault of many many many years of turbulence within the state). Education is the long term way of getting rid of them but right now they have way too much power and should be forced to stay within their limits.

Apparently this maulvi saab was under the government.

 

[Shane]

Lame Excuse. Army Chief telling the Government to he has concerns upon the blockage of TV channels. And then telling the Government to go back upon the negotiation table instead of doing the operation which has already been started.

This is the most foolish thing that Army did. You could not go back to the negotiations after the operation has been launched.

And court is no one to decide to handle the terrorists without bullets. It is the Right of the Government to decide according to the situation.

Looks like a case of foot in mouth.
What say you about Shahbaz's statement calling for negotiations:

 

[Enigma_]

Apparently this maulvi saab was under the government.

What government ? We don't have a functioning government.

 

[BHarwana]

Molvi's should be under the watch of the government - plain and simple. They've created their own system within a broken government system in the country. We don't have Molvi's but we have Jahil's who pretend to know everything about religion and then exploit it to the many uneducated idiots (which is the fault of many many many years of turbulence within the state). Education is the long term way of getting rid of them but right now they have way too much power and should be forced to stay within their limits.

There is already a law to keep an eye on Molvis but at this point Molvis are 100% correct. So molvis need to prevail here no matter who they are they are correct. If they are correct the Gov should make Zahid hamid resign.

 

[BATMAN]

Not only Edhi was a secular, but according to your Mullahs he was an Atheist.

Whatever he was, he was the pride of Humanity.

When a good person dies, many comes to claim him as their own tribals.
When he was alive no atheist adopted Edhi.
Now kindly list all the living atheist of Pakistan, so we know about their good work during their life.

 

[Enigma_]

There is already a law to keep an eye on Molvis but at this point Molvis are 100% correct. So molvis need to prevail here no matter who they are they are correct. If they are correct the Gov should make Zahid hamid resign.

He's either going to resign or be killed. Matter of when rather than if now.

 

[veg]

You are having a hard time understanding one thing. Hazoor pak is dead and gone. You can curse him for the rest of your life and it will make no difference to him or Muslims in general. There are however certain legal implications of changing the said clauses because they render politicians with no accountability in their appointment of office. I don't know how much more clear I can make this for you.

This is the same question which Asima Jahangir asked.

When a member has to "Sign" any document, then it is called affidavit. Swearing is not an obligatory part of it.

Secondly, there was no such thing as "affidavit" present in Islamic Sharia. Simply saying a Kalima makes a person Muslim and this Kalima is free of any "swear". Believing is enough according to Islamic Sharia.

Thirdly, if there was a "crime", then bring it to the court and prove the crime in the court. Why not Mullahs and their supporters do it?

Fourthly, it is only Allah who knows in the heart of any Person. If the government says this mistake was not intentional, how then you ask them to resign and go to the jail under the charge of tauheen-e-Risalat?

May I ask you, did Sahaba never ever made such small mistakes in the deen?


Lastly, no Mullah supporter ever answered why to hit only the PML Minister?
Why not to demand the resignation of whole Parliament and then imprison them under the case of Tauheen-e-Risalat?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Although Isloo burgers are inconvenienced by having to take the long way to their bhangi coffee shops for their laates, I'm quite pleased these maulvis came out. They are forcing goon league to unravel their web of lies. Only thing unfortunate about this escapade was the loss of life and property damage. It's only a matter of time before pti and Qadri start to capitalize on their protests. Whatever the case, I am happy this oppressive regime of haram khors is coming to a natural death.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

There is no shadow of doubt the present fiasco is 100% Nawaz League , I won't use the word (Pakistan Muslim League - Nawaz) becasue that would be contradictory. The name of honorable party was stolen by Nawaz Sharif in 80's/90's otherwise he had 0% connection to this honorable party from 1800's


It is very clear who instigated this mess , Nawaz Sharif in attempt to divert attention of Local media / Newspaper and general public from Supreme court verdicts against him , his property and wealth of his son and daugter. Played the "Chaos card". Buy enough time to do a deal with PPP sell off his property , and buy time to find a avenue of exit from Pakistan and perhaps move overseas.

His acomplice Mr Dar he has also been a fugitive from court for last 3 weeks, and thus the court officially called him a fugitive from court. He himself played the medically ill card and Nawaz used the last few weeks to get him a bail on grounds of his mysterious illness.

The demonstration are correct at Root Level !!! The parliment passed two controversial bills

a) Bill to allow Nawaz sharif to be head of PML again after he was disqualified by Supreme court
b) Bill to make changes with respect to acknowledgement of Prophet Mohammed as Last prophet at constitution Level

To any Muslim person , giving a corrupt Mafia / Criminal / Guilty by court man more value then Prophet Mohammed is certainly a cause of concern and that is why we have demonstration

People are sick !! of this corrupt group of politicians

People have waited 3 years for a Guilty verdict against Nawaz Sharif and we want to see Justice done by him going to Prison! That is the whole purpose of having a constitution, Jails, Courts and Lawyers

• Nawaz Sharif had a very simple process to follow , Pay Fines, Step Down seek pardon or go to JAIL.
• For any person involved in Tax Evasion or Illegal business the first thing to do is pay Fines to State of Pakistan , he never looked into that avenue and insisted on continued conflict with verious Institutes of Pakistan (Military , Courts, NAB , Lower Level Courts)

 

[veg]

Edhi is indeed a national hero!
What are your thoughts on Ch Nisar's criticism of Ahsan Iqbal?

I hate Ch. Nisar and Nawaz Sharif and PML

It is not about them, but it is about my country, the State of Pakistan.

 

[BHarwana]

PML-N MNA Tahir Iqbal has left the Party. Latest.

 

[qamar1990]

This is the population density map of Pakistan, or at least a rough idea considering it is just a quick google search. There's a lot of Pakistan outside of the three major cities but most of it is in there. Even if this was true you have nothing to back up your claim but the shoddy claim that the majority of Pakistani pop. is part of the barelvi sect - which I doubt in the first place.

it is common knowledge that barelvis are the biggest group in pakistan.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/islam-barelvi.htm
population of the the 3 cities i mentioned isnt even 35 million combines out of the 180 million pakistani.

Protests means changing the Views of the People so that they out vote the ruling party in the next elections.

Protests does not mean to block the roads and to black mail the others by doing so.

And what is wrong for being Leftist and secular? They are thousands of times better than Jahil fasadi Mullah who you are supporting.

In fact, leftist secular played 0 role in this conflict. It is about the extreme right and moderate right.

you must be very stupid, do you even know what is the meaning of a protest?
you got election campaigns confused with protesting.
there are many ways to protest but this is also one of them.