PMO’s China fear stalls Mountain Corps

[DARIUS]

From the kind of discussions that are going on it seems that most members on this forum are serving at top levels of the Indian defence establishment (it could be so but no offence intended!!).However before continuing any further I would like every one to take a look at this extract dated 19th August 2012 from the IE:

Govt tells Armed Forces to re-draw plan to raise strike corps for China border

The plan to raise a new mountain strike corps for the China border in the eastern sector is now back to the drawing board. The government is learnt to have sent back the proposal, asking the three service chiefs to jointly come up with a plan involving all three forces.

The rethink has come almost a year after the government gave its in-principle clearance to set up the strike corps, which eventually took the shape of a CCS note that was awaiting finance approval. It was estimated that the new corps would cost about Rs 65,000 crore with fresh accretion of 89,000 soldiers and 400 officers.

The plan was forcefully piloted by former Army Chief Gen V K Singh, who had projected it as critical to launch a counter-offensive into Tibet in case of a “Kargil-type adventure” by China.

Even then, questions were raised on whether this step would end up being more provocative than effective in the long run. But the Army had cited China’s overall aggressive military build-up and intelligence that Beijing was rehearsing plans for a local military offensive by way of specific exercises in and around the Tibet Autonomous Region.

The Finance Ministry had raised questions on the longevity of the China threat. While the expectation was that the government would push this into the new 2012-13 financial year, sources said, there has been a sudden rethink at the highest levels.

Insiders clarified that the government has not gone back on developing a credible preparedness level against China’s rapidly expanding military profile on the borders, but it does want a relook at the strategy from all possible sides. For this purpose, sources said, it was felt that the Chiefs of Staff Committee comprising the three service chiefs was the right forum to take a fresh look and suggest a comprehensive plan.

Another provocation for returning the proposal was that the government did not want the Army, Navy and Air Force to send separate proposals on countering China. It is learnt that the government felt there was a need for more coordination.

The new strike corps was to come up Panagarh, West Bengal, along with two more divisions. An independent armoured brigade along with an artillery division were to be part of the set-up. Already, two divisions are being raised in the eastern theatre along with the newly-created Arunachal Scouts battalions.

Govt tells Armed Forces to re-draw plan to raise strike corps for China border - Indian Express
Now my point of view is that the strike corps were planned to raised near Panagarh AF base which happens to be in my home state.If the GoI actually goes for the plan after much deliberation it could very well afford to do so in top secrecy and of course given the fact that it would not result in any visible increase numerically in the troops already stationed in AP.Hence this entire fuss may be just another twist given to the entire design to appease China and at the same time continue to work on it.I do not think that the GoI would have changed its mind so drastically since the time the above news was published since it would be only just a few days gap in that case before the second article cropped up!!

 

[Killswitch]

The strike corps will be set up. if the congress doesn't do it the next government will.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

The strike corps will be set up. if the congress doesn't do it the next government will.

Your strike corps is just a joke, how far you can strike, what's high value target in tibet beside military base and headquarter...but if we form a counter-strike division in Aksai Chin or at the chicken neck of your north east, both have a strategic and tactical means...you will think twice to put your strike force in our boundary.

...nothing prevent us to have an arm race near border with India...we sure can afford that.

 

[timetravel]

Your strike corps is just a joke, how far you can strike, what's high value target in tibet beside military base and headquarter...but if we form a counter-strike division in Aksai Chin or at the chicken neck of your north east, both have a strategic and tactical means...you will think twice to put your strike force in our boundary.

...nothing prevent us to have an arm race near border with India...we sure can afford that.

So go ahead and build one who is stopping you. We are going to build our strike forces. We will battle it out and see who wins. Anyhow that's why wars are fought at first place.

So why have fighter planes also as both have them. so does it mean one air force cant win over another!!

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

So go ahead and build one who is stopping you. We are going to build our strike forces. We will battle it out and see who wins. Anyhow that's why wars are fought at first place.

So why have fighter planes also as both have them. so does it mean one air force cant win over another!!

Nobody claim that Indians will lose, I just saying that you do what ever you want..but don't cry as usual if our turn to do the same.

such as

India worried over China's military build up on Sino-Indian border - The Economic Times

 

[Joe Shearer]

Your strike corps is just a joke, how far you can strike, what's high value target in tibet beside military base and headquarter...but if we form a counter-strike division in Aksai Chin or at the chicken neck of your north east, both have a strategic and tactical means...you will think twice to put your strike force in our boundary.

...nothing prevent us to have an arm race near border with India...we sure can afford that.

I do wish you would couple your boyish enthusiasm with some practical knowledge.

Believe it or not, other eyes besides yours have noticed that there is a chicken's neck. And you will be hugely surprised to learn that they have done something about it.

As a professional colleague remarked tartly to me some weeks ago in these columns, the area has been assigned to XXXIII Corps for defence. The attack ratio, the ratio of troops attacking to those defending, is high in mountain terrain, about 9:1. An Army Corps is in the region of 30,000 soldiers. You will need around 270,000 soldiers to overcome the defences by frontal assault.

That's about 270,000 soldiers, or in the region of 27 divisions, not one.

