PM rejects proposal to buy more DEMU trains from China

[Nilgiri]

Says a citizen of certain country whose armed forces inventory got 80 percentage or more sourced from China

Wrong, its all made by Walton the greatest miracle of the 21st century.

 

[UKBengali]

Wrong, its all made by Walton the greatest miracle of the 21st century.

Why you so butt-hurt about this?

Walton will export it's TV tech into Germany this year - has any Indian company ever done this?

 

[The Ronin]

We are too quick to blame our own kind.

The DEMU episode has little to do with corruption.

Blaming BR corruption or the maintenance is pointless. This may be part of the reason

There are reportedly inherent engine quality issues with these Chinese DEMU's, breakdowns were too frequent, Aircon on some units never worked.

Any DEMU sets sold to Bangladesh by any country will need to pass muster for local operations as these are used for commuter rail operations which is heavy duty use.

Either BR doesn't care (wants to replace them)

Successful operations will be rewarded with repeat business. Just how it is in the rest of the world.

Nyah!! No one is jumping too quick to blame them. BR is full of incompetent-corrupted people and rotten to core that's the truth and everyone knows it. There's plenty of reports on that. And by look at your comment, it seems like you are even trying so hard to deny it and save BR's face here. Have we forgotten about the corruption BR's eastern sector's GM committed? No!!

https://www.thedailystar.net/country/graft-2yr-jail-mridha-2-railway-staff-1397308

If BR's is not corrupted then how come our rail-tracks are being repaired with bamboo and woods? And would you listen their lame excuse? Govt spending so much money to develop BR's but this is what you get.

To prove you wrong this single recent report on ACC's probe on BR is enough. Just sharing the necessary point, you can read the rest yourself.

"ACC Commissioner Md Mozammel Haque Khan submitted the report to Railway Minister Nurul Islam Sujan at his office yesterday. The Daily Star has obtained a copy of it.

Irregularities and corruption come during the purchase of wagons, coaches, locomotives and diesel electric multiple units (DMUs); construction of double lines and single line duel gauge tracks; and relocation and upgradation of signal systems at different sections, reads the report."

https://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/news/acc-enquiry-finds-graft-railway-1765747

Am i still jumping to quickly to blame BR? Don't think so. And did you even see the videos i shared in previous thread? The workers themselves are saying there's no workshop for these trains, they don't have training for these to repair as it's a new technology and there's no spare-parts. And we can get a clear idea how well these trains are maintained just by looking at them. And as you said there are reportedly inherent engine quality issues with these Chinese DEMU's, breakdowns were too frequent, Aircon on some units never worked.

Now questions should be asked if these DEMUs were unable handle the passenger load, if they have multiple technical issues and if BR couldn't secure any maintenance contract from Chinese during the procurement or within this six years and train it's personal to maintain and repair these trains, why did they still bought these trains and why did they still propose to purchase it again??!! Did BR run any feasibility test or inspection on Chinese DEMUs before or after the procurement? If no, why didn't they and if yes, then why didn't they find out any problem on these trains then?

The answer is simple in my opinion. BR's officials are both fucking incompetent and corrupted!! Now if you still think BR is ধোয়া তুলসী পাতা and they have nothing to do with DEMU's corruption or any problems then you are living in a illusion, good luck with that.

There are tons of other types of equipment (including Korean and Indian locos) that are working just fine in BR on far more frequent and rigorous schedules within the railway being maintained on regular basis.

but doesn't explain why other types of BR equipment are running perfectly

Yes!! Yes!! They are running perfectly!! I can clearly see that in these videos!! Old broken craps, brakes are tied with GI wire. suspension spring is broken. Somehow still running but not with actual performance it was supposed to give. Keep shutting down in the middle of journey. The coaches get refurbished every year before Eid. These 60 years old only works somehow because they are old and analogue, BR's workshop has experiences of years of working on them to patch, wield and repair them somehow with whatever they find locally. You can't do the same with new teach like DEMU or any new train without proper logistic support.

Another interesting report why our maintenance is poor.

And rigorous schedules my ***!! Trains often depart at least half and hour later than original schedules and it gets worse in Eid. I don't think i need to share anything on that here to prove that, do i?

Everyone is diverting the issue.

who knows?

I didn't read other's threads that much but you are the only one here i guess blaming the Chinese only. And from the look at your reply it seems you are not even sure what's reason behind it. You are denying and admitting the facts at the same time.

 

[Nike]

Nyah!! No one is jumping too quick to blame them. BR is full of incompetent-corrupted people and rotten to core that's the truth and everyone knows it. There's plenty of reports on that. And by look at your comment, it seems like you are even trying so hard to deny it and save BR's face here. Have we forgotten about the corruption BR's eastern sector's GM committed? No!!

https://www.thedailystar.net/country/graft-2yr-jail-mridha-2-railway-staff-1397308

If BR's is not corrupted then how come our rail-tracks are being repaired with bamboo and woods? And would you listen their lame excuse? Govt spending so much money to develop BR's but this is what you get.

To prove you wrong this single recent report on ACC's probe on BR is enough. Just sharing the necessary point, you can read the rest yourself.

"ACC Commissioner Md Mozammel Haque Khan submitted the report to Railway Minister Nurul Islam Sujan at his office yesterday. The Daily Star has obtained a copy of it.

Irregularities and corruption come during the purchase of wagons, coaches, locomotives and diesel electric multiple units (DMUs); construction of double lines and single line duel gauge tracks; and relocation and upgradation of signal systems at different sections, reads the report."

https://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/news/acc-enquiry-finds-graft-railway-1765747

Am i still jumping to quickly to blame BR? Don't think so. And did you even see the videos i shared in previous thread? The workers themselves are saying there's no workshop for these trains, they don't have training for these to repair as it's a new technology and there's no spare-parts. And we can get a clear idea how well these trains are maintained just by looking at them. And as you said there are reportedly inherent engine quality issues with these Chinese DEMU's, breakdowns were too frequent, Aircon on some units never worked.

Now questions should be asked if these DEMUs were unable handle the passenger load, if they have multiple technical issues and if BR couldn't secure any maintenance contract from Chinese during the procurement or within this six years and train it's personal to maintain and repair these trains, why did they still bought these trains and why did they still propose to purchase it again??!! Did BR run any feasibility test or inspection on Chinese DEMUs before procurement? If no, why didn't they and if yes, then why didn't they find out any problem on these trains then?

The answer is simple in my opinion. BR's officials are both fucking incompetent and corrupted!! Now if you still think BR is ধোয়া তুলসী পাতা and they have nothing to do with DEMU's corruption or any problems then you are living in a illusion, good luck with that.




Yes!! Yes!! They are running perfectly!! I can clearly see that in these videos!! Old broken craps, brakes are tied with GI wire. suspension spring is broken. Somehow still running but not with actual performance it was supposed to give. Keep shutting down in the middle of journey. The coaches get refurbished every year before Eid. These 60 years old only works somehow because they are old and analogue, BR's workshop has experiences of years of working on them to patch, wield and repair them somehow with whatever they find locally. You can't do the same with new teach like DEMU or any new train without proper logistic support.

Another interesting report why our maintenance is poor.

And rigorous schedules my ***!! Trains often depart at least half and hour later than original schedules and it gets worse in Eid. I don't think i need to share anything on that here to prove that, do i?




I didn't read other's threads that much but you are the only one here i guess blaming the Chinese only. And from the look at your reply it seems you are not even sure what's reason behind it. You are denying and admitting the facts at the same time.

Its the worker at workshop and maintenance railway units properly certified and had course to maintain coaches and trainset? Or there is exist vocational school or University course for related railway industry in Bangladesh?

 

[bluesky]

Its the worker at workshop and maintenance railway units properly certified and had course to maintain coaches and trainset? Or there is exist vocational school or University course for related railway industry in Bangladesh?

I wonder, why do you expect so many things from a country whose govt itself and all its organizations are run by the most inefficient bureaucrats in the world. There are two workshops, one in Syedpur, other in Pahartali. Both were built by the British. No real works are done there. Yet, the govt supports their salaries and benefits decades after decades.

This why I propose the railway to be divided into many segments and sell the operation to private companies. They will build their own individual workshops and maintenance yards wherever needed. DEMU or CEMU, they will fix everything in their workshops.

 

[Nike]

I wonder, why do you expect so many things from a country whose govt itself and all its organizations are run by the most inefficient bureaucrats in the world. There are two workshops, one in Syedpur, other in Pahartali. Both were built by the British. No real works are done there. Yet, the govt supports their salaries and benefits decades after decades.

This why I propose the railway to be divided into many segments and sell the operation to private companies. They will build their own individual workshops and maintenance yards wherever needed. DEMU or CEMU, they will fix everything in their workshops.

No kidding here, i though Bd railway maintain the legacy of British to properly supported their railway systems, as when the British left South Asian, they left one of the largest and complex Railway systems in the world along with all of the support ecosystem.

 

[Bilal9]

Why you so butt-hurt about this?

Walton will export it's TV tech into Germany this year - has any Indian company ever done this?

Forget export to Germany or even to bankrupt countries.

They are losing ground rapidly even in their own home markets (in third tier cities).

During license raj times (seventies/eighties) these Indian brands made a killing in their captive closed economy.

Now that Indian economy is open, no one buys their product, even those assembled with foreign (Chinese) parts.

 

[Protest_again]

Forget export to Germany or even to bankrupt countries.

They are losing ground rapidly even in their own home markets (in third tier cities).

During license raj times (seventies/eighties) these Indian brands made a killing in their captive closed economy.

Now that Indian economy is open, no one buys their product, even those assembled with foreign (Chinese) parts.

Now that vivo and oppo plan to open their factories in Bangladesh. Lets see how well walton (haha) copes in its home country.

 

[The Ronin]

Its the worker at workshop and maintenance railway units properly certified and had course to maintain coaches and trainset? Or there is exist vocational school or University course for related railway industry in Bangladesh?

No, doesn't look like it. vocational school or University course? Obviously not. The govt website doesn't provide any details on this matter. There's a training academy in CTG but doesn't look like it provides that types of training. The only article i found in the internet is this:-

"The training of officers and staffs is organized at Railway Training Academy. Bangladesh Railway has adapted modern technologies in its operation and maintenance but Training Academy is not yet modernized. So Bangladesh Railway has taken initiative of “Feasibility Study with Detailed Design for Modernization and Expansion of Railway Training Academy” with training curriculum, training modules and manuals of different department such as Civil, Mechanical, Electrical, Traffic & Commercial, Signal & Telecom, Stores and General Establishment. Railway Training at present is very poorly equipped and insufficient modern facility for training. Besides the existing administrative building, class room, library, officer’s hostel, canteen, model room, staff hostel and residential building of RTA staffs are in deplorable condition. Residential facilities for trainee officers and staffs are very much insufficient. Shortage of manpower and logistic support has made very tough to maintain yearly out turn. Hence, it is required to modernize the Railway Training Academy with modern training curriculum and facilities."

:-Md. Anwar Hossain
Rector
Railway Training Academy
Bangladesh Railway

http://www.theguardianbd.com/railway-traning-academy-an-overview/

Anyway i was just here to counter Bilal vai's denial on DEMU's corruption. Other Bangladeshi PDF members can answer this if they know more.

 

[bluesky]

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Why are you sending this kind of underdeveloped photograph showing bamboo in a steel bridge when our greatest development philosopher @UKBengali regularly forecasts a highly developed Golden Bangladesh after his RSTP completes in 2030.

He claims to be living in a developed UK but knows nothing about a developed country. A thousand RSTP is not enough to claim BD as developed.

@The Ronin

 

[bluesky]

No kidding here, i though Bd railway maintain the legacy of British to properly supported their railway systems, as when the British left South Asian, they left one of the largest and complex Railway systems in the world along with all of the support ecosystem.

India may be keeping and improving the standards set by the British Railway but not our Bangladesh, not very sure of Pakistan, though. Think of Hardinge Bridge over the river Padma (Ganges), a steel truss bridge (Pratt truss), built by the British engineers in 1916. We do not have just that kind of merit to design and construct such a bridge even 72 years after the British left the country in 1947.

Is it that we are a group of intellectual pigmies? Only by stitching the garments that we export is helping us to survive and make a little progress.

 

[Nilgiri]

Forget export to Germany or even to bankrupt countries.

They are losing ground rapidly even in their own home markets (in third tier cities).

During license raj times (seventies/eighties) these Indian brands made a killing in their captive closed economy.

Now that Indian economy is open, no one buys their product, even those assembled with foreign (Chinese) parts.

Looks like pragoti 580 number really hurt you haha.

Just like exporting fewer fridges than ivory coast.

That is what you get in the end for being WALTON stronk hahaha.

Thailand refrigerator exports, nepal bike exports, TV exports to Germany

Check cpl years later and its....zilch, zilch and more ZILCH.

Then you try to make this about Indian brands lol.

Please lets see your numbers for BD companies then....given Indian market cap is 2.1 trillion USD compared to your pathetic LDC 77 billion

Just one of our companies (TCS) is worth nearly DOUBLE in market cap then every single company of yours in total.

Understand this is why inflation keeps eating away at you where it matters (affecting real income), your export composition doesnt change, your energy conusmption stagnating now and you lot have managed to invest a grand total of 2 dollars per capita outside your country .

Saddest part about the 2 dollars per capita total? (330 million in 2017).......is that it actually DECLINED in 2018....to 310 million....when it should be growing by leaps and bounds if BD was truly actually growing.

https://unctad.org/sections/dite_dir/docs/wir2019/wir19_fs_bd_en.pdf

See what happens when you have 3rd party vetting outside BBS control?