If you have an uncle or a friend's father in the PLA AF, you might also like to ask him for his professional reaction to seeing 27 divisions and their logistics tails crowding through the Nathu La. He might display similar boyish enthusiasm.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I do wish you would couple your boyish enthusiasm with some practical knowledge.

Believe it or not, other eyes besides yours have noticed that there is a chicken's neck. And you will be hugely surprised to learn that they have done something about it.

As a professional colleague remarked tartly to me some weeks ago in these columns, the area has been assigned to XXXIII Corps for defence. The attack ratio, the ratio of troops attacking to those defending, is high in mountain terrain, about 9:1. An Army Corps is in the region of 30,000 soldiers. You will need around 270,000 soldiers to overcome the defences by frontal assault.

That's about 270,000 soldiers, or in the region of 27 divisions, not one.

If you have an uncle or a friend's father in the PLA AF, you might also like to ask him for his professional reaction to seeing 27 divisions and their logistics tails crowding through the Nathu La. He might display similar boyish enthusiasm.

Lol ratio of 9:1 maybe on Indian military calculus if you still think that we're using human wave tactic as 1962 and rush into your heave defense position

Only with heavy artilleries to pound chicken neck for few days...then it will be pretty clean for PLA to walk in.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Lol ratio of 9:1 maybe on Indian military calculus if you still think that we're using human wave tactic as 1962 and rush into your heave defense position

Only with heavy artilleries to pound chicken neck for few days...then it will be pretty clean for PLA to walk in.

I see that you are a military expert. Good going for such a young person.

The ratio for attacks on the plains is 3:1. Because mountain terrain is easier to defend than to attack, the ratio in mountain terrain is taken to be three times higher. These calculations are internationally accepted, and we only learnt about them when some kind Chinese military experts taught us.

If you have a map of the area, you might like to measure the distance between Nathu La and the Chicken's Neck. It might save you some public humiliation.

 

[BJP*]

Oh well we need BJP alright !! ..Our Pm lost his Balls to the faarin gandhi ...........raiing of the mountain corps is nto a surprise or anything for china to take offence....

You called me??

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I see that you are a military expert. Good going for such a young person.

The ratio for attacks on the plains is 3:1. Because mountain terrain is easier to defend than to attack, the ratio in mountain terrain is taken to be three times higher. These calculations are internationally accepted, and we only learnt about them when some kind Chinese military experts taught us.

If you have a map of the area, you might like to measure the distance between Nathu La and the Chicken's Neck. It might save you some public humiliation.

Take a look on the map..than you see your military defense in that area is laugh stock...you will never be able to defend your chicken neck if China decide to initiate the attack from location between Sikkim and Bhuthan..that's why your Gorverment use Bhutan as meat shield to create a second fron't to prevent China to take this geographical advantage.

You have have smartly control over 85% of Bhutan economy. all their military hardwares are depend on you..even Indian aremy are infiltrated to this country to ensure their loyalty toward India. But you will never control Bhutan for eternity

 

[Joe Shearer]

Take a look on the map..than you see your military defense in that area is laugh stock...you will never be able to defend your chicken neck if China decide to initiate the attack from location between Sikkim and Bhuthan..that's why your Gorverment use Bhutan as meat shield to create a second fron't to prevent China to take this geographical advantage.

You have have smartly control over 85% of Bhutan economy. all their military hardwares are depend on you..even Indian aremy are infiltrated to this country to ensure their loyalty toward India. But you will never control Bhutan for eternity

You dimwit, XXXIII Corps is tasked to defend precisely that territory. Don't you read posts before replying?

 

[ajtr]

You dimwit, XXXIII Corps is tasked to defend precisely that territory. Don't you read posts before replying?

Seems like XXXIII Corps is missing in his red book just like lake on the moon..............

 

[timetravel]

In simple words, the sooner we achieve a fair and equitable peace with both our neighbours, the sooner we can get on with more important things.

and that peace will come only when India is a super power..

As i see it right now, the two Indian neighbors will be more pleased at seeing India crumble then allowing it the peace to develop itself and becoming a strong nation and a threat to them (in their perception).

So India will have to keep concentrating equally on economy and deterrent military power to reach a position where it is strong enough to make the other two desire peace with India.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You dimwit, XXXIII Corps is tasked to defend precisely that territory. Don't you read posts before replying?

yes...doesn't necessary mean that your XXX corps will be able to withstand chinese YYY corps assault

 

[chauism]

I do wish you would couple your boyish enthusiasm with some practical knowledge.

Believe it or not, other eyes besides yours have noticed that there is a chicken's neck. And you will be hugely surprised to learn that they have done something about it.

As a professional colleague remarked tartly to me some weeks ago in these columns, the area has been assigned to XXXIII Corps for defence. The attack ratio, the ratio of troops attacking to those defending, is high in mountain terrain, about 9:1. An Army Corps is in the region of 30,000 soldiers. You will need around 270,000 soldiers to overcome the defences by frontal assault.

That's about 270,000 soldiers, or in the region of 27 divisions, not one.

If you have an uncle or a friend's father in the PLA AF, you might also like to ask him for his professional reaction to seeing 27 divisions and their logistics tails crowding through the Nathu La. He might display similar boyish enthusiasm.

Good thing that those mountain terrain keeps bothsides thinking twice about attacking each other before they make any decisions..