India outward net invests nearly 30 billion in 3 years of 2015 - 2018 outside its borders. Bangladesh manages 120 million.

These 30 times less, 50 times less and 250 times less kind of ratios speak to the truth in the end. Just like the US and UK census does about what your kind earns and dwells in poverty like (Even there, with far more opportunities to make something of yourself....but sadly no BBS to make you feel better artificially).

 

[fallstuff]

Nyah!! No one is jumping too quick to blame them. BR is full of incompetent-corrupted people and rotten to core that's the truth and everyone knows it. There's plenty of reports on that. And by look at your comment, it seems like you are even trying so hard to deny it and save BR's face here. Have we forgotten about the corruption BR's eastern sector's GM committed? No!!

https://www.thedailystar.net/country/graft-2yr-jail-mridha-2-railway-staff-1397308

If BR's is not corrupted then how come our rail-tracks are being repaired with bamboo and woods? And would you listen their lame excuse? Govt spending so much money to develop BR's but this is what you get.

To prove you wrong this single recent report on ACC's probe on BR is enough. Just sharing the necessary point, you can read the rest yourself.

"ACC Commissioner Md Mozammel Haque Khan submitted the report to Railway Minister Nurul Islam Sujan at his office yesterday. The Daily Star has obtained a copy of it.

Irregularities and corruption come during the purchase of wagons, coaches, locomotives and diesel electric multiple units (DMUs); construction of double lines and single line duel gauge tracks; and relocation and upgradation of signal systems at different sections, reads the report."

https://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/news/acc-enquiry-finds-graft-railway-1765747

Am i still jumping to quickly to blame BR? Don't think so. And did you even see the videos i shared in previous thread? The workers themselves are saying there's no workshop for these trains, they don't have training for these to repair as it's a new technology and there's no spare-parts. And we can get a clear idea how well these trains are maintained just by looking at them. And as you said there are reportedly inherent engine quality issues with these Chinese DEMU's, breakdowns were too frequent, Aircon on some units never worked.

Now questions should be asked if these DEMUs were unable handle the passenger load, if they have multiple technical issues and if BR couldn't secure any maintenance contract from Chinese during the procurement or within this six years and train it's personal to maintain and repair these trains, why did they still bought these trains and why did they still propose to purchase it again??!! Did BR run any feasibility test or inspection on Chinese DEMUs before or after the procurement? If no, why didn't they and if yes, then why didn't they find out any problem on these trains then?

The answer is simple in my opinion. BR's officials are both fucking incompetent and corrupted!! Now if you still think BR is ধোয়া তুলসী পাতা and they have nothing to do with DEMU's corruption or any problems then you are living in a illusion, good luck with that.




Yes!! Yes!! They are running perfectly!! I can clearly see that in these videos!! Old broken craps, brakes are tied with GI wire. suspension spring is broken. Somehow still running but not with actual performance it was supposed to give. Keep shutting down in the middle of journey. The coaches get refurbished every year before Eid. These 60 years old only works somehow because they are old and analogue, BR's workshop has experiences of years of working on them to patch, wield and repair them somehow with whatever they find locally. You can't do the same with new teach like DEMU or any new train without proper logistic support.

Another interesting report why our maintenance is poor.

And rigorous schedules my ***!! Trains often depart at least half and hour later than original schedules and it gets worse in Eid. I don't think i need to share anything on that here to prove that, do i?




I didn't read other's threads that much but you are the only one here i guess blaming the Chinese only. And from the look at your reply it seems you are not even sure what's reason behind it. You are denying and admitting the facts at the same time.

Money is allocated for repair and maintenance , that money never makes it to the brakes repair, but ends up in the pockets of corrupted individuals.The car brakes down again, and the vicious cycle continues.

 

[Bilal9]

Now that vivo and oppo plan to open their factories in Bangladesh. Lets see how well walton (haha) copes in its home country.

Vivo and Oppo will ASSEMBLE phones from sub-assemblies imported by paying DUTY.

Walton MANUFACTURES its phones from SCRATCH (SMD component level) and enjoys price advantages from this, by duty saved.

It can sell its phones at far lower prices than Vivo and Oppo.

If you don't understand these basic things, it is better not to talk.

 

[Arthur]

From what I heard from a engineer, the electrical system on the DEMU's are way way critical than legacy locos in BR service.

Railway personnel can carry out routine maintainance but they don't have the necessary facilities or equipments to carry out heavy maintainance & overhauling.

The purchase deal was a bad one, no doubt just to do some corruption